IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[cady]

Would be news to me. Where did you see this?

I think Japple posted a photo of a reward sign that said $100,000....I tried to find out who the other donor is besides Motorola, but no luck. I don't think it is FBI. JMO It would be in last thread on Thursday late afternoon. NOPE! it was The Duchess' post #852 thread 3.

 

[tcer114]

I think Japple posted a photo of a reward sign that said $100,000....I tried to find out who the other donor is besides Motorola, but no luck. I don't think it is FBI. JMO It would be in last thread on Thursday late afternoon.

It might have been Duchess. I think there was talk in the last thread about the FBI adding to the reward but I don't know if that's who upped the reward.

 

[looking4OPH]

I think Japple posted a photo of a reward sign that said $100,000....I tried to find out who the other donor is besides Motorola, but no luck. I don't think it is FBI. JMO It would be in last thread on Thursday late afternoon.

Motorola put up $50,000.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/7...ned-50000-reward-offered-fox-lake-cop-killing
Only sign I'm aware of in Fox Lake doesn't have an amount on it.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=683632191768301

 

[cady]

It might have been Duchess. I think there was talk in the last thread about the FBI adding to the reward but I don't know if that's who upped the reward.

YUP TD thread #3 #852

 

[cady]

It might have been Duchess. I think there was talk in the last thread about the FBI adding to the reward but I don't know if that's who upped the reward.

I recall Filenko saying that FBI would be adding to it, but that was thurs morning and the photo of the reward poster was taken around 6pm. If it was FBI,it was mighty quick! JMO

 

[TheDuchess]

Here is the photo taken on Thursday night. It is on a lot right next door to the FLPD.


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[Japple]

There is a reward fund being run by locals. Maybe they included that with the motorola 50k.

 

[TheDuchess]

There is a reward fund being run by locals. Maybe they included that with the motorola 50k.

There is a reward fund for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the three suspects. There is no way to contribute online or over the phone. But you can mail a paper check. Here is the info:
Payable to: Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz Reward Fund
State Bank of the Lakes
440 Lake Street
Antioch, IL 60002
Attention: Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz Reward Fund

Got this from the FB memorial site for Joe


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[Japple]

This guy alone put up 25k
http://globenewswire.com/news-relea...onviction-In-Officer-Gliniewicz-Shooting.html

 

[Keefer]

I'm just waiting for Robin Flicker to show up.

 

[Chuz Life]

No contradiction. The dynamics at play between the task force and Rudd are an old game.

Their game playing is fast getting old.

Rudd only spoke to the media because he wasn't being given any information and was not included in the initial meeting with the ME.

I won't speculate about that - but he could have made the point that LE wasn't sharing enough information without the need to make suggestions about any possible finding.

Couldn't he?

He spoke out to get back at the task force.

See above.

The task force must have presented enough to Rudd when they finally had their meeting to keep investigating as a homicide.

Perhaps so. However, they clearly didn't present enough of that evidence for Rudd or even for themselves to rule out the possibility of suicide. Which has been my point all along. It would take very little evidence for LE to take suicide out of consideration and they have not done so. That is very telling.

At the same time, Rudd must have made it clear what they were presenting to him wasn't enough to call it homicide yet.

That is also the point that I have been trying to make here.

We all know they are working on it but there is information they have that we don't which must continue to support homicide or the meeting between the task force and Rudd would not have gone as well as it did.

We can only speculate about that.

And no, they will only share what they have to with Rudd because they dont trust him.

If that's true, then LE has no clue on how to use the media to get the facts and the truth 'out there.'

The whole investigation will break down if they continue with the backbiting. I've seen it happen with this coroner and the task force before.

Were they under the microscope before as they are now?

LE wants him out of office so they will also hang on to his comment of suicide and then do all they can to prove homicide and make Rudd look bad to prevent his reelection.

It would take very little evidence to support the claim that this was a homicide and not a suicide. If LE has enough evidence to do that, they could have already taken suicide off the table and without compromising their investigation. Instead, we know that they have announced that they have yet to rule it out - even for themselves.

There are a lot more politics involved than anyone realizes.

Oh I don't have any doubts about that at all.

What I have doubts about is that there is anything in the findings of either side to authenticate the (desired) notions that this could be anything other than a suicide.

 

[longlonglake]

Coroner's Inquest.... An excellent idea, but will they do it? Who has the authority to bring it about?

 

[cady]

Coroner's Inquest.... An excellent idea, but will they do it? Who has the authority to bring it about?

I think that the County Coroner has the authority, unless Lake County has recently eliminated that authority. JMO

 

[Walker007]

I have been working on putting together some of the information from day one. Working backwards. In any case, as I continue to compile up my thoughts. I wanted to throw a few things out there that have jumped out in my mind in the process.

1) Filenko stated the area being marshy in which he was found. I have been thinking about the whole scenario outside of what is known and easy to know. It is quite possible the LT. could have tripped and fallen on his own accord. Think of areas that are not concrete and flat. Trekking through the woods and as simple as one's own backyard could have uneven ground, holes, dips, lumps etc... One of my boys is extremely athletic, beyond the norm... anyway, we had practice on a field that was lumpy and for him who is extremely well balanced, rolled his ankle.. which affected his knee. I think some envision this GI. Joe and how could someone overpower him because he was so physically fit and well trained? Tripping and falling could explain that perhaps given whatever unknown persons an advantage. Which could explain the trajectory of the shots.

2) Lt. G wore glasses. If his glasses were somehow knocked off, could this also lead credence in somehow affecting his ability in this unknown circumstance? Could this play into the struggle?

3) Work backwards. Pepper spray was reported missing. Was this used against the LT in some manner? Is this the struggle? Just because LE states this is incorrect, does not make it so, it just so happens this info was sent over the scanner and might for a good reason be information they don't want out there. Was there some evidence that some form of pepper spray was used upon discovery of the LT?

4) One officer was dispatched for backup. Where did the additional two officers come from? Go read over the scanner thread carefully and re-listen to the audio. It's interesting and not something I had done in this much detail prior. While some speculated Lt. G voice sounded strained, I actually interpreted quite the opposite in comparison to another.

 

[Chuz Life]

3) Work backwards. Pepper spray was reported missing. Was this used against the LT in some manner? Is this the struggle? Just because LE states this is incorrect, does not make it so, it just so happens this info was sent over the scanner and might for a good reason be information they don't want out there. Was there some evidence that some form of pepper spray was used upon discovery of the LT?

Your comment made me curious about the reports and the pepper spray. So, I did a quick search and found this.

"While it was initially reported that Gliniewicz was found stripped of his gun, and possibly his pepper spray and police radio, Filenko said Gliniewicz’s gun had been “recovered” and didn’t believe there was now any equipment missing from the scene."

 

[cady]

Pepper spray would have been detectable on his skin or clothing. Glasses could have been knocked off with the kill shot. JMO When he fell forward.

 

[Chuz Life]

Pepper spray would have been detectable on his skin or clothing. Glasses could have been knocked off with the kill shot. JMO When he fell forward.

It was reported by LE that the Lt.s glasses were found "intact" and on the scene. I think that for as much as they want this to be anything other than a suicide - if the glasses were found in any condition that might have indicated that there was a struggle? They would have been eager to report it as such.

I too would like to know the details about where they were actually found but it doesn't look (to me) like the location and condition of the Lt's glasses has shed any new light on the case.

 

[night train]

Back to Lt.Gliniewicz's eyeglasses

It's not unusual to see eyeglass frames made of titanium-based alloy
that snap back to shape after twisting or bending,especially the rimless type style the Lieutenant seemed to be wearing in recent pictures.

"Intact" is one thing......I'd still like to know exactly where they were found.

As Chuz Life said,you'd think that if his glasses were found anywhere other than on his face they'd have mentioned it,but with this crew,who knows?

FWIW...Musician Buddy Holly's iconic glasses held up pretty well during his fatal plane crash:

 

[cady]

Yeah, who knows, is right. Maybe they were in the cruiser. JMO Were they reading glasses? Who knows? JMO

 

[Chuz Life]

@NightTrain

I have a lot of criticism for this crew, myself. However, it's obvious that they really would rather this be a homicide and not a suicide. That's why I believe that they would have been all over the glasses being an indication of one over the other if they could have made that case.