IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[looking4OPH]

Good to see the reporters actually pushing Filenko with questions. Too bad he comes off arrogant in every 3rd answer and pats himself on the back for releasing information now. Back to Filenko as chief and Covelli as assistant.

Some notes:
o Don't know about FL PD roll call attendance/time period - Seems key to the timeline and where he may have/should have been located. Why doesn't he ask/know?
o Lt G in the area/on foot for 20 min
o 1 shot right side lower ribs
o 2nd shot upper left
o Both shots fired by Lt G's weapon
o Daily there are around a dozen authorities working the case(?)
o Re: suicide; hope to give public sense of transparency, give w/out revealing compromise
o In several instances, he doesn't know timeline when asked - If he is an ongoing investigator (is he?), shouldn't the timeline be familiar and top of mind?
o $50k reward now, FBI will put up more, they will decide if they raise it soon - Seems odd
o Filenko has talked to Mrs. G, lots of Qs that she knows can't ask, married to Police Officer
o You've gotten more information recently than in last several weeks
o Covelli: Lt G not in part of internal department investigation, no reason to question him
o Motive Q, still working on victimology, no motive at this point
o Generally, this is the type of result they get from GSR
o Still some ballistic projectile analysis downstate at state lab, not in a holding pattern or not releasing
o Unique to find 9 samples? Samples on reporter now from others around you
o One shot entered, one was an impact
o Wrapped abruptly during a question at 10:24

BBM as my thoughts

 

[TheDuchess]

I'm going to rant a little bit here. And it isn't to anyone specific. But it seems as though Filenko is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

The investigation is taking too long. The investigation is too speedy and unfair because they are pushing through things faster than a "regular" victim.

They aren't releasing enough evidence. When they release evidence it is questioned and we want more evidence.

If he defends himself it is arrogant. If he doesn't defend himself he is a pushover.

Let the man conduct the investigation. Schools are no longer on lockdown. The public is in no imminent threat even if killers are running around loose. (There are tons of killers running around loose right now.) No money is going to be paid out to the family at this time for a line of duty death. Why the rush? Why the insistence that we know everything there is to know about an ongoing investigation? Why do we need to know everything that is a fact?

It seems to me that those in the suicide camp want this to be stopped immediately for some odd reason. It is an ongoing investigation at this time. It is a complex situation. Some suicides are simple to determine. Some are not. With a radio call in, unknown DNA, evidence of a struggle, 2 gunshots to the victim, no indication of being suicidal, no note, no known motive, it is unfair, IMO, to expect an investigation into the death of an on duty police officer to be effectively shut down resulting in a suicide determination prematurely. Why the rush? Why not be sure? And I don't want to hear there is favoritism because he is LE. As a community, we are owed a thorough investigation. We need to know that the shooting death of one of our public servants is being completely investigated.

I know there are several anti-cop sentiments out there. Fair enough. I know they aren't all saints. I know the lt wasn't a saint either. No one is perfect. But I still strongly believe that LE as an entity needs to be respected and valued in a civilized society. Because if we don't value them, we will lose them. JMO

 

[TheDuchess]

Oh...and I am going to add one more thing and it is about motive to delay or stall a finding of suicide. What is the motive? So that the family can collect a huge payout? So that they can "save face" for an "overblown" manhunt?

I wholeheartedly disagree. In fact, I don't think they have anything to feel bad about whatsoever. They did exactly what should have been expected of them to do with the information they had that day. They had what seemed to be 3 killers on the loose that shot a police officer that was by everyone who knew him an integral, well loved member of that community. Yes - they pulled out all the stops. I bet many of the resources that came in were volunteered by many different organizations. Fellow officers probably volunteered to come in and help the manhunt and several agencies likely came in to help on their own accord. But whatever the case, it was over in a day. And would have stayed that way if that crazy lady hadn't made the prank call the following day. I do not feel that even those closest to the case felt in those first few days that suicide was a likely option, and certainly not enough of an option to shut down the outpouring of grief and emotion that came forth from the community during the funeral. That was an organic reaction by the community and to me it says a lot about how happy I am to be on the blue side of line. Anti-cop people run around ranting and raving messages of hate, blocking off streets, creating pandemonium everywhere they go, burning and looting, etc... While the pro-cop people stand together, pray together, honor together in an honorable way.

And now, it is an active ongoing investigation. Let it be. It has only been one month today. These things can take time. I'd rather they get this one right.

 

[Japple]

I have read comments from others here that said backup units did hear at least one shot as they arrived.

"Responding officers said they heard a gunshot before they discovered the officer's body. "

Trained officers, called in for backup, heard a gunshot and still did not see or detect anyone fleeing the vicinity.

This was one of the early indicators of a possible suicide - for me.

There was a lot of misinformation reported in the 1st few hours of the manhunt. If the first backup units heard a gunshot, isn't it protocol to call in "shots fired"? There didn't seem to be a sense of urgency from the first backups until minutes later when they realized he couldn't be reached.

 

[Tillicum]

I will add Duchess that many who have complained that enough information hasn't been released are the same who insist this is a suicide based on this limited information. JMO

 

[liz b.]

This morning I saw a report about "9 different unknown DNA samples found at the crime scene "... what ?

 

[Cubby]

I'm going to rant a little bit here. And it isn't to anyone specific. But it seems as though Filenko is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

The investigation is taking too long. The investigation is too speedy and unfair because they are pushing through things faster than a "regular" victim.

They aren't releasing enough evidence. When they release evidence it is questioned and we want more evidence.

If he defends himself it is arrogant. If he doesn't defend himself he is a pushover.

Let the man conduct the investigation. Schools are no longer on lockdown. The public is in no imminent threat even if killers are running around loose. (There are tons of killers running around loose right now.) No money is going to be paid out to the family at this time for a line of duty death. Why the rush? Why the insistence that we know everything there is to know about an ongoing investigation? Why do we need to know everything that is a fact?

It seems to me that those in the suicide camp want this to be stopped immediately for some odd reason. It is an ongoing investigation at this time. It is a complex situation. Some suicides are simple to determine. Some are not. With a radio call in, unknown DNA, evidence of a struggle, 2 gunshots to the victim, no indication of being suicidal, no note, no known motive, it is unfair, IMO, to expect an investigation into the death of an on duty police officer to be effectively shut down resulting in a suicide determination prematurely. Why the rush? Why not be sure? And I don't want to hear there is favoritism because he is LE. As a community, we are owed a thorough investigation. We need to know that the shooting death of one of our public servants is being completely investigated.

I know there are several anti-cop sentiments out there. Fair enough. I know they aren't all saints. I know the lt wasn't a saint either. No one is perfect. But I still strongly believe that LE as an entity needs to be respected and valued in a civilized society. Because if we don't value them, we will lose them. JMO

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't thnk anyone here wants a rush to judgement. I haven't had a chance to look at anything about this presser but what is here at WS. There is some very basic information here that was not necessary to withhold for a month.

Though now we have conflicting information. Today there are signs of a struggle and a few weeks ago there was no sign of a struggle.

The task force created this speculation themselves by the pizz poor way they are releasing information.

 

[Keefer]

I will add Duchess that many who have complained that enough information hasn't been released are the same who insist this is a suicide based on this limited information. JMO

Thank you. i am not a " scientist" but I concur completely.

 

[katydid23]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't thnk anyone here wants a rush to judgement. I haven't had a chance to look at anything about this presser but what is here at WS. There is some very basic information here that was not necessary to withhold for a month.

Though now we have conflicting information. Today there are signs of a struggle and a few weeks ago there was no sign of a struggle.

The task force created this speculation themselves by the pizz poor way they are releasing information.

I think some of the confusion can be attributed to poor reporting, imo.

 

[TheDuchess]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't thnk anyone here wants a rush to judgement. I haven't had a chance to look at anything about this presser but what is here at WS. There is some very basic information here that was not necessary to withhold for a month.

Though now we have conflicting information. Today there are signs of a struggle and a few weeks ago there was no sign of a struggle.

The task force created this speculation themselves by the pizz poor way they are releasing information.

BBM-I completely disagree with all of these statements. That is my opinion.

 

[Tillicum]

I think some of the confusion can be attributed to poor reporting, imo.

And possibly those unknown, unnamed "sources".

 

[Keefer]

Yeah, I agree " some" of the " confusion" was due to bad reporting. Some other stuff I ain't sure about.

 

[longlonglake]

Do police officers ever have 2 service weapons? That they use on a rotating basis. Would one be left at home in that case?

If so, who would know about where it was kept?

 

[tcer114]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't thnk anyone here wants a rush to judgement. I haven't had a chance to look at anything about this presser but what is here at WS. There is some very basic information here that was not necessary to withhold for a month.

Though now we have conflicting information. Today there are signs of a struggle and a few weeks ago there was no sign of a struggle.

The task force created this speculation themselves by the pizz poor way they are releasing information.

The statement made regarding no sign of a struggle came from unnamed sources. Again, good reason to take statements from unnamed sources with a grain of salt.

 

[fraudqueen]

Do police officers ever have 2 service weapons? That they use on a rotating basis. Would one be left at home in that case?

If so, who would know about where it was kept?

Only one service weapon. However many officers carry a second personal weapon on them .....ankle holster, gun hidden in special wallet...etc.etc.

 

[fraudqueen]

Has it been mentioned anywhere what his days off that week were?

 

[Cubby]

I think some of the confusion can be attributed to poor reporting, imo.

I only give poor reporting the first few days after an incident occurs. I don't have time to go look back now but some of the misinformation/conflicting infkrmation came out more than a week after the shooting occured.

In general, as for this being being a pro suicide or anti suicide, or pro LE or anti LE camp, jt is unfair to lump people into either category. I consider myself in the pro TRUTH camp, whatever that truth may be on a CASE BY CASE basis.

 

[Japple]

The reporters really need to learn how ask questions at a press conference. This last one is no different than the ones before. After giving them limited information, and telling them that's all he can say, he's asked the same question 2 more times. You can see Filenko getting frustrated.

There was a lot of media about the 3 men on video, but I've not heard 1 question about the 2 that were in the nearby treatment plant minutes after the LT was found. Were they located, questioned, and cleared?

 

[Cubby]

The reporters really need to learn how ask questions at a press conference. This last one is no different than the ones before. After giving them limited information, and telling them that's all he can say, he's asked the same question 2 more times. You can see Filenko getting frustrated.

There was a lot of media about the 3 men on video, but I've not heard 1 question about the 2 that were in the nearby treatment plant minutes after the LT was found. Were they located, questioned, and cleared?

What two guys are you talking about?

 

[longlonglake]

Only one service weapon. However many officers carry a second personal weapon on them .....ankle holster, gun hidden in special wallet...etc.etc.

So the one service weapon would probably have the serial number registered with the police? So another could not have been brought to the scene and switched with CG's? I know this is far-fetched.

To make it look like he had killed himself with his own gun. (Keep in mind I am a total amateur at this).