Inconsistencies in DB's Story

[jjenny]

Wow...really? Not being sarcastic ~ that is really and truly shocking to me ~ not to mention archaic! Is this the case everywhere in the States? The fact that a child was GIVEN to a sex offender is very disturbing especially when he isn't the father. I've never heard that a child is legally a mans just because he is married to the mother. All seems to come back to the child/woman belonging to a man...ugh!

Oh absolutely its true. It's a recent case in the US. (see link) although it's off topic, but a sex offender not related to the child got custody of the child because he was legally married to the child's mother and thus presumed to be the legal father (despite the fact that they know who the biological father is). And it was just upheld on appeal. So the legally married man who is not the father has rights (assuming of course he wants these rights) to the custody of the child, regardless of the bio dad existing and wanting custody (at least in FL, apparently).

"A three-judge panel of the First District Court of Appeals in Tallahassee last month upheld Judge Rosier’s awarding of custody to Mr. Coleman. It affirmed without comment that she followed state statute in giving the child to the man married to her mother when she was born."

http://www.bakercountypress.com/ind...ion-in-wilkerson-case&catid=59:news&Itemid=57

 

[vlpate]

I just remembered something and went to back to read the thread-Does anyone remember when her brother said he was there that night and she was passed out..Whatever happened to that story...It has not been mentioned in months..for those of you who do not know this info-go read the *Was her brother there that night* thread--very interesting... this story has just seem to disappeared from all interviews!!!

Yes, and I brought it up earlier to much dispute. It was said that only one news outlet reported it, which is not true, but not worth arguing about.

What I found really strange was that they only interviewed him for two hours....seems a short amount of time for someone who was one of the last people to see Lisa.

 

[SyraKelly]

Yes, and I brought it up earlier to much dispute. It was said that only one news outlet reported it, which is not true, but not worth arguing about.

What I found really strange was that they only interviewed him for two hours....seems a short amount of time for someone who was one of the last people to see Lisa.

Vlpate-I did not see your post about it.-That was a huge story back then and it seem to me that after that interview-they back off of that story--why??Something happened in that house that night and it was not a kidnapping!!!

 

[redheadedgal]

You would think in this day and age, when so many people like to "dish the dirt" on others, that if there were many unsavory things about DB/JI, that would have come out by now. Lots of people want to have their "15 minutes", yet no one has went to the media and given then any "scoops" on bad behavior by these parents in the past.

i've seen comments posted under news articles by women who knew her in recent years... not flattering towards DB at all.

how much more dirt do we need though then the already well known gets blacked out drunk with 3 children at home, one being a sick baby?

that says more than enough to me re: "bad behaviour"

 

[Meri]

What about the Irwins? Now that we know (or at least it's news to me) about filing for grandparents' visitation - anyone think they are connected to the disappearance of Baby Lisa? Like, we are going to show you what it is like to have a child taken from you?

 

[vlpate]

Vlpate-I did not see your post about it.-That was a huge story back then and it seem to me that after that interview-they back off of that story--why??Something happened in that house that night and it was not a kidnapping!!!

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153361&page=28

 

[SyraKelly]

What about the Irwins? Now that we know (or at least it's news to me) about filing for grandparents' visitation - anyone think they are connected to the disappearance of Baby Lisa? Like, we are going to show you what it is like to have a child taken from you?

No-I think- MOO-That this was some type of accident in the home.I am confused as to why they never spoke out before DB/JI asked all family members not to speak to anyone about Lisa

 

[vlpate]

Again, I will ask if anyone knows if JI's work van was checked by HR dogs?

Yes, according to the search warrant.

 

[kansascitypi]

i've seen comments posted under news articles by women who knew her in recent years... not flattering towards DB at all.

how much more dirt do we need though then the already well known gets blacked out drunk with 3 children at home, one being a sick baby?

that says more than enough to me re: "bad behaviour"

I doubt that she was blacked out drunk. She told me she had a buzz and even if she wasn't telling me the truth, the entire box of wine was not drank. I also think she would have been harder to waken and would have wreaked of alcohol.

 

[SyraKelly]

KCPI-Have you heard anything about Deb's brother being there that night?

 

[kansascitypi]

Just following up on my word....LOL It took me a while to find the timeline. I was wrong in my previous post.

4:30 p.m.
The 10-month-old's mother, Deborah Bradley, and her brother, Phillip Netz, head to a supermarket to buy baby food and boxed wine. A surveillance camera appears to record the couple as they shop at around 4:45 p.m., KCTV5 reports. Samantha Brando, a next-door neighbor who was visiting family's home with her 4-year-old daughter, checks on Baby Lisa in her crib. Jeremy Irwin stays at home with the kids, WPTV notes.

5 p.m.
Deborah Bradley finishes shopping and returns home with her brother, according to WPTV.

5:30 p.m.
Jeremy Irwin leaves to take on a night gig doing electrical work at a nearby Starbucks. Deborah Bradley's brother also departs the home, KCTV5 reports.

6 p.m.
Samantha Brando heads out to purchase more alcohol, according to KCTV5.

6:30 p.m.
Samantha Brando returns and her daughter sees Baby Lisa, according to WPTV. Deborah Bradley puts Baby Lisa in her crib. (The Kansas City Star has Deborah Bradley putting Baby Lisa in her crib at 6:40 p.m. and Samantha Brando returning around 7 p.m.).

source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03/baby-lisa-timeline_n_1074377.html

Please don't use WPTV as a source. They are from out of state and I'm confident they've gotten none of their information first hand. I believe they are an NBC affiliate which means they may have gotten info from KSHB TV here. However, part of the disinformation that has been placed out there has been inexperienced, low paid news producers at distant stations rewriting the work of others and making things confusing.

 

[vlpate]

I doubt that she was blacked out drunk. She told me she had a buzz and even if she wasn't telling me the truth, the entire box of wine was not drank. I also think she would have been harder to waken and would have wreaked of alcohol.

We have no idea how much she drank, and there could have been wine before that box. Do people who drink too much wine really wreak of alcohol? She'd been asleep, according to her, six hours.

Buzzed??? She's now gone from drunk and possibly blacked out to "buzzed"? Wouldn't a buzzed person remember whether or not they checked on their baby?

 

[kansascitypi]

KCPI-Have you heard anything about Deb's brother being there that night?

I asked DB about that. She claims he went home after the trip to the store. If you're referencing the news story about him sleeping in the next room, that's why I'm not a fan of the out of town news outlets being cited. KSPR in Springfield, MO (three hours from here) put that out there. I think the confusion occurred because they assumed it was Deborah's brother when, in fact, it was Lisa's brother sleeping in the other room.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I doubt that she was blacked out drunk. She told me she had a buzz and even if she wasn't telling me the truth, the entire box of wine was not drank. I also think she would have been harder to waken and would have wreaked of alcohol.

I don't know if you saw my question from earlier, but how were you able to obtain an interview with DB when no one else has been able to? Did you have to get verified with her attorney?

 

[melissasmom]

i've seen comments posted under news articles by women who knew her in recent years... not flattering towards DB at all.

how much more dirt do we need though then the already well known gets blacked out drunk with 3 children at home, one being a sick baby?

that says more than enough to me re: "bad behaviour"

Well, like I said before, if in your mind, person who gets drunk with children in their care=person who would dump a dead baby's body, that is your right. I also have the right to think a really bad decision on her part does NOT equal disposer of dead babies.

 

[w1df10wr]

Doesn't matter how much contact he had. He is the legal husband. There was a case recently where a woman died and her child was given to her legal husband, a sex offender, even though he was not the bio father of the child, because he is the legal father. DB's legal husband didn't even know she had a child who presumably could be considered his legal child. A circumstances could potentially arise where being a legal father could become important, and the legal husband doesn't even know anything about it.

Is it this case? - [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6924787"]Sex Offender Awarded Custody of 3 Year Old - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame] -
Miranda Wilkerson's case in Florida. ----

 

[kansascitypi]

We have no idea how much she drank, and there could have been wine before that box. Do people who drink too much wine really wreak of alcohol? She'd been asleep, according to her, six hours.

Buzzed??? She's now gone from drunk and possibly blacked out to "buzzed"? Wouldn't a buzzed person remember whether or not they checked on their baby?

Buzzed is my word. I can't divulge all we talked about, due to ethics, but there are some things I'm safe going into. I asked DB if she was drunk as she had been portrayed that night. She said no. I asked her if she had a buzz or what and she agreed that was a fair characterization. There was enough wine left in the box that the LE measured it that night and it's retained. DB claimed she spilled some on the porch and that she spills her coffee most mornings. Again, none of us can verify the accuracy only know that is what she told me. Sharing that is not betraying any trust.

 

[vlpate]

Please don't use WPTV as a source. They are from out of state and I'm confident they've gotten none of their information first hand. I believe they are an NBC affiliate which means they may have gotten info from KSHB TV here. However, part of the disinformation that has been placed out there has been inexperienced, low paid news producers at distant stations rewriting the work of others and making things confusing.

There are timelines here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150977"]Lisa Irwin-Timeline - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Shelby did an awesome one and I spent hours checking sources to do an updated one. Save for changed stories, they are pretty accurate.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Well, like I said before, if in your mind, person who gets drunk with children in their care=person who would dump a dead baby's body, that is your right. I also have the right to think a really bad decision on her part does NOT equal disposer of dead babies.

It goes to show her moral compass though.

The adjective moral is synonymous with "good" or "right." So if she doesn't think it's wrong or bad to drink when caring for children, doesn't think it's wrong to live with a man who is not her husband, doesn't think it's wrong to have a husband and live with another man, doesn't think it's bad not to check on your sick child for hours on end. Then where does her moral compass pick up?

I'm still on the fence, but I can see where her choices lend to her character and how she could have chosen to dispose of Lisa's body.

 

[kansascitypi]

Well, like I said before, if in your mind, person who gets drunk with children in their care=person who would dump a dead baby's body, that is your right. I also have the right to think a really bad decision on her part does NOT equal disposer of dead babies.

In a former life, I was the public information guy for the Missouri Dept of Social Services under the Gov Ashcroft administration. I can tell you if we would have placed children in foster care for every parent that drank with small children in their care, we would never have all the kids placed. Bad judgment, yes. Criminal, no.