IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[looking4OPH]

Yes, he wanted the postilion in Fox Lake and Lakemoor.

That's the first I remember Lakemoor being in the picture. Is there a source for that?

 

[Japple]

Yes, he wanted the postilion in Fox Lake and Lakemoor.

It was only a matter of days that the position was available before his death. And this is the 1st I've heard about the Lakemoor position. Could you elaborate on this information?

 

[Softail]

LOL is all I have to say.. You don't have all of the facts. Nobody in the public has all of the facts. Much that has been In the media is UNTRUE.

I will say this, there is discord between agencies. The FBI and the DHS ,,,, however there is a lot of evidence. It is an active and ongoing investigation,,,, So I appreciate them preserving the facts until there is a prosecution. Which won't come anytime soon.

It wasn't suicide.

 

[Thora_Jay]

That's the first I remember Lakemoor being in the picture. Is there a source for that?

It was only a matter of days that the position was available before his death. And this is the 1st I've heard about the Lakemoor position. Could you elaborate on this information?

A friend of mine here who knows that he applied. So there is no source. I am sure that it will come out soon. He also applied with a few Departments.

 

[Chuz Life]

I've never been down that road, but considering years of concrete trucks going over it, the dry conditions, lack of vegetation on the road itself, I'd say it is pretty hard pact.

One of my main customers used to be a concrete plant. As hard packed as some of the areas were, there were many more areas covered in fine dust like powder. Even concrete surfaces were covered in it.

When it rained, it was like mud or plaster (perfect for foot prints to show) and when it was dry, it was like powder again. Also good for showing footprints, tire tracks, etc.

 

[Japple]

It was a cement plant. There is bound to be lots of sand, asc and powdered (pulverized) limestone along that road.

It is near perfect for catching foot prints.

I have to politely disagree with everything in this post except that it was a cement plant.

 

[katydid23]

One of my main customers used to be a Concrete plant. As hard packed as some of the areas were. there were many more covered in fine dust like powder. Even concrete surfaces were covered in it.

When it rained, it was like mud or plaster (perfect for prints) and when it was dry, it was like powder again. Also good for showing footprints, tire tracks, etc.

Then there must be a whole lot of footprints all around there. It was routinely patrolled because of reported problems with transients, vandalism, etc. So maybe it was not a lack of footprints but too many that as the issue.

 

[looking4OPH]

I had him closer to the former cement plant. We know he wasn't on the road, because if he was on the road it wouldn't have taken several minutes to find him and they wouldn't have had to use machetes to cut away at the brush at the crime scene.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/significant-new-evidence-found-fox-lake-murder-article-1.2349900

"The guys had to go out and buy machetes and weed whackers and they've been chopping this stuff out of the way and turning over every leaf and did locate something that will be significant down the road," Covelli said.

Another detail clarification. Covelli's description of the use of machetes seems to me to be more turning over the tall plant/swamp area in the later work (ie; go out and buy) of looking for evidence (ie; turning over every leaf) in the general area, not specifically when/where the body was found. Am I off on this?

 

[DexterMorgan]

LOL is all I have to say.. You don't have all of the facts. Nobody in the public has all of the facts. Much that has been In the media is UNTRUE.

I will say this, there is discord between agencies. The FBI and the DHS ,,,, however there is a lot of evidence. It is an active and ongoing investigation,,,, So I appreciate them preserving the facts until there is a prosecution. Which won't come anytime soon.

It wasn't suicide.

Bona Dea. We have been speculating and giving probable theories from day 1.

But now it seems like you know what's going on while we are fishing in the waters we were given.

So if you know some insider information. Then share it or a little of it or leave our little speculations be for now. Lol.

But hopefully Rudd knows what you know. Because he seems clueless at the mod as well. Lol

So please explain if okay to do so. But until then; our speculation will have to continue until a public official or verified insider announces something. Jmo

Btw. I meant no harm. I'm just looking for answers now. And it seems like you know something. Lol Jmo

 

[Walker007]

LOL is all I have to say.. You don't have all of the facts. Nobody in the public has all of the facts. Much that has been In the media is UNTRUE.

I will say this, there is discord between agencies. The FBI and the DHS ,,,, however there is a lot of evidence. It is an active and ongoing investigation,,,, So I appreciate them preserving the facts until there is a prosecution. Which won't come anytime soon.

It wasn't suicide.

I believe this for a multitude of reasons. Thanks for sharing. Are you saying the discord is between the two federal agencies and the local or between one another (FBI to DHS)? Is the Lake County task force the lead in this case or did it become federal somehow?

 

[Chuz Life]

Not to derail the thread or any other topics with this - but has anyone else watched this video? It's a completely different case (from Fox Lake) but it really sheds some light on the rift between the Police Department and the Coroners office.

Pay close attention to who these authorities are.

[video]http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/blaming-melissa-2[/video]

 

[Chuz Life]

I have to politely disagree with everything in this post except that it was a cement plant.

Again, I spent many a day working on the radios in the trucks at concrete plants. . . but what would I know from my own personal experiences.

Right?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I have a question. Did I miss where it said that he (The Lt.) was not being considered for the Fox Lake police chief job? I was under the impression that no decisions were made as the Chief decided to retire in light of him being put on administrative leave. You can read the Chief's remarks about his retirement in the Village Agenda that I have linked numerous times.

I just want to make sure we clarify if we are speculating because a lot of times this information gets thrown around as if it's been verified as fact and it gets confusing.

Considering he was planning on retiring and planning for a Chief job elsewhere. Would the process be the same if he was also up for consideration for Fox Lake Chief? Would he retire and then take his position as Chief? As far as we know the interim Chief was named after the LT. passed away. How are we to assume that he didn't meet with the Mayor because he was being considered for Chief? He was after all present at the last Village Agenda meeting.

If the Mayor offered Lt. G the Chief of Police job, he probably wouldn't have withheld the information from his wife though.

What if Lt. G, in some way, felt responsible for Chief Behan's troubles?
CB retired on August 27th but not before he was suspended.
The situation would be uncomfortable for CB and those who considered themselves his friend.

While researching heliports and FAA rules for flying helicopters, I came across an article about a Police Chief from Kankakee County, who abused donations he collected in support of a police aviation program.
In May 2015, he was convicted of fraud, money laundering and tax evasion. He went to prison on August 11 for 27 months and will have three years probation and owes financial restitution.
People still support him and say great things about him.
He spent $186,000 on personal purchases out of the $350,000 he received in donations meant to support LE helicopter use.

http://www.daily-journal.com/news/l...cle_cd6a21ea-3369-59a0-be14-33a130ec1538.html

More overlooked stuff must have been going on within the
Fox Lake PD to cause the suspension of the Chief other than just one incident involving the maltreatment of an intoxicated person.
Why isn't the public privy to all the findings that led to the suspension?

Especially, considering the timing, the aviation fraud situation
caught my attention.
Someone posted awhile back that three tasers had been purchased by Fox Lake PD for the amount of $7,500. Someone else responded the figure seems too high.
Was Fox Lake PD overspending and laundering - something similar to the example I linked?

Plus, did a helicopter come or go the morning of Sept. 1.
Also noted, the additional flight crew hired to support the
Coast Guard on the waterways are seasonal hires.
They work beginning mid May until the day after Labor Day when recreational boating decreases. Therefore, it may not draw attention to see helicopters flying along the waterways.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Did the cement plant send out mixer trucks everyday to customers. Or did they handle another aspect of the cement business?

 

[looking4OPH]

Not to derail the thread or any other topics with this - but has anyone else watched this video? It's a completely different case (from Fox Lake) but it really sheds some light on the rift between the Police Department and the Coroners office.

Pay close attention to who these authorities are.

[video]http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/blaming-melissa-2[/video]

Yep. We've weaved back and forth between the cases a bit up-thread. That case was and has recently become (with that new CBS report) a real mess. A good amount of mistrust around several players in both cases. I worked with the father of the boy years ago. Such a sad thing.

 

[looking4OPH]

Did the cement plant send out mixer trucks everyday to customers. Or did they handle another aspect of the cement business?

Don't believe it has been a working plant for some time. It is Prairie Material - Yard 23, but is not listed as an active location on their website. Some reference to permits for wastewater discharge into the Nippersink Creek watershed, but not much else out there.

 

[Chuz Life]

Did the cement plant send out mixer trucks everyday to customers. Or did they handle another aspect of the cement business?

The remaining equipment that can still be seen on google shows that it was a mixing plant. There are the remnants of a silo / hopper near where the Lt's car was parked (honing) and there is still a pit in use near where the plant once stood near Rollins.

 

[Softail]

Bona Dea. We have been speculating and giving probable theories from day 1.

But here you go sounding like you know what's going on and think it's funny that we are fishing in the waters we were given.

So if you know some insider information. Then share it or a little of it or leave our little speculations be for now.

But hopefully Rudd knows what you know. Because he seems clueless at the mod as well.

So please explain if okay to do so. But until then; our speculation will continue until a public official or verify insider announces something. Jmo

Btw. I meant no harm. I'm just looking for answers now. And it seems like you know something. Jmo

I get it... I need you to get that I cannot say much. I will only say that the wild speculations are just that. Again, An active investigation

I believe this for a multitude of reasons. Thanks for sharing. Are you saying the discord is between the two federal agencies and the local or between one another (FBI to DHS)? Is the Lake County task force the lead in this case or did it become federal somehow?

 

[Japple]

Again, I spent many a day working on the radios in the trucks at concrete plants. . . but what would I know from my own personal experiences.

Right?

Ok, lets say there could be footprints on or on the side of the road. Would they be identifiable? And would they be able to separate them from early responders? Unfortunately I don't think they preserved the area as far as this type of evidence outside of the location of the body itself. The first hours of this was somewhat organized chaos to say the least, with the focus on the manhunt and not collecting evidence.

Your post that brought this up implied that if there was someone else on the road, there would be evidence of that. And the lack of the 3 mens footprint (definitively) means the 3 men didn't exist. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Walker007]

If the Mayor offered Lt. G the Chief of Police job, he probably wouldn't have withheld the information from his wife though.

What if Lt. G, in some way, felt responsible for Chief Behan's troubles?
CB retired on August 27th but not before he was suspended.
The situation would be uncomfortable for CB and those who considered themselves his friend.

While researching heliports and FAA rules for flying helicopters, I came across an article about a Police Chief from Kankakee County, who abused donations he collected in support of a police aviation program.
In May 2015, he was convicted of fraud, money laundering and tax evasion. He went to prison on August 11 for 27 months and will have three years probation and owes financial restitution.
People still support him and say great things about him.
He spent $186,000 on personal purchases out of the $350,000 he received in donations meant to support LE helicopter use.

http://www.daily-journal.com/news/l...cle_cd6a21ea-3369-59a0-be14-33a130ec1538.html

More overlooked stuff must have been going on within the Fox Lake PD other than just the one incident involving the maltreatment of an intoxicated person not being handled properly to suspend the Chief. Why isn't the public privy to all the findings that led to the suspension?

Especially, considering the timing, the aviation thing caught my attention.
Some posted a long time ago that three tasers had been purchased by FLPD for the amount of $7,500. Someone else posted the figure seems too high. Was Fox Lake PD overspending and laundering like the example I linked to was doing?

Plus I'd still like to know if a helicopter came or went the morning of Sept. 1. Also noted, the additional flight crew used to support the Coast Guard on the waterways are seasonal hires. They work beginning mid May until the day after Labor Day when recreational boating decreases.

BBM - I agree, he probably would have. But she isn't going to do anything to compromise her husbands investigation. By speaking out about details. She already said in her interview he was planning things for the future. They were planning things as a family as well etc.

I agree that it would be uncomfortable.

This is a brilliant thought on your part in reference to the aviation type connection. It had crossed my mind when Filenko mentioned that the LT. was the one conducting the review as happens when their is a leadership change. Could he have found something? I also think not much is being released, which again, is typical in an ongoing investigation. No different than FOIA being denied in the process of an ongoing investigation.

No clue if this could pertain to his death but a brilliant and well thought out post.

I have posted the link to Chief's speech on the Village Board minutes a few times. There are a few curious statements the Chief made to the village board. 1) If you caught me, it was going to be Fox Lake Blue. And at the end in closing he says "no matter what happens"... thank you etc etc...