IN - Couple charged with abandonment of adopted child after legally changing her age, Sept 2019

[Dawn Day]

I don’t think I’ve seen this posted yet. Here is a link to the probable cause affidavit from the police.

Probable Cause Affidavit

 

[Medstudies]

Since Tarda type is x linked, it would be extremely unusual for a female to present with symptoms vs. just being a carrier, so I would guess she has Congenita type. MOO.
ETA: Further reading suggests Tarda type also would only affect spine growth, not limbs, which further indicates she has Congenita type.
Spondyloepiphyseal Dysplasia Tarda - NORD (National Organization for Rare Disorders)

Doh! (Facepalm) Thank you! ITA.

 

[Medstudies]

I don’t think I’ve seen this posted yet. Here is a link to the probable cause affidavit from the police.

Probable Cause Affidavit

Well would you look at that.

the second page, first paragraph is, ummm, interesting.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I saw the video. I was shocked her attorney would allow her to do a live like that. I think it will be very interesting to see how this plays out in court. I think Kristine truly believed ng was an adult.

My guess, it was her attorney that told her to pull it down

 

[Linda7NJ]

How old is she supposed to be in that photo? When was it posted?

Regardless, she has breasts in that photo. She has none in the photos they supplied of when they got her.

I don’t know about you, but my breasts have change - ALOT- over the years. Everything has. The human body is never stagnant it’s always changing. Changes occur differently for every individual. Some people look 50 when they’re 30 for example. I had AA breasts in highschool - they were a C at age 25 - I didn’t get fat, I simply filled out and grew breasts & hips. Some girls had D breasts at age 12. Everyone is different. But everyday we live, we age and we change in appearance.
I don’t know all of Natalia’s medical intricacies or how they may effect her growth & aging and frankly neither does anyone else on here. MEDICAL EXPERTS have decided she was an adult. There was a consensus.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I doubt the dad would have actually admitted that, that would be a free ticket to jail. What is more likely is he said he didn't know and they rephrased that to suit their own ends.

A sheriff's deputy "rephrased" Michael Barnett's statements? By how much, do you think? How much do you think this is usually done in the commission of law enforcement affidavits? And have you read the probable cause affidavit? the deputy also had to swear to the truthfulness of his affidavit as well.

 

[Linda7NJ]

That’s exactly what the quote says. That they set her up in an apartment in July 2013. I’m not sure how much clearer that can get.

Kids from Eastern European orphanages often have severe behavioral issues. That’s not at all unusual. So it’s not unusual that there would be a failed adoption or failed placements.

Of course I’ve wondered why the judge was convinced she was an adult. A letter like the one provided by the doctor coupled with Kristine’s Barrett’s dogged insistence and stellar acting would likely be enough for some judges. Why would a parent lie about something like that?

But the letter Kristine proudly submitted to “prove” the child was actually an adult - her evidence- is biased, unprofessional and suspect, for the several reasons many of us have explained on here.

The facts are also that:

1. Dad admitted to knowing the child was a minor when they left her there.
3. The Mans have had her since 2013. (And do not believe she’s a 28 year old woman).
4. Two separate bone scans by independent doctors (not friends of the Barrett’s) at hospitals two years apart both indicated approximate ages close to what the supposed birth mom claims.
5. Her form of dwarfism causes small stature but not a youthful facial appearance.
6. She had a totally flat chest in photos when originally with the Barrett’s. She no longer does. She would have been 20 in those early photos if the Barretts were telling the truth about her age. No one magically forward breasts after age 20.
7. After a five year investigation (so not spur of the moment and not haphazard), the Barrett’s we’re charged with abandoning her. Have you ever considered why?

According to you, I have magical boobies

Gitana you are one of my favorite posters here & I was thrilled you were here arguing the other side of this - nothing I love more than a challenging debate so please do not take my above comment as an insult.

 

[Linda7NJ]

That’s exactly what the quote says. That they set her up in an apartment in July 2013. I’m not sure how much clearer that can get.

Kids from Eastern European orphanages often have severe behavioral issues. That’s not at all unusual. So it’s not unusual that there would be a failed adoption or failed placements.

Of course I’ve wondered why the judge was convinced she was an adult. A letter like the one provided by the doctor coupled with Kristine’s Barrett’s dogged insistence and stellar acting would likely be enough for some judges. Why would a parent lie about something like that?

But the letter Kristine proudly submitted to “prove” the child was actually an adult - her evidence- is biased, unprofessional and suspect, for the several reasons many of us have explained on here.

The facts are also that:

1. Dad admitted to knowing the child was a minor when they left her there.
3. The Mans have had her since 2013. (And do not believe she’s a 28 year old woman).
4. Two separate bone scans by independent doctors (not friends of the Barrett’s) at hospitals two years apart both indicated approximate ages close to what the supposed birth mom claims.
5. Her form of dwarfism causes small stature but not a youthful facial appearance.
6. She had a totally flat chest in photos when originally with the Barrett’s. She no longer does. She would have been 20 in those early photos if the Barretts were telling the truth about her age. No one magically forward breasts after age 20.
7. After a five year investigation (so not spur of the moment and not haphazard), the Barrett’s we’re charged with abandoning her. Have you ever considered why?

If half of what the mother said in her video is true she has a ton of corroboration across multiple agencies that she tried repeatedly to get help for her now “adult daughter”
She also claimed her ex-husband frequently traveled back & forth to Canada dealin with the Natalia situation

 

[gitana1]

When I was in my mid to late 20s, up to my early 30s, I was routinely mistaken for a kid, so with all due respect, you are wrong. Skinny and small, with a young face. It was very annoying and a huge problem when it came to trying to establish relationships with the opposite sex. There is very little interest when you look like that. If I had been a dwarf then they would have thought I was even younger, I can't imaging how much more difficult things would have been then.

Like I said, I look super young too. I was also always mistaken for being much younger. That doesn’t have anything to do with a child’s actual face shape. But that’s my opinion. You have yours. I have not once seen an adult with that curvature and point to the chin/jawline. I’m sure if such a person exists there would be a photo to link somewhere. In the meantime that’s where I’m at.

 

[gitana1]

No they didn't. They saw an admission record at the orphanage. And how do we know that it wasn't faked to cover something up? They did not allow the reporters to make a copy of it. Could be there is a reason for that, and it is not confidentiality, after all they did show the document to the reporters so they are not worried about confidentiality. A copy allows questions to be asked about authenticity.

Bone density measurements as applied to children as opposed to adults. But, are dwarfs the same? Do they follow the same rules?

The cranial development in a forensic setting refers to fusion of the skull bones, but I think you need the actual skull to make that determination. She probably still needs that, so I doubt they removed it.

The pictures all look the same to me. Just different settings/clothes/lighting.

You do understand they don’t have to remove a person’s skull in order to determine whether bones have fused, right?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Barnett mentioned something on her video - she said those bone density tests came with a noted caveat - Natalia was at least that age but were not definitive for determining her age with certainty.

 

[gitana1]

And that is not official IU Health stationery.

And I need to back track. Is it mentioned whether she had the Spondyloepiphyseal Dysplasia, Congenital Type or was it Tarda?

It was the the first one.

 

[Medstudies]

Barnett mentioned something on her video - she said those bone density tests came with a noted caveat - Natalia was at least that age but were not definitive for determining her age with certainty.

I’m more interested in hearing and seeing the evidence the state has against her.

“She said.” - She also has an agenda.

 

[Medstudies]

It was the the first one.

Thanks!

 

[Dawn Day]

Yet the police affidavit says Natalia says she never saw them again after they moved to Canada

Sorry, I’m still learning how to post with quotes

 

[Indy_ar]

I don’t know about you, but my breasts have change - ALOT- over the years. Everything has. The human body is never stagnant it’s always changing. Changes occur differently for every individual. Some people look 50 when they’re 30 for example. I had AA breasts in highschool - they were a C at age 25 - I didn’t get fat, I simply filled out and grew breasts & hips. Some girls had D breasts at age 12. Everyone is different. But everyday we live, we age and we change in appearance.
I don’t know all of Natalia’s medical intricacies or how they may effect her growth & aging and frankly neither does anyone else on here. MEDICAL EXPERTS have decided she was an adult. There was a consensus.

Please take a look at the affidavit below. As far as facts, there appear to be two hospital records of studies that corroborate that she was minor. The husband initially told the sheriff that she was a minor. As far as the medical experts that decided she wasn't a minor, the only apparent record of a doctor is the unsigned letter from the family doctor. There are no known records of studies made to determine the age other than the ones in 2010 and 2012.

Probable Cause Affidavit

 

[Medstudies]

Sorry, I’m still learning how to post with quotes

It’s good! It happens to all at some point.

I haven’t made the border cross into Canada in over 20 years. Would there be a paper trail showing his border crossings?

Also, does he have bank records showing transactions made in Tippeecanoe County, or GPS evidence proving he “frequently traveled to deal with the N situation”?

 

[Dawn Day]

The Doctor note that was released IS signed, by a Dr Andrew McLaren. Most links to it only show the 1st page, not the 2nd. I screenshot the second page off of a news video, so sorry for the poor quality.

 

[gitana1]

I don’t know about you, but my breasts have change - ALOT- over the years. Everything has. The human body is never stagnant it’s always changing. Changes occur differently for every individual. Some people look 50 when they’re 30 for example. I had AA breasts in highschool - they were a C at age 25 - I didn’t get fat, I simply filled out and grew breasts & hips. Some girls had D breasts at age 12. Everyone is different. But everyday we live, we age and we change in appearance.
I don’t know all of Natalia’s medical intricacies or how they may effect her growth & aging and frankly neither does anyone else on here. MEDICAL EXPERTS have decided she was an adult. There was a consensus.

That kind of change doesn’t happen without implants or pregnancy. Shape may change but growing from perfectly flat to having breasts doesn’t occur. You know that.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever that medical experts determined she was an adult when the Barrett’s left. If I missed it, please link me.

The only evidence I’m aware of is in the probable cause affidavit that states she was examined twice by two different doctors while with the Barrett’s and determined to be a child.

Kristine submitted a letter that everyone in here familiar with medical reports and communications finds suspicious. IMO as an attorney who has dealt with numerous communications from doctors and psychologists regarding patients it is biased and includes a lot of hearsay. The doctor was the dad’s doctor. He or she gives an opinion that the Barrett’s are victims but there is zero paperwork, actual psych or medical reports, attached or referenced.

This doctor also lies that she was seen by an endocrinologist and an orthopedist but neither specialist was able to help substantially with age assessment. Or he or she conveniently omits that two doctors did assess her age as a child during the time the Barrett’s had her.

Then, he claims she was diagnosed as a sociopath. We’ve discussed all of this on here. That’s not a clinical diagnosis. What doctor would list a colloquial term in an official letter instead of the actual diagnosis?

Her or she also states that Natalia was diagnosed with a mental health disorder that only adults are diagnosed with. The implication is that only adults have the symptoms of the diagnosis.

However, there appears to be no symptom in the DSM for anti-social personality disorder that a child could not exhibit simply because they’re a child. Age is really the factor in determining the diagnosis. The diagnosis doesn’t determine the patient’s age. So that statement appears intentionally misleading.

 

[gitana1]

According to you, I have magical boobies

Gitana you are one of my favorite posters here & I was thrilled you were here arguing the other side of this - nothing I love more than a challenging debate so please do not take my above comment as an insult.

Oh no offense taken!

So you were totally flat at age 20 but had breasts suddenly at age 28? Without pregnancy?

That doesn’t seem to make sense.