GUILTY IN - Ryan Martin, 29, murdered in suspect Talmadge Jasper's home, Lafayette, 23 May 2019

[MistyWaters]

Guess he should have thought about that before he murdered someone.

I don’t think there was much thinking at all, including placing RM’s body in his closet and then later inviting the two females back to his place with a newly cushionless couch. What was his plan, to move the body some day when he got around to cleaning his closet? He was either high or off-his-rocker or in a state of self-induced untouchable egomania or any of the three combined is my best guess.

“The women left before 7 a.m., and later that morning, Jasper contacted his girlfriend and said Martin had left the apartment, so she and her friend could come over to his home, according to the affidavit.

When the women returned, he told them he threw away the couch cushions and would buy new ones, according to the affidavit.”
How a Lafayette murder suspect planned to kill his ex’s boyfriend, according to an affidavit

 

[Bluntgirl]

I don’t think there was much thinking at all, including placing RM’s body in his closet and then later inviting the two females back to his place with a newly cushionless couch. What was his plan, to move the body some day when he got around to cleaning his closet? He was either high or off-his-rocker or in a state of self-induced untouchable egomania or any of the three combined is my best guess.

“The women left before 7 a.m., and later that morning, Jasper contacted his girlfriend and said Martin had left the apartment, so she and her friend could come over to his home, according to the affidavit.

When the women returned, he told them he threw away the couch cushions and would buy new ones, according to the affidavit.”
How a Lafayette murder suspect planned to kill his ex’s boyfriend, according to an affidavit

I agree with your guess of his mindset. And maybe add some rage to that.

BBM

Or maybe he thought he could hide everything and deal with it later? He may be used to hiding and not getting caught.

MOO

 

[tresir2012]

Well they didn't waste time getting his DNA. From Niner's link

File Stamp: 05/30/2019
05/30/2019 Motion Filed
Authorizing Blood, Saliva, DNA Swab - Motion
Filed By: State of Indiana
File Stamp: 05/30/2019
05/30/2019 Motion Filed
Motion for Fingerprint Samples
Filed By: State of Indiana
05/30/2019 Order Issued
Order for Fingerprints
Order Signed: 05/30/2019
05/30/2019 Order Issued
DNA SAMPLES
Order Signed: 05/30/2019

 

[rosesfromangels]

Well they didn't waste time getting his DNA. From Niner's link

File Stamp: 05/30/2019
05/30/2019 Motion Filed
Authorizing Blood, Saliva, DNA Swab - Motion
Filed By: State of Indiana
File Stamp: 05/30/2019
05/30/2019 Motion Filed
Motion for Fingerprint Samples
Filed By: State of Indiana
05/30/2019 Order Issued
Order for Fingerprints
Order Signed: 05/30/2019
05/30/2019 Order Issued
DNA SAMPLES
Order Signed: 05/30/2019

I will be very surprised if his DNA *isn’t* linked to other crimes.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Boxer]

I will be very surprised if his DNA *isn’t* linked to other crimes.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Good thought.

 

[Niner]

Here's some "new" stuff on the court site:

05/31/2019
No Contact Order Issued
POR - No Contact Order No Contact Order - Pretrial Release; Issued by: MR DANIEL MOORE
Order Signed: 05/30/2019

06/01/2019
Automated ENotice Issued to Parties
Order on Initial Hearing ---- 5/30/2019 : Patrick Franklin Manahan;Patrick K Harrington Order Granting Motion for No Contact Order ---- 5/30/2019 : Patrick Franklin Manahan;Patrick K Harrington

link: Case Search - MyCase


Wondering what/who this "No Contact Order" pertains to? Is it Daniel Moore? If so, who is he??!!

What's a POR? Any lawyers around here!

 

[tresir2012]

courts.IN.gov: Protection Order Registry

I'm not a lawyer but I just googled and this info came up. Protection Order Registry.

ETA. There is a search feature on here also, searchable by name. It worked for me but the view feature didn't appear to show who was being protected. He has a previous one issued in March for Clark County. Still playing with this new toy.

 

[tresir2012]

05/30/2019
Warrant or Writ of Attmnt for the Body of a Person Issued

05/30/2019
Appearance Filed
Defendant's Appearance
For Party:
Jasper, Talmadge Russell
File Stamp:
05/30/2019
05/30/2019
Probable Cause Found: Order Issued
Judicial Officer:
Moore, Daniel J - MAG

Order Signed:
05/30/2019
05/30/2019
Advisement of Rights Conducted

05/30/2019
Order on Initial Hearing
Defendant in custody.
Judicial Officer:
Moore, Daniel J - MAG
Present:
Manahan, Patrick Franklin
Order Signed:
05/30/2019
05/30/2019
Order Granting Motion for No Contact Order
Judicial Officer:
Moore, Daniel J - MAG

Order Signed:
05/30/2019
05/30/2019
Hearing Scheduling Activity
Pretrial Conference scheduled for 09/27/2019 at 8:30 AM.

05/30/2019
Hearing Scheduling Activity
Jury Trial scheduled for 10/22/2019 at 8:30 AM.

05/30/2019
Order Issued
Order for Fingerprints

Order Signed:
05/30/2019
05/30/2019
Order Issued
DNA SAMPLES

Order Signed:
05/30/2019
05/30/2019
Court Sets Bond
No Bond
Judicial Officer:
Moore, Daniel J - MAG
Party:
Jasper, Talmadge Russell
05/30/2019
Service Returned Served: Order of Protection
POR - Service Perfected: Service Date: 5/30/2019 3:00 PM Person Served: Talmadge Russell Jasper;Served By: Daniel J. Moore, Magistrate; Street: 301 Main Street; City: Lafayette; County: Tippecanoe; Agency: Tippecanoe Superior Court 2; Manner: Court;
Served:
Jasper, Talmadge Russell
05/31/2019
Automated ENotice Issued to Parties
Motion for No Contact Order Filed ---- 5/30/2019 : Patrick Franklin Manahan;Patrick K Harrington Motion Filed ---- 5/30/2019 : Patrick Franklin Manahan;Patrick K Harrington Motion Filed ---- 5/30/2019 : Patrick Franklin Manahan;Patrick K Harrington Hearing Scheduling Activity ---- 5/30/2019 : Patrick Franklin Manahan;Patrick K Harrington Hearing Scheduling Activity ---- 5/30/2019 : Patrick Franklin Manahan;Patrick K Harrington Order Issued ---- 5/30/2019 : Patrick Franklin Manahan;Patrick K Harrington Order Issued ---- 5/30/2019 : Patrick Franklin Manahan;Patrick K Harrington

05/31/2019
No Contact Order Issued
POR - No Contact Order No Contact Order - Pretrial Release; Issued by: MR DANIEL MOORE

Order Signed:
05/30/2019

Couple of things:

Daniel Moore is a judicial officer - see top section above about a warrant.

Now why has a warrant been issued if no bond has been allowed? A warrant and a protection order issued has me worried. What does this mean?

 

[Niner]

Thanks for the abbreviation of POR! Wondering - could it be RM's girlfriend?

 

[tresir2012]

Thanks for the abbreviation of POR! Wondering - could it be RM's girlfriend?

Perhaps but why is a PO needed if he is in jail? Last one didn't work. Why do they need to issue a warrant if he is in jail? I hope he hasn't escaped. MOO

 

[anotherjenny]

Perhaps but why is a PO needed if he is in jail? Last one didn't work. Why do they need to issue a warrant if he is in jail? I hope he hasn't escaped. MOO

Can another inmate file one against him??

 

[Intrigued25]

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Thanks for the abbreviation of POR! Wondering - could it be RM's girlfriend?

I thought she already had one.

Perhaps he uttered threats to his current GF and/or her friend for talking to the police and it has been done as a precaution even though he is currently in jail with no bond

 

[tresir2012]

Can another inmate file one against him??

Not sure, but good thought.

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I thought she already had one.

Perhaps he uttered threats to his current GF and/or her friend for talking to the police and it has been done as a precaution even though he is currently in jail with no bond

Ok could be and why the warrant?

 

[Boxer]

No contact order is probably for the new girlfriend. Are they going to let him bail out?

 

[Boxer]

TJ defense attorney from Delphi.
Emerson and Manahan.

 

[SilentRogue]

I will be very surprised if his DNA *isn’t* linked to other crimes.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Why?

This is probably his first major offense. Maybe he stole a candy bar, broke a window, etc... but he's more than likely never done anything that would lead to his DNA being on file with the state.

 

[Boxer]

I agree with your guess of his mindset. And maybe add some rage to that.

BBM

Or maybe he thought he could hide everything and deal with it later? He may be used to hiding and not getting caught.

MOO

I think he was meeting (moo doing a deal) with Ryan so told the girls they should leave.
Later he had the girls back to see cushions gone. Later if questioned about why he was moving bags out of his apartment he could say "getting a new couch, or new cushions."
Girls would back that up saying they saw the cushions gone that day.
It is known that TJ drove RMs car to RMs apartment, is it known that he left the car there? If so, he could have walked back to his apartment, about a half mile walk. If he left RMs car at RMs home, TJ was likely counting on the missing person search for RM starting later in the day and starting with the idea that RM had gone missing from his own home.
That later start would provide time to allow TJ to clean up. MOO being seen in RM's home was unforeseen, and a quick response by Lafayette police is what disrupted this plot.

 

[MistyWaters]

Perhaps but why is a PO needed if he is in jail? Last one didn't work. Why do they need to issue a warrant if he is in jail? I hope he hasn't escaped. MOO

I’ve noticed No Contact orders filed against other defendants prior to their criminal trials and assumed it’s purpose is to prevent contact by any means - no phone calls, no handwritten letters, also no email if he’s allowed any internet access.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think he was meeting (moo doing a deal) with Ryan so told the girls they should leave.
Later he had the girls back to see cushions gone. Later if questioned about why he was moving bags out of his apartment he could say "getting a new couch, or new cushions."
Girls would back that up saying they saw the cushions gone that day.
It is known that TJ drove RMs car to RMs apartment, is it known that he left the car there? If so, he could have walked back to his apartment, about a half mile walk. If he left RMs car at RMs home, TJ was likely counting on the missing person search for RM starting later in the day and starting with the idea that RM had gone missing from his own home.
That later start would provide time to allow TJ to clean up. MOO being seen in RM's home was unforeseen, and a quick response by Lafayette police is what disrupted this plot.

I think that’s a likely scenario too.

The part that doesn’t fit for a diabolical premeditated plan is asking the girls to leave, telling them it was because RM was coming over. In doing so, he placed himself as the last known person to see RM alive, something most murderers tend to avoid if possible.

Instead I wonder if something set TJ off into a murderous rage and as a result he scrambled up a desperate plan to make himself appear innocent, including calling the girls to come back and then acting as if his missing couch cushions were an everyday occurrence.

I wouldn’t be surprised if TJ has physiological issues and also is a pathological liar who denies involvement in a situation even if the facts are staring him in the face.

 

[Bluntgirl]

Why?

This is probably his first major offense. Maybe he stole a candy bar, broke a window, etc... but he's more than likely never done anything that would lead to his DNA being on file with the state.

MOO

Or...

He may not have been caught committing another offense