Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #123

[TGIRecovered]

bbm
Consider this my opinion, because I don't have a link: It's not uncommon for perps arrested for rape/sexual assault to agree to a plea deal for "burglary" or just "assault." So, many inmates serving time for non sexual-predator crimes may actually be rapists and sexual-assaulters. IMO

It is so wrong for a rapist or child abuser to be able to keep that off of their record by pleading guilty to a lesser crime. That’s how these horrible people are able to rape and assault over and over again as much as they want to for the rest of their lives.

It’s very discouraging for the victims. When a person is being assaulted by someone who has done it before and gotten away with it, they feel like there’s no use in reporting it to the police because the abuser knows how to beat the system. The victim has to suffer the repercussions of their abuser continuing the abuse and gloating over it.
MOO

 

[rosesfromangels]

Again no problem if anyone has any questions feel free to shoot me a PM

Thanks again for serving as a resource Kell1, so very valuable.
My ponderings are likely on the minds of others, so I'll just ask here.

For all we know, LE has received concrete tips on who this Perp might be. We can assume they are running their processes behind the scenes. We certainly hope this is the case, and is likely so.

In parallel, we can also hope that more sophisticated DNA testing is being explored, or underway. Every day I read some update on new procedures that are reaping some pretty amazing results. Similarly, I have been exploring and asking various techies I know about image enhancing software. It seems as if advances in machine learning and AI are promising there as well.

So - my question for you. Do you think Delphi has access (via other agencies) to some of these more cutting edge technologies? I keep praying that one of these days that fuzzy "bridge guy" will come in to crisp focus. That day can't be too soon.

Thoughts?
TIA

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Ozoner]

bbm
Consider this my opinion, because I don't have a link: It's not uncommon for perps arrested for rape/sexual assault to agree to a plea deal for "burglary" or just "assault." So, many inmates serving time for non sexual-predator crimes may actually be rapists and sexual-assaulters. IMO

Only about 0.7% of rapes and attempted rapes result in a felony conviction. Less than a third are even reported.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...otional-physical-consequences/?outputType=amp

 

[Ozoner]

bbm
Consider this my opinion, because I don't have a link: It's not uncommon for perps arrested for rape/sexual assault to agree to a plea deal for "burglary" or just "assault." So, many inmates serving time for non sexual-predator crimes may actually be rapists and sexual-assaulters. IMO

Only about 0.7% of rapes and attempted rapes result in a felony conviction. Less than a third are even reported.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...otional-physical-consequences/?outputType=amp

 

[sunshineray]

It is so wrong for a rapist or child abuser to be able to keep that off of their record by pleading guilty to a lesser crime. That’s how these horrible people are able to rape and assault over and over again as much as they want to for the rest of their lives.

It’s very discouraging for the victims. When a person is being assaulted by someone who has done it before and gotten away with it, they feel like there’s no use in reporting it to the police because the abuser knows how to beat the system. The victim has to suffer the repercussions of their abuser continuing the abuse and gloating over it.
MOO

It all goes back to when victims weren't protected enough. After the case Big Dan's Rape happened in the early 80's. What occured there traumatized America's women into not coming forward, not wanting to testify, be exposed and ridiculed. It was a mess for justice for a very long time and these type of plea bargains were/are a part of the result, IMO.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Thank you for posting this. I had no idea that Kelsi German was so frightened about BG coming back to harm her. Poor kid.

This contradicts an earlier video she did. I actually remarked at the time it would be best for her to stay off social media, and I got swamped with angry responses. I think it’s best for her to only take guidance from law enforcement on communications. This is just my opinion, so please don’t slam me.
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amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Thelastleg]

This contradicts an earlier video she did. I actually remarked at the time it would be best for her to stay off social media, and I got swamped with angry responses. I think it’s best for her to only take guidance from law enforcement on communications. This is just my opinion, so please don’t slam me.
: )

amateur opinion and speculation

I'm with you on this. I mentioned inconsistencies and was accused of victim blaming.

 

[Romans12]

This contradicts an earlier video she did. I actually remarked at the time it would be best for her to stay off social media, and I got swamped with angry responses. I think it’s best for her to only take guidance from law enforcement on communications. This is just my opinion, so please don’t slam me.
: )

amateur opinion and speculation

I know she did a video before this interview saying she is not afraid of BG. However, in this article she shares an incident in December 2017 ,when everyone thought BG was older, that caused her great anxiety when her fight or flight response was activated on the approach of an older man.

 

[Romans12]

Thank you for posting this. I had no idea that Kelsi German was so frightened about BG coming back to harm her. Poor kid.

I did not know about her level of post traumatic stress either. I have much empathy for her. The article was very well written and the pictures were poignant. I am an RN at a psychiatric prison hospital where I facilitate mental health group therapy, one of my groups is Victim Awareness and I plan on including this article in my lesson plan.

 

[Yemelyan]

Only about 0.7% of rapes and attempted rapes result in a felony conviction. Less than a third are even reported.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...otional-physical-consequences/?outputType=amp

Yes!

In the article about untested rape kits from The Atlantic that I linked a few pages back, a similar figure was given (48 out of 49 reported rapes do not result in a conviction). And those were just the reported ones! So think about how many DNA samples from these assaults are NOT going into CODIS or any database where they can be compared.

 

[mom2chloe]

bbm
Consider this my opinion, because I don't have a link: It's not uncommon for perps arrested for rape/sexual assault to agree to a plea deal for "burglary" or just "assault." So, many inmates serving time for non sexual-predator crimes may actually be rapists and sexual-assaulters. IMO

I don’t discount this at all but it is ludicrous to permit a crime of any sexual and/or violent nature to be diminished to burglary or assault. IMO

 

[Kell1]

bbm
Consider this my opinion, because I don't have a link: It's not uncommon for perps arrested for rape/sexual assault to agree to a plea deal for "burglary" or just "assault." So, many inmates serving time for non sexual-predator crimes may actually be rapists and sexual-assaulters. IMO

Depends on the strength of the prosecutions evidence In a particular case

but in many cases you are correct they may drop certain charges if theres weak supporting evidence and plea to another

Another thing to remember is that DNA cannot be taken without a warrant so unless they can get one froma judge which no judge will do without evidence to do so

DNA can be collected if left publicly, but you can refuse a DNA swab without a warrant

You may (and usually do) have your offender right in your interview room, but have to let him go if theres no reason to hold him legally

 

[St. Anthony2017]

Depends on the strength of the prosecutions evidence In a particular case

but in many cases you are correct they may drop certain charges if theres weak supporting evidence and plea to another

Another thing to remember is that DNA cannot be taken without a warrant so unless they can get one froma judge which no judge will do without evidence to do so

DNA can be collected if left publicly, but you can refuse a DNA swab without a warrant

You may (and usually do) have your offender right in your interview room, but have to let him go if theres no reason to hold him legally

Can a polygraph test be refused? I know it can’t be used in court but seems to be a good tool to get a read on a suspect. Also if a person refuses to take one is that more suspicious than someone who takes one and fails it? Thank you -

 

[Kell1]

Thanks again for serving as a resource Kell1, so very valuable.
My ponderings are likely on the minds of others, so I'll just ask here.

For all we know, LE has received concrete tips on who this Perp might be. We can assume they are running their processes behind the scenes. We certainly hope this is the case, and is likely so.

In parallel, we can also hope that more sophisticated DNA testing is being explored, or underway. Every day I read some update on new procedures that are reaping some pretty amazing results. Similarly, I have been exploring and asking various techies I know about image enhancing software. It seems as if advances in machine learning and AI are promising there as well.

So - my question for you. Do you think Delphi has access (via other agencies) to some of these more cutting edge technologies? I keep praying that one of these days that fuzzy "bridge guy" will come in to crisp focus. That day can't be too soon.

Thoughts?
TIA

Amateur opinion and speculation

I would imagine, if not they could through the state and the FBI

but unless this offenders (or some relatives) DNA is in the database in question , assuming they have DNA evidence, it wont show up

Remember just because somebody is arrested doesn’t mean that their DNA is collected same with those who were interviewed DNA can only be collected with a warrant

Therefore in order to obtain a warrant you would have to have pretty convincing evidence to get a judge to sign it

they cant get a warrant on everyone they interview

 

[Kell1]

Can a polygraph test be refused? I know it can’t be used in court but seems to be a good tool to get a read on a suspect. Also if a person refuses to take one is that more suspicious than someone who takes one and fails it? Thank you -

Yes and they often are, and it does indeed up the suspicion factor, However refusal to do so is not indicative of guilt

 

[TheVisual]

Does your suspect sound like BG? BG seems to have an unusually hoarse voice. I believe that you said that your suspect was quite a bit older than the stated age range for BG, right? If that's the case, I'd have to say that the odds of your suspect being BG are low.

I look at the video, not the sketches. He has quite a background but is not in CODIS. He is a narcissist and had the opportunity. He does have a gravelly voice and he is in the age bracket of the original sketch that first came out in 2017.

 

[carbuff]

Do you think LE has interviewed this person that knows? I believe the stated number of interviews that have been done as ofvthe 3 year anniversary was 1,000. That's about 1/3 of Delphi. Do you think the frightened person who knows hasn't been interviewed? I think it's either someone who feels greatly subjugated in their situation to a far greater personality or is in total denial themselves and has too much, in their mind, to lose by speaking up. AJMO

Good question. I kind of feel like maybe for whatever reason she's not on LE's radar, or only peripherally involved. Maybe they talked to her briefly but in a perfunctory way.

I think the person is probably an abused wife or girlfriend, but could be adult child or maybe sibling. Possibly his mother.

 

[Ozoner]

I look at the video, not the sketches. He has quite a background but is not in CODIS. He is a narcissist and had the opportunity. He does have a gravelly voice and he is in the age bracket of the original sketch that first came out in 2017.

1.Was he familiar with the Monon High Bridge area?
2. Did you ever see him wearing the clothing seen in the video?
3. Did he change his appearance in any way after the video stills were released?
4. What does he do for a living?

 

[Kell1]

Im most cases the the suspects name is known within the first week

 

[MistyWaters]

"When we decided that, through the information we received, that we were going to release the second sketch I don’t believe the individual knew we were going to do that. So, it was really, really important. I think he was probably there and/or watching, simply because he thought we were on the wrong path," Carter said when the second sketch was released."

BBM
The way in which ISP Carter makes these statements almost leads me to believe that the person LE believes committed these murders is a person privileged with LE information. But then again, ISP Carter can be confusing and dramatic, so hard to tell, hard to tell. JMO

3 years later: What we know about the murders of Abby Williams, Libby German in Delphi

Yes it is hard to tell but I lean toward dramatics. Police were in a difficult position two years in, introducing a new entirely different sketch, out with the old who they’d previously introduced as the man on the bridge. The “new direction” came about without any explanation. I think they would’ve been met with public criticism, insinuations of incompetence, a botched investigation etc.

But instead Carter turned it around as if this was some sort of brilliant and ingenious plan all along on the heels of a future arrest, the killer was outsmarted by LE and all this time they knew everything about him. As a result many people were certain there’d be an arrest within the following two weeks and that was why he asked for the media to give the family privacy for that length of time.

In the corporate world it’s referred to as “crisis management” admitting to a negative situation but expressing it in a positive way so as not to cause public distrust.