IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[night train]

The subject of illness was tossed around earlier.

Men slim down when they're involved with a new woman - just say'n.

Men slim down sometimes when facing midlife crisis and thoughts surrounding that concept.

Men slim down if they stop drinking but were heavy drinkers before doing so.

What else? Men don't agonize as much as women do when or if they resemble Santa Clause - jimo!
In other words, vanity isn't usually the sole reason for weight loss imo.
Threats to health may be enough of a reason though if, for example, high blood pressure becomes an issue.

Lt.Gliniewicz participated in organized running/endurance events,apparently seriously enough that he sometimes traveled to participate in events in other states.

I've done this as well on and off throughout my life,depending on the actual event there is an optimal balance between strength/muscle and overall body weight.Depending on the event,excess weight is dead weight and becomes more relevant with distance.Look at the build of a quarter miler versus a marathon runner.

Grab even a small 10 Lb weight and imagine carrying that for a few miles versus leaving it at home.

 

[tcer114]

Doesn't it make sense that - had the arriving officers had smelled the pepper spray and realized that it had been deployed. . . they would have radioed that in? Rather than reporting that it was missing or taken?

I don't think they would have radioed stating the pepper spray was deployed. And again, maybe it was.....maybe that is part of the evidence they have to support a struggle.

 

[Chuz Life]

Doesn't it make sense that - had the arriving officers had smelled the pepper spray and realized that it had been deployed. . . they would have radioed that in? Rather than reporting that it was missing or taken?

I don't think they would have radioed stating the pepper spray was deployed. And again, maybe it was.....maybe that is part of the evidence they have to support a struggle.

We can't know what we can't know. So, we can only speculate about some of these things until more evidence is brought forward.

What we do know is that the pepper spray was first reported as missing / taken before it was later accounted for.

That being the case, I have no reason to believe that the use of the pepper spray wouldn't also have been reported at that time - had the arriving officers been able to smell it and know that it had been deployed.

I also believe that is something that would have already been shared with or leaked to the MSM if it had in fact been deployed.

 

[Keefer]

I don't think they would have radioed stating the pepper spray was deployed. And again, maybe it was.....maybe that is part of the evidence they have to support a struggle.

I thought it meant his pepper spray and gun were missing. If they could see the pepper spray was not on his belt, they would figure the perp took it. If they didn't roll him over for cpr they would not have noticed the gun underneath him and presume it was taken too?
Was cpr performed by the officers that found him? Pulse checked, breathing?
Maybe the perps took the spray and doused their shoes like some think, step in some critters scat, cover any exposed body parts and run away?

 

[Keefer]

Lt.Gliniewicz participated in organized running/endurance events,apparently seriously enough that he sometimes traveled to participate in events in other states.

I've done this as well on and off throughout my life,depending on the actual event there is an optimal balance between strength/muscle and overall body weight.Depending on the event,excess weight is dead weight and becomes more relevant with distance.Look at the build of a quarter miler versus a marathon runner.

Grab even a small 10 Lb weight and imagine carrying that for a few miles versus leaving it at home.

Yeah, but as you get older that weight is harder to take off. 20 lbs is a lot of weight to lose, do you know his height and weight?

 

[Chuz Life]

. . . Maybe the perps took the spray and doused their shoes like some think, step in some critters scat, cover any exposed body parts and run away?

Again, according to LE (Filenko) the pepper spray was later found and accounted for.

 

[Cubby]

There were a few comments about the weight loss. He wasn't happy about it. Don't body builders want their weight (and muscle) to increase?

The "vest" he was talking about I took to mean the bulletproof vest. I have no idea what it means, but it did seem unusual that he would drive all the way to Chicago to have it altered.

Am I allowed to post the pictures I have researched online if they are of him, his family and Facebook? They are easily available on the Internet.

Here is a link to the social media/fb rules.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Facebook-Twitter-etc&p=12080508#post12080508

 

[Japple]

About the manhunt ending after 14 hours, and that statement being used to speculate suicide. The perimiter that was established early in the day was cleared, and the excess personel that were brought in to search that area were sent away. Why would they keep 400 officers around to keep searching? It was obvious at that time that whoever was in that area was now gone. Filenco even said they aknowledged there was enough time to flee the area before the perimiter was established.

How does this even remotely point to suicide? When their part was done, they were done and were sent back to regular duty. Should 400 cops hang around doing nothing but holding their guns?

Can anyone show a direct quote from someone on the taskforce saying the manhunt has been called off?

 

[Chuz Life]

About the manhunt ending after 14 hours, and that statement being used to speculate suicide. The perimiter that was established early in the day was cleared, and the excess personel that were brought in to search that area were sent away. Why would they keep 400 officers around to keep searching? It was obvious at that time that whoever was in that area was now gone. Filenco even said they aknowledged there was enough time to flee the area before the perimiter was established.

How does this even remotely point to suicide? When their part was done, they were done and were sent back to regular duty. Should 400 cops hang around doing nothing but holding their guns?

Can anyone show a direct quote from someone on the taskforce saying the manhunt has been called off?

Have you compared this manhunt to any others?

I can think of several that were expanded when it because apparent that the suspects were not within the secured area. Of course, in those cases, LE had real evidence that the suspects were actually there to begin with.

In fact, even this manhunt was temporarily expanded too - when a woman filed a false report and LE actually thought they had a lead.

The fact that this manhunt died so much faster than others is (to me) indicative of a lack of any real evidence to show that the Lt was not there alone when he was shot and killed.

 

[Japple]

has the manhunt ended? aside from headlines from the press saying so? th manhunt is still on. just that unnecessay personel is not involved

 

[night train]

Yeah, but as you get older that weight is harder to take off. 20 lbs is a lot of weight to lose, do you know his height and weight?

Ain't that the truth.No,sorry I don't know,but he appears as I'd expect from a suburban family man/into endurance athlete lifestyle.

I get the sense that except for smoking cigarettes,he was an all in kind of character.

 

[Chuz Life]

has the manhunt ended? aside from headlines from the press saying so? th manhunt is still on. just that unnecessay personel is not involved

A manhunt for who?

According to reports like this one, LE is calling the three individuals "persons of interest" and they are not even considered to be suspects anymore.

"Two weeks after Gliniewicz was found dead, authorities tell the I-Team that they are still searching for those three men, but now call them "persons of interest," not suspects."

http://abc7chicago.com/news/3-fox-lake-suspects-now-persons-of-interest/984475/

 

[tcer114]

About the manhunt ending after 14 hours, and that statement being used to speculate suicide. The perimiter that was established early in the day was cleared, and the excess personel that were brought in to search that area were sent away. Why would they keep 400 officers around to keep searching? It was obvious at that time that whoever was in that area was now gone. Filenco even said they aknowledged there was enough time to flee the area before the perimiter was established.

How does this even remotely point to suicide? When their part was done, they were done and were sent back to regular duty. Should 400 cops hang around doing nothing but holding their guns?

Can anyone show a direct quote from someone on the taskforce saying the manhunt has been called off?

Calling off a 14 hour manhunt doesn't point to suicide. You are correct, they cleared the area. While they had hoped to move quick enough to catch them, the area they were searching wasn't that big and if they made it out of the swamp, continuing the intensive manhunt was not worthwhile. Doesn't mean they aren't looking for someone. They just don't need 400 LE. What bothers me are people screaming about the cost of the manhunt butif they hadn't done that, they would have been called out for endangering the public for not trying to catch the perps right away.

 

[cady]

Has anyone seen a recent photo of CG? He sure didn't need to lose weight, as far as I can tell. All pics that I have seen are where he is in trim condition. 20lbs is a lot of weight to lose for someone in his shape.. Weird. JMO

 

[Cubby]

Calling off a 14 hour manhunt doesn't point to suicide. You are correct, they cleared the area. While they had hoped to move quick enough to catch them, the area they were searching wasn't that big and if they made it out of the swamp, continuing the intensive manhunt was not worthwhile. Doesn't mean they aren't looking for someone. They just don't need 400 LE. What bothers me are people screaming about the cost of the manhunt butif they hadn't done that, they would have been called out for endangering the public for not trying to catch the perps right away.

I think what people are upset about is the cost of the manhunt if this does turn out to be suicide. That manhunt would then have been caused by a lie and a very very costly lie for a state with a budget crisis. And it was a known lie, knowing the lie would create a huge manhunt. When a civilian files a false report that costs tens of thousands of dollars or more there is a possibility that civilian can be held responsible for the costs. Who's gonna pay for this if it turns out to be a lie?

 

[cady]

sun-times editorial from yesterday is calling for FBI to solve this. JMO

 

[Cubby]

sun-times editorial from yesterday is calling for FBI to solve this. JMO

http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/7/71/1007740/editorial-call-fbi-solve-case-slain-fox-lake-cop

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I couldn't figure out how to reply to the previous posts because this new thread was started so please forgive my paraphrasing. I have a couple thoughts.

Regarding the fact that neither LE or the family is using the press to encourage the suspects to turn themselves in, there was a statement that claimed such efforts would be futile because if the suspects were going to do this, they would have done so long ago. I strongly disagree. Past cases have proven that as time goes on, there is often a change of heart as the suspect is unable to deal with the guilt. In cases with 3 suspects such as this case, the chance that 1 will talk to LE or tell someone else what happened is 3 times as likely. The reported facts of this case point to there being only 1 shooter. Therefore, the other 2 suspects have a strong incentive to come forward and strike a deal in exchange for their testimony. These 3 suspects, who were unsophisticated enough to allow themselves to be seen acting suspiciously by a passing officer, not have their own guns (my assumption), and not have a more secure meeting place, are unlikely to be high level crime bosses or disciplined, trained, secretive assassins with an unbreakable code of silence.

For any of this to even be possible we also must first believe that a crime was taking place which was significant enough to warrant the murder of a police officer. Yet none of them has a gun (or discharged it if they did have one)? No evidence of money or drugs being exchanged - this would have been hit on by the dogs and then carried away by the fleeing suspects. What type of serious criminal act occurs in a public place like this, with the "suspicious" behavior taking place within view of everyone, including a police officer driving by? The 3 suspects reportedly ran away. If there was only 1 officer, why stop? He could only possibly catch 1 person. You don't have a gun but you are willing to gamble that you can get the officers gun away from him? How did the 3 regroup out of sight, instantly make this decision, formulate an ambush plan and then execute it perfectly? If your crime is so severe that you must kill rather than continue running away or stopping to face this officer, why aren't you worried about leaving evidence/DNA during your struggle to take his gun? Why leave his gun with potential DNA & fingerprints? Why go to an area so far away from your possible get away car?

If LE has a significant evidence which they have claimed throughout this case, releasing this evidence can only increase the pressure on the suspects by demonstrating that they are closing in on them. They will ALWAYS have insignificant details that they can use to confirm statements or claims made by a suspect if needed. Did LE ever explain why the recently released information was held for so long or how it could have possibly threatened or undermined their entire investigation? They have confirmed all of the limited and vaugue information that Dr Rudd had previously released which they claimed was so reckless and damaging, so why the change of heart?

I also understand the perspective of the family being hurt by the thought of suicide but I think that Dr Rudd's comment regarding suicide was taken out of context and was also sensationalized by the media. Dr Rudd only stated the obvious, that the method of death has not been determined because he is waiting for evidence and that any of the 4 potential classifications were possible; homocide, suicide, accidental, or undetermined. The LE investigators have since confirmed this exact same thing several times.

Sorry for the long post and multiple topics.

If there is one thing I think we have learned by belonging to crime message boards it is we cannot apply our own rational thoughts of 'WHY?' and make them the thoughts of the murderers. It just isn't doable even though in every case the 'why would he/she do this?' comes out quite often. If they actually applied rational thoughts then maybe there would be less murders done or other violent crimes. It makes no rational sense that a pedophile will kidnap a small innocent child right off a busy street in broad daylight but they do. Just like women have been kidnapped on a busy street or from their home and are raped and later found murdered. Whatever was in the mind of the offender was enough for them to take the risk as they continue to do time and time again. Many crimes like this does happen in a public area although these three were in the woods when the officer was killed and out of view of any other.

Unfortunately the murder of this officer doesn't have to be for a substantial reason. People kill for all sorts of reasons even very mind boggling trivial ones.

Why would they use their own gun which they know could possibly be traced back to them? If they overcame him they would make sure they took his gun away from him leaving him defenseless and would use that gun to shoot him, imo. I have read articles where someone was stopped by LE for a minor traffic violation who was on probation/parole and may have had outstanding warrants who killed the officer for no other reason than they didn't want to return to prison.

There is no rhyme or reasoning to any murders and why and in what manner they do them. That is why profilers state you cant put your own sane thoughts into the equation but must learn to think like the murderer/s themselves. Leave me out because I never want to understand these scums. It takes the profilers many years to master that because as human beings who aren't murderers or violent criminals we all want to rationalize things and that is why the influx of "WHY would he/she........?" comes forth in just about every case. In other words we tend to think 'why would they be so stupid or reckless or take such chances?' etc but in the end all we know when they are convicted they were that stupid/reckless and did take those high risks. Sometime they get lucky. About 37 percent of murders are never solved. It has nothing to do with the murderers being intelligent enough to get away with murder and more about being lucky by not linking themselves to the crime. When we see unsolved cases solved decades later it is very obvious that most of the murderers certainly weren't of high intelligence at all. Many of them had low intelligence. I have always said murderers feed on high risks and continue to believe that.

Even though there may have been only one shooter (although we really don't know that) more than one could have taken him down when overpowering him. Legally under the law all three are equally guilty if the LT was murdered and it will not matter which one pulled the trigger. If caught they all will be charged with the same offenses.

I respectfully disagree. These three have no incentive to come forward. At this time no one knows who they are so why would they admit they were a part of it knowing they would be as guilty as the others? It is more of an incentive for them to remain quiet and lay low hoping LE cant ID the unknown DNA found at the scene. I am not sure who you are referring to when you say they have come forward out of guilt. It is extremely rare for a murderer to come forward and if it is done they are usually terminally ill and/or it decades later after they committed the murder. Now what usually happens is many years later someone who knew one of the suspects will come forward and tell what they know. But it is usually many years after the murder has occurred and a lot of times it is after the suspect has been in prison for another crime and no longer does the witness feel fearful and unsafe. What occasionally happens is one of the suspects is picked up for another crime and tries to swing a deal if he/she rolls over on the other one/s. At this time I don't think any of the ones involved are going to freely step forward.


Most all law enforcement agency doesn't release their evidence to the public in the media so this agency isn't any different than most.


IMO

 

[Keefer]

A hardened criminals code is pretty simple; do your job, don't snitch, if you owe someone a favor you better repay it, don't lie, don't screw up another guys score or cause him to get caught. Criminals are actually quite logical.
Successful criminals have a methodology. Tricks of the trade. What might seem simple to us might be risky to them, what might seem risky to us might not be seen that way by them. Good criminals tend to specialize.
I base this on having known a few, and reviewing a few cases. Jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think what people are upset about is the cost of the manhunt if this does turn out to be suicide. That manhunt would then have been caused by a lie and a very very costly lie for a state with a budget crisis. And it was a known lie, knowing the lie would create a huge manhunt. When a civilian files a false report that costs tens of thousands of dollars or more there is a possibility that civilian can be held responsible for the costs. Who's gonna pay for this if it turns out to be a lie?

You mean people are already upset before even knowing what caused the LTs death?