IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[KyMom]

I just wish that what was released would have been a lossless PNG file of LE's working bitmap rather than a JPG so we would not end up with even more artifacts and distortions caused by the JPEG algorithm. But we have what we have and have to make do.

Along with that, I wish they would've (or would) release just a small portion of the video..I really can't see how it could harm the investigation.

jmo

 

[Floridian]

There were searchers out with flashlights - volunteer firefighters, LE, DNR, and regular citizens. WLFI had footage from that night showing regular citizen searchers and the volunteer firefighters and the camera-person filming it went quite a ways into the woods with them.

Then I'm thinking they weren't there at that time..

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[expatCanada]

I don't know the property laws in Indiana. Where I grew up, Texas, you bet it did. IF some one else lived down the same private drive, then you couldn't lock them out with a gate, (an easement in the deed) etc. Gate locks have to be interlocked ... so to speak, but NO one else allowed. IMO

The rr track itself IS private property that's been abandoned, so to speak. CSX (or whatever it is) still owns it, but working with locals to hand it over for $$.

Either side of the trail, leading to the bridge, is also owned by the same trust.

I'll look up Indiana property laws. Oh joy! lol

Here's the link again for anyone that wants to see who owns what
https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspxAppID=377&LayerID=5553&PageTypeID=2&PageID=2976

After you enter a search name, go to map and then click around. Easiest to do is enter RL name for the first search. HTH?'

That doesn't necessarily mean the road is private though does it? The point is it is still 625W and so people could park on it to go fish in the Creek or walk the railroad track without trespassing on private land if it is a numbered road ? Couldn't they?

 

[Floridian]

Maybe . Does anyone know what logo of AIM on his shirt stands for. I googled it and it could be health supplements.

Oh my ..hang on.
Brb..

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[Falling Down]

On the property map the road is still labelled 625W well after that hard right turn though as it crosses under the bridge. That's my point .

Thanks, I thought I remembered seeing it labeled a such.

For reference:

The property at the end of the drive appears to be of new-ish construction, a nice property I might add.

CSX stopped running trains through there roughly 30 years ago. My hunch about the drive is it may have been an access road for the Monon and, later. CSX railroads, for the bridge (railroad folks and enthusiasts would back me up on this).. As articles about this case have noted, the properties surrounding the bridge along the RoW, which had been owned by CSX, were eventually reclaimed/claimed by owners with land adjacent to it. I could be wrong about the actual drive, perhaps 30 years ago it was both a public and private road, same as today. Public up to the bridge area, maybe? Then RR and then again public and/or then private property? Before a nice house was built at the end of the drive?

My point? I'm an obsessive person, like I'm sure all of us here, are ;-) As others have noted, killers and serial killers have interests too, just like anyone else. Certainly obsessive issues, more so than us obsessive types. I've thought from the word go that this guy knows the bridge and its surroundings, like the proverbial back of his hand, but he may not be from the immediate area. This bugs me some, the FBI has yet to come out with some form of criminal profile for the perp (assuming it's one perp).

I still maintain this Bridge Guy (BG) is a railroad enthusiast of some sort. I am, it's in my blood, several ancestors of mine were RR people, that's how they got spread out from northern PA into Western and Central NY. I volunteer with the Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society, to give you an idea how passionate I am. BG had no trouble at all crossing a dangerous bridge that even locals didn't know was there, until this crime happened, and I can relate. Old RR properties worth checking out tend to be on the 'outskirts of town', often times by waterways (creeks, rivers, lakes, etc.). People who live within feet, say a quarter or half mile of such a property, often times don't know it's there, or know it's there but could care less. IMO RL strikes me as a "care less" type, he's lived there 50+ years, the bridge is within sight of his property, but he may not have ever had any interest in walking the bridge. Besides, he's old, and chances are he knows the bridge is CSX property, meaning private property.

See what I'm driving at? A killer like the one in question is banking on assumptions. RL said nothing remotely approaching what happened to Abby and Libby had ever happened in that area, and one of his sons had played back in that area and along the creek, when he was a kid. I can relate. As young as 8 years old I was out, maybe with one other friend, fishing along a creek for crawdads and sun fish where I'm from in NY State. By what is now (but had only then recently opened) a busy highway. The perp in this case preys on the vulnerable, which is why I leaned towards SK from early on.

If I were LE and feeling stumped at this point, i would look into RR enthusiast websites, groups, etc. Ask around, see if some of those folks thought someone's interest in the Monon High Bridge seemed beyond obsessive, as in he visited the site more than a few times, and may have posted his findings on a site or two, on several occasions. IMHO, it's not an especially remarkable railroad site, but still very cool and worth visiting, and I'm sure it's beautiful several months out of the year.

Cyber forensics might reveal some interesting things, you never know, by that I mean some sleuthing by LE on Railroad.net and similar sites.

 

[Bemused]

There is no watch. When a photo is inverted, all light things become dark. The man's face and hands are light, and in the inverted photo they are black. His right hand is not a watch.

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It also looks like there is a bill on the hat, IMO.

 

[Floridian]

Maybe . Does anyone know what logo of AIM on his shirt stands for. I googled it and it could be health supplements.

Are u referring to this http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/cr...cle_102935e4-9a23-5e9d-84b8-8ee458f3587a.html

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[expatCanada]

Trying to fix the link"
https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=377&LayerID=5553&PageTypeID=2&PageID=2976

I don't know the property laws in Indiana. Where I grew up, Texas, you bet it did. IF some one else lived down the same private drive, then you couldn't lock them out with a gate, (an easement in the deed) etc. Gate locks have to be interlocked ... so to speak, but NO one else allowed. IMO

The rr track itself IS private property that's been abandoned, so to speak. CSX (or whatever it is) still owns it, but working with locals to hand it over for $$.

Either side of the trail, leading to the bridge, is also owned by the same trust.

I'll look up Indiana property laws. Oh joy! lol

Here's the link again for anyone that wants to see who owns what
https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspxAppID=377&LayerID=5553&PageTypeID=2&PageID=2976

After you enter a search name, go to map and then click around. Easiest to do is enter RL name for the first search. HTH?'

 

[Jethro4WS]

That doesn't necessarily mean the road is private though does it? The point is it is still 625W and so people could park on it to go fish in the Creek or walk the railroad track without trespassing on private land if it is a numbered road ? Couldn't they?

The county tax maps overlays for the roads - centerlines and right of way (you have to have the boxes checked) - show the road extends to the house.

https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Ap...ageTypeID=1&KeyValue=08-06-29-032-018.000-007

 

[Trino]

I think he was finished in a matter of a half hour or less, total. And on his way. I think it was a sexual assault crime(s) and that he murdered the girls as quickly and efficiently as possible, and got out of there. Probably even before any alarms were raised.

IMO (of course) I think it's common knowledge the assault/murder was coldly pre-meditated. However, I just can't wrap around the idea that the killer hid out on a Monday just waiting for a victim. Supposedly, there is safety in numbers. One would think he would pass on two victims, unless he had some prior knowledge the two girls would be on the trail and the time they would be there. Not many perps take on two victims.

Just the idea that he had some sort of prior knowledge would enable him to get in and out ASAP.

 

[expatCanada]

Thank you for the clarification. I was so lost about that. That dude's been in jail since 2016 and I have yet to see he ever posted bail since then.

Are u referring to this http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/cr...cle_102935e4-9a23-5e9d-84b8-8ee458f3587a.html

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[expatCanada]

Yes and IMO it IS a private road belonging to one real estate trust. Back to checking Indiana real estate laws, etc.

The county tax maps overlays for the roads - centerlines and right of way (you have to have the boxes checked) - show the road extends to the house.

https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Ap...ageTypeID=1&KeyValue=08-06-29-032-018.000-007

 

[Shiressleuth]

Ten feet is such a small distance I don't think it means anything.

I think it must mean the bodies were 10 feet apart. I can't see any other reason for it IMO.

 

[WVWoman]

I don't know the property laws in Indiana. Where I grew up, Texas, you bet it did. IF some one else lived down the same private drive, then you couldn't lock them out with a gate, (an easement in the deed) etc. Gate locks have to be interlocked ... so to speak, but NO one else allowed. IMO

The rr track itself IS private property that's been abandoned, so to speak. CSX (or whatever it is) still owns it, but working with locals to hand it over for $$.

Either side of the trail, leading to the bridge, is also owned by the same trust.

I'll look up Indiana property laws. Oh joy! lol

Here's the link again for anyone that wants to see who owns what
https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspxAppID=377&LayerID=5553&PageTypeID=2&PageID=2976

After you enter a search name, go to map and then click around. Easiest to do is enter RL name for the first search. HTH?'

That would show in WV by who maintains it ..if it is state maintained anyone can drive on it and state owns 14 ft right away from center of the road so 28 ft more or less...so they could park along the edge of it and be on state property...now going to check on Indiana ...imo


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[expatCanada]

Disagree. Go back to our links thread and listen to LE at their press conference where they said the bodies were located. They didn't stutter nor waiver. MSM takes liberties and posts b.s. all the time. Go to the source. IMO

I think it must mean the bodies were 10 feet apart. I can't see any other reason for it IMO.

 

[expatCanada]

That's what I'm looking up. So far ... private road maintained by owner. BBL ... still looking.

Deed restrictions are showing ownership of the land adjacent to the creek, own to the middle of the creek on their side. That would include that road. IMO

That would show in WV by who maintains it ..if it is state maintained anyone can drive on it and state owns 14 ft right away from center of the road so 28 ft more or less...so they could park along the edge of it and be on state property...now going to check on Indiana ...imo


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[Vampyra7]

I know there has been some previous discussion on DNA testing and the like in Indiana and I just saw this article in the news tonight. http://wane.com/2017/04/21/state-senate-looking-for-answers-about-backlogged-rape-kits/

"For [victim's name], a rape kit helped send the man responsible for her rape to trial and then prison. She was 10 years old when he raped her, but her rape kit was not processed for more than 23 years."

I know we don't know whether there was a SA in this case, but since there is a real possibility it occurred IMO, it really is entirely possible that someone in the state could have committed previous crimes, escalating, and Indiana LE doesn't even know they have a habitual offender yet because samples are sitting for decades.

 

[WVWoman]

That's what I'm looking up. So far ... private road maintained by owner. BBL ... still looking.

Deed restrictions are showing ownership of the land adjacent to the creek, own to the middle of the creek on their side. That would include that road. IMO

I own both sides of my road ...but I don't own the road ...still looking !


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[mtnlites]

I understand exactly what you are saying. I have no problem with it. Except, these murders did take awhile to complete. Their deaths were not performed in haste.

Let me just say this. What happened in Delphi has never happened, to my knowledge, ever, anywhere in the world. It must not become a trend. I hope the AR remains sealed forever.

How nice it would be if BG brought a clear bag for his clean drinking water. Only, this criminal was not thirsty for water.

I am confused. I didn't think a cause of death had been released, much less specific details about the murders (ie, how long it took to perform them). Is there a link you could point us to?

 

[Mainemom76]

No, not vampires. Rituals. To me, it would be considered Satanic Rituals. To the killer(s), fulfilling a long held death fantasy fueled by wicked desires.

The family friend who posted earlier told us the family informed them that the crimes were brutal. We need to believe that and not shrug it off.

There were other tools used that are most unpleasant to consider; however, one must remain open-minded to how horrific the murders truly were.

Unfortunately, I totally agree with you. I think this is a lot worse than any of us could ever imagine. JMO