IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[i.b.nora]

News
Tab for Fox Lake investigation tops $300,000: report

WRITTEN BY SUN-TIMES STAFF POSTED: 10/07/2015, 02:26PM

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/1019133/fox-lake-cop-investigation-cost

The ongoing investigation into the shooting death of Fox Lake police Lt. Charles Gliniewicz has cost law enforcement agencies more than $300,000.

Almost two-thirds of the cost was related to overtime, according to a Daily Herald analysis of personnel records from 50 police agencies in northern Illinois. The records covered the first three weeks of September.​

 

[Montjoy]

$300K? Wow. I'll bet the actual cost is even higher, with all of the DNA testing, helicopter time, etc.

 

[cady]

News
Tab for Fox Lake investigation tops $300,000: report

WRITTEN BY SUN-TIMES STAFF POSTED: 10/07/2015, 02:26PM

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/1019133/fox-lake-cop-investigation-cost

The ongoing investigation into the shooting death of Fox Lake police Lt. Charles Gliniewicz has cost law enforcement agencies more than $300,000.

Almost two-thirds of the cost was related to overtime, according to a Daily Herald analysis of personnel records from 50 police agencies in northern Illinois. The records covered the first three weeks of September.​

I think that that is a fraction of the actual costs, but I don't have documents to prove it. JMO

 

[vestigare]

$300K? Wow. I'll bet the actual cost is even higher, with all of the DNA testing, helicopter time, etc.

Nor does it cover fuel, other commodities, workman's comp claims as results of the manhunt, or any of the federal LE costs.
Tip of the ice berg....

 

[cady]

I'm curious about this Explorers Club problem. What was going on with it prior to CG's plans to retire, such that he spent a lengthy amount of time discussing it's fate with the Mayor, the day before he died? JMO

 

[vestigare]

Illinois faces $9 billion annual deficit and $159 billion in IOUs

The report, Apocalypse Now? The Consequences of Pay-Later Budgeting in Illinois, examines what it would take to balance the budget. The options are limited.

Bringing back the 2011 tax increase would close only about one-half of the gap projected for the next several years.
The problem cannot be solved with spending cuts alone. Because Illinois can’t cut debt service or pension payments, it would take at least a 20 percent cut of all remaining spending to eliminate the deficit. This includes education, corrections, Medicaid, public safety, transportation, and more.
Economic growth is also not a cure-all: an increase in the growth rate of personal income by an extra one-half percent every year for 10 years (an optimistic scenario) would only have a modest effect on the deficit.

The report concludes: “Changes in awareness, expectations, and policy are needed to restore fiscal balance in Illinois. Being saddled with paying past years’ bills means that today, Illinoisans must reduce their expectations for the services that they can expect from government and be prepared to pay more for government, now and in the future.”

https://igpa.uillinois.edu/content/illinois-faces-9-billion-annual-deficit-and-159-billion-ious

 

[vestigare]

I'm curious about this Explorers Club problem. What was going on with it prior to CG's plans to retire, such that he spent a lengthy amount of time discussing it's fate with the Mayor, the day before he died? JMO

Good Question.
I understand he would not be allowed to be the lead advisor or whatever it is called because he was leaving the Fox Lake PD but he still should have been able to be an advisor because they already have several non-leo advisors including his wife.
So was his wife also not going to be part of it after he retired?
What was the big discussion about? Surely they have someone already waiting in line to take the lead advisor role should Joe have not be able to fulfill his role and surely he knew that person and even probably worked with him previously. Why the big concern that the new guy will change everything and it will be the end of the program if he gets the helm? Change is inevitable when a new person comes on board.

It just makes me wonder was there something going on that meant he couldn't even be part of the group after retirement. Like some sort of shake up where he wasn't welcome or some sort of politics or investigation?

 

[vestigare]

If you watch the latest press conference a reporter asks if Gliniewicz was questioned regarding the investigation of Behan and they answer "He wasn't part of that investigation."
The reporter asks again if he Questioned?regarding the investigation. Again he answers that no he wasn't part of the investigation; finally the reporter gets his point across that he wants to know if he was even questioned about the investigation not if he was part of the investigation. To this they answer that he was not questioned as part of that investigation as far as they know.

Things that make you wonder why they are so cagey about answering questions regarding the word investigation.

 

[cady]

Could he have been a "person of interest" where he was not questioned, but those who were, were questioned about him? JMO

 

[vestigare]

Could he have been a "person of interest" where he was not questioned, but those who were, were questioned about him? JMO

I can't imagine he escaped being questioned or being a target of questioning regarding the feds investigation of the corruption around there. That isn't news.

I can see he would not necessarily be part of the Behan investigation regarding the drunk or whatever but this is really all very curious...

 

[katydid23]

Could he have been a "person of interest" where he was not questioned, but those who were, were questioned about him? JMO

Why would they not question him if he were the person of interest or the target of the investigation?

 

[vestigare]

Why would they not question him if he were the person of interest or the target of the investigation?

Um.... because they don't want you to know you are being investigated.....

 

[katydid23]

Um.... because they don't want you to know you are being investigated.....

So even though the officials have said publicly,several times, that the Lt was NOT a part of the internal investigation, you all are speculating that he was the target of it and was no longer welcome around the kids he mentored for years.

 

[cady]

Why would they not question him if he were the person of interest or the target of the investigation?

I do not know the answer to that, nor do I presume to. JMO

 

[vestigare]

So even though the officials have said publicly,several times, that the Lt was NOT a part of the internal investigation, you all are speculating that he was the target of it and was no longer welcome around the kids he mentored for years.

I am not speculating that.
There are TWO investigations that WE KNOW are happening regarding FLPD.
One involves Ex Chief Behan and the other officer who did something to some drunk. That was what the press conference questions were about.
Joe is NOT involved in that investigation nor would I think he should be as he was not a desk sergeant nor was he present the day that happened.
There is another investigation regarding the govt of the town and some such. I don't know the entire details and neither does any else as it is an ongoing investigation coming from the federal level and stemming from all the problems that area has been having for years.
I have every reason to believe that Gliniewiecz being a 30 year veteran of the town PD would be investigated in some fashion regarding that.
I have no way to know if he has been questioned or not but most likely would have been at some point.
I also have no way of knowing what if anything this investigation has uncovered on ANYONE in that town or county.
But that doesn't mean there isn't rumors and that doesn't mean JOe and other people aren't worried.

We also have no idea what inside politics could be at play for why he might or might not have been wanted on the program after his retirement.
Sometimes the new guy doesn't want the old guy hanging around even in a volunteer capacity. It could be as simple as that.

 

[DexterMorgan]

If he shot himself from a trickery angle. I wonder if the gun would have left a cut mark on his hand? Automatic weapons can do that sometimes when the weapon isn't held properly. So a side angle shot could have caused a cut if he shot himself.

 

[cady]

It just feels a bit unfair to speculate , about a victim, that he was in fact the target of an internal investigation, when the officials have said several times that he was not involved. I hate to think we were piling on. JMO

I do not speculate about actual proven FACTS. I have no assurance that he was a "person of interest". I AM speculating that PERHAPS he may have been. Is that clear enough, so that we may continue to discuss this as outsiders looking in? No one here knows anything for certain. If we cannot discuss like adults then perhaps we should not discuss at all. If we care to argue about every little thing that we disagree with instead of just going back to the issue, which is the mysterious death of CG, then just read what MSM purports to be the truth down the road. JMO

 

[vestigare]

If he shot himself from a trickery angle. I wonder if the gun would have left a cut mark on his hand? Automatic weapons can do that sometimes when the weapon isn't held properly. So a side angle shot could have caused a cut if he shot himself.

They should have some prints lifted from the last person to touch that gun. Even smeared they can usually tell which finger held the trigger. Palm prints will show the angle held.
I wonder if he shot the final shot with his left hand since it was to the upper left chest.
I wouldn't think he would have marks from the gun unless the slide action caught his hand in some way.

 

[vestigare]

Can a local answer for me please?
The Lakefront Park building at 71 Nippersink Road is that a community center where lots of functions happen?

 

[tcer114]

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Making a victim the butt of a joke is not a basic comment offering possibilities. The conversations the last few days have certainly derailed the purpose of the board.