IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #5

[looking4OPH]

Yes, very interesting. They brought up a Kenosha County man being held in Lake county. I'm surprised no one mentioned it before. Timing and descriptions fit.

Similar area, not too many similarities in cases IMO. It was a big deal for several weeks about 15 min. away from Fox Lake. Surprised I didn't find any threads on WS on the victim or suspect.

 

[Montjoy]

Why would a character flaw(s) be necessary for Lt. CG to be capable of faking his manner of death? Wouldn't his knowledge of police investigations/homicide investigations be enough for him to be capable of faking his manner of death? Personally, I don't see character flaws as having anything to do with it.

Yeah, I can think of few people more capable of making a suicide look like a homicide than a LEO, and I don't think that character flaws are relevant. At any rate, we wouldn't be discussing his character flaws here, and none of us knows him well enough to judge whether or not he has any, or if they have surfaced in other parts of his life. The eulogies we've heard about him are not a sound basis for objectively evaluating his character.

 

[al66pine]

I think she would have to claim it on her income tax as cash gift....

^sbm If 'it' ^ is $$$ in a 'funding site' like , transferred to the intended recipient/donee, no fed income tax consequence to recipient/donee; IRS does not impose fed inc tax on that $, per bbm below, jmo. If someone has better source, pls chime in and correct.

No comment re taxability of other benefits. IANAL or CPA; seek tax advice from qualified professional.

-Does Donee Include Gift in Taxable Income (for fed income taxes)?
"Gifts and inheritances. In most cases, property you receive as a gift, bequest, or inheritance is not included in your income."
https://www.irs.gov/Forms-&-Pubs. Publication 17 gen rules for filing fed income tax return. ^ Page 96, of Pub 17.




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-Can Donor Deduct Gift from Taxable Income (for fed inc taxes)?
"You [donor] cannot deduct the value of gifts you make (other than gifts that are deductible charitable contributions)."
https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Smal...ed/Frequently-Asked-Questions-on-Gift-Taxes#2

-Who Pays Federal Gift Tax? (^ ex: one donor makes gift to one person of $14,000 or + in 2015)
"The donor is generally responsible for paying the gift tax."
https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Smal...ed/Frequently-Asked-Questions-on-Gift-Taxes#2

 

[vestigare]

Regarding taxes and the fundraising.
Under Illinois law she might have to return money if it was fund raised under false pretenses. It depends on the reasoning why people gave her the money and whether they want it back. This is no different than someone collecting for an illness they do not have. I certainly hope she has a good lawyer.

The taxes completely depend on who filed the 1099-k to collect the funds and how much she received per event. Fund raising funds are usually 100% taxable after $14,000. Especially if they are not going to medical care etc...where it can be deducted.

I hope she has a really good tax attorney.

 

[Keefer]

Why would a character flaw(s) be necessary for Lt. CG to be capable of faking his manner of death? Wouldn't his knowledge of police investigations/homicide investigations be enough for him to be capable of faking his manner of death? Personally, I don't see character flaws as having anything to do with it.

Some people still have honor. It's about how they will be viewed after the fact by their friends,family, cohorts and the community. Some people believe it or not would rather die than be dishonored. To a person with honor anyone who would steal, lie, defraud, etc would be very dishonorable. This would be seen as a huge character flaw.

 

[cady]

Keefer, are you suggesting that the Lt. may have chosen to end his life because of someone else's character flaw? JMO

 

[vestigare]

Some people still have honor. It's about how they will be viewed after the fact by their friends,family, cohorts and the community. Some people believe it or not would rather die than be dishonored. To a person with honor anyone who would steal, lie, defraud, etc would be very dishonorable. This would be seen as a huge character flaw.

Sounds to me as if he killed himself because he was afraid something very dishonorable was likely to be made public....

 

[cady]

Sounds to me as if he killed himself because he was afraid something very dishonorable was likely to be made public....

Well, that's what I think as well. But I would think that he assessed his own behavior and its honorability, and made his decision....not the dishonorable behavior of someone else. JMO

 

[vestigare]

I wanted to pass on some info regarding the 1033 Program.
Fox Lake PD was suspended in July 2014 according to Illinois State Program Director because of missing or incomplete paperwork. No other details were provided and all requests to FLPD are being denied.

According to Illinois FLPD was reinstated in Aug 2014 after they submitted the proper paperwork.

It is not known if FLPD has had any further dealings with the Federal Program since they were Apparently reinstated.

This information was obtained personally by me in conjunction with a reporter I am in contact with.

If you question the authenticity then please feel free to summit your own request to the state of Illinois.

 

[Tillicum]

I wanted to pass on some info regarding the 1033 Program.
Fox Lake PD was suspended in July 2014 according to Illinois State Program Director because of missing or incomplete paperwork. No other details were provided and all requests to FLPD are being denied.

According to Illinois FLPD was reinstated in Aug 2014 after they submitted the proper paperwork.

It is not known if FLPD has had any further dealings with the Federal Program since they were Apparently reinstated.

Link?

 

[vestigare]

Link?

There is no link. This was a personal FOIA request instigated by me in conjunction with a reporter whom I am in contact with.

 

[bluesneakers]

Well, that's what I think as well. But I would think that he assessed his own behavior and its honorability, and made his decision....not the dishonorable behavior of someone else. JMO

I agree, unless he'd been pressured or forced into assisting the person's dishonorable behavior. So like not something he'd done himself but something he helped cover up. Still dishonorable on his part but not a direct act on his part. Maybe.

 

[DexterMorgan]

If the money has already been given; And the family had nothing to do with his decisions. Then let them keep it. If it hasn't been given already then don't give it until its justifiable. Jmo

 

[DexterMorgan]

There is no link. This was a personal FOIA request instigated by me in conjunction with a reporter whom I am in contact with.

Maybe Softail can clarify this for us when they get back.

 

[vestigare]

If the money has already been given; And the family had nothing to do with his decisions. Then let them keep it. If it hasn't been given already then don't give it until its justifiable. Jmo

The law simply doesn't work that way. Fund raising under false pretenses is fraud. That is why it really depends on what people thought their money was going to.

If one ever gets involved in collecting or receiving funds from a fund raiser I suggest contacting an attorney to iron out the details first our you could fund yourself in legal trouble and with a pile of taxable income.

 

[vestigare]

Maybe Softail can clarify this for us when they get back.

Lol. Yes I am sure...

 

[katydid23]

The law simply doesn't work that way. Fund raising under false pretenses is fraud. That is why it really depends on what people thought their money was going to.

If one ever gets involved in collecting or receiving funds from a fund raiser I suggest contacting an attorney to iron out the details first our you could fund yourself in legal trouble and with a pile of taxable income.

If the family believes it was homicide and they Task Force is saying it is still investigating a homicide, then how is it 'false pretenses?'

 

[DexterMorgan]

The law simply doesn't work that way. Fund raising under false pretenses is fraud. That is why it really depends on what people thought their money was going to.

If one ever gets involved in collecting or receiving funds from a fund raiser I suggest contacting an attorney to iron out the details first our you could fund yourself in legal trouble and with a pile of taxable income.

False pretense means the family (not joe) plotted this. So are you saying the family was aware that he was going to kill himself and they were going to cover it up and have fundraisers and rake in millions.

I don't think so. Also go fund me doesn't make you give back anything. Jmo. But people do have the right to ask for donations back if it was deemed a fraudulent suicide.

But that wouldn't mean the family was in on it nor that the fundraising was fraudulent on their part.

So are you saying that joe and the wife plotted this together?

 

[bluesneakers]

If the money has already been given; And the family had nothing to do with his decisions. Then let them keep it. If it hasn't been given already then don't give it until its justifiable. Jmo

And if she isn't the one who set up the fundraisers I don't understand how any fraud could be involved. To me it comes down to: He died. Let's help his family.

 

[bluesneakers]

The law simply doesn't work that way. Fund raising under false pretenses is fraud. That is why it really depends on what people thought their money was going to.

If one ever gets involved in collecting or receiving funds from a fund raiser I suggest contacting an attorney to iron out the details first our you could fund yourself in legal trouble and with a pile of taxable income.

I think she should definitely get an attorney when tax time comes because she's going to have a LOT to deal with, not just the fund raising. But if she's not the one asking for the money or claiming she needs it for reasons specifically related to how he died I don't see where there's fraud involved.