Inconsistencies in DB's Story

[norest4thewicked]

Just following up on my word....LOL It took me a while to find the timeline. I was wrong in my previous post.

4:30 p.m.
The 10-month-old's mother, Deborah Bradley, and her brother, Phillip Netz, head to a supermarket to buy baby food and boxed wine. A surveillance camera appears to record the couple as they shop at around 4:45 p.m., KCTV5 reports. Samantha Brando, a next-door neighbor who was visiting family's home with her 4-year-old daughter, checks on Baby Lisa in her crib. Jeremy Irwin stays at home with the kids, WPTV notes.

5 p.m.
Deborah Bradley finishes shopping and returns home with her brother, according to WPTV.

5:30 p.m.
Jeremy Irwin leaves to take on a night gig doing electrical work at a nearby Starbucks. Deborah Bradley's brother also departs the home, KCTV5 reports.

6 p.m.
Samantha Brando heads out to purchase more alcohol, according to KCTV5.

6:30 p.m.
Samantha Brando returns and her daughter sees Baby Lisa, according to WPTV. Deborah Bradley puts Baby Lisa in her crib. (The Kansas City Star has Deborah Bradley putting Baby Lisa in her crib at 6:40 p.m. and Samantha Brando returning around 7 p.m.).

source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03/baby-lisa-timeline_n_1074377.html

I have a hard time believing several aspects of this...just my opinion.

 

[Gingy]

I read a rumor it had something to do with insurance.

Just catching up on this thread.

DB would not be able to put Lisa on her husband's insurance plan, he would have to do that. Since he didn't know about Lisa, I am surmising that her health insurance (if any) was through JI.

Lisa's half-brother would be on the military insurance plan as long as his dad kept him on it.

The only one benefiting from the military insurance plan through staying married would be DB. I am surprised that she would be covered on her husband's plan, esp. since it seems they have had little to no contact. But, stranger things have happened...

ETA - Not sure exactly how Tricare works in this regard, but typically, an explanation of benefits is sent to say what is covered / what isn't. If DB was covered on her husband's plan, Lisa's birth/any hospital related stay should be listed on an EOB. I guess under HIPAA her husband wouldn't necessarily have access to the EOB, but it seems odd to me that he wouldn't have know about LI *if* DB was on his health insurance. JMO.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Vlpate-I did not see your post about it.-That was a huge story back then and it seem to me that after that interview-they back off of that story--why??Something happened in that house that night and it was not a kidnapping!!!

Yes, I remember it, but I think that it was just the way it was worded. I don't think that the brother was there that night.

 

[kansascitypi]

I don't know if you saw my question from earlier, but how were you able to obtain an interview with DB when no one else has been able to? Did you have to get verified with her attorney?

Again, I have to be careful how much I say. But, I approached Deborah and she was happy to see me and recognized me. She then got chewed out by Stanton. This was supposed to be confidential but somehow it has since been leaked, and not by me. Then, on an additional date, Deborah came where she knew I was. We had a discussion relating to the case as well as a social discussion. Please don't ask me specifics.

 

[vlpate]

Buzzed is my word. I can't divulge all we talked about, due to ethics, but there are some things I'm safe going into. I asked DB if she was drunk as she had been portrayed that night. She said no. I asked her if she had a buzz or what and she agreed that was a fair characterization. There was enough wine left in the box that the LE measured it that night and it's retained. DB claimed she spilled some on the porch and that she spills her coffee most mornings. Again, none of us can verify the accuracy only know that is what she told me. Sharing that is not betraying any trust.

BEM: How she was "portrayed"?? She said she was drunk...no one portrayed her as drunk.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/kc-mom-admits-she-was-dru_0_n_1015277.html

I just read or heard recently the wine box is still in her refrigerator, is that not true?

I don't believe she spilled any of her wine, sounds like another excuse.

 

[kansascitypi]

BEM: How she was "portrayed"?? She said she was drunk...no one portrayed her as drunk.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/kc-mom-admits-she-was-dru_0_n_1015277.html

I just read or heard recently the wine box is still in her refrigerator, is that not true?

I don't believe she spilled any of her wine, sounds like another excuse.

I'm not taking up for her but, IMO, in fairness, I think some of the news interviews the day they discussed her drunken state, she was talked into the characterization of it. JMO

 

[SyraKelly]

Buzzed is my word. I can't divulge all we talked about, due to ethics, but there are some things I'm safe going into. I asked DB if she was drunk as she had been portrayed that night. She said no. I asked her if she had a buzz or what and she agreed that was a fair characterization. There was enough wine left in the box that the LE measured it that night and it's retained. DB claimed she spilled some on the porch and that she spills her coffee most mornings. Again, none of us can verify the accuracy only know that is what she told me. Sharing that is not betraying any trust.

But didn't she tell Megan Kelly something different?I don't know how to post an interview-Darn..but I remember it was different than what she told you.

 

[Meri]

We have no idea how much she drank, and there could have been wine before that box. Do people who drink too much wine really wreak of alcohol? She'd been asleep, according to her, six hours.

Buzzed??? She's now gone from drunk and possibly blacked out to "buzzed"? Wouldn't a buzzed person remember whether or not they checked on their baby?

To the bold - yes, they do - horribly.

 

[kansascitypi]

JMO, I don't like The Huffington Post as a source. I just don't find them very credible and, again, they weren't here covering things first hand. There is nothing like the folks on the ground here. Things look different when you're seeing this here in person.

 

[vlpate]

Just catching up on this thread.

DB would not be able to put Lisa on her husband's insurance plan, he would have to do that. Since he didn't know about Lisa, I am surmising that her health insurance (if any) was through JI.

Lisa's half-brother would be on the military insurance plan as long as his dad kept him on it.

The only one benefiting from the military insurance plan through staying married would be DB. I am surprised that she would be covered on her husband's plan, esp. since it seems they have had little to no contact. But, stranger things have happened...

He also makes more money being married. Who reports the little boy on their taxes?

DB would be on his insurance, no doubt. How did DB and JI pay for the hospital bill and for Lisa's delivery? No clue, but I'll bet it's all being looked into.

 

[kansascitypi]

But didn't she tell Megan Kelly something different?I don't know how to post an interview-Darn..but I remember it was different than what she told you.

Megyn Kelly asked her if she was black out drunk. I believe she said yes. But, again, my point was that was not DB's original characterization. I felt she was led into that answer. It sounds like I'm on her side, but I'm not..just being fair. You have to remember the atmosphere of these interviews. In one day, they did interviews with Fox, ABC, NBC, and People magazine. I can't recall if there were others. But there was obviously much more time involved in it than what was being aired.

 

[vlpate]

JMO, I don't like The Huffington Post as a source. I just don't find them very credible and, again, they weren't here covering things first hand. There is nothing like the folks on the ground here. Things look different when you're seeing this here in person.

Ummm, yeah, there's a clip of DB saying she was drunk if you click on it - I didn't see the evil news media holding a gun to her head while she said it.

 

[norest4thewicked]

In a former life, I was the public information guy for the Missouri Dept of Social Services under the Gov Ashcroft administration. I can tell you if we would have placed children in foster care for every parent that drank with small children in their care, we would never have all the kids placed. Bad judgment, yes. Criminal, no.

Respectfully, I would coin it much more than "bad judgment", but you are right that it's not criminal. It should be (in my opinion).

 

[norest4thewicked]

Again, I have to be careful how much I say. But, I approached Deborah and she was happy to see me and recognized me. She then got chewed out by Stanton. This was supposed to be confidential but somehow it has since been leaked, and not by me. Then, on an additional date, Deborah came where she knew I was. We had a discussion relating to the case as well as a social discussion. Please don't ask me specifics.

So, would you say that you and DB are friendly?

 

[octobermoon]

I'm not taking up for her but, IMO, in fairness, I think some of the news interviews the day they discussed her drunken state, she was talked into the characterization of it. JMO

But she said she was drunk on Dr. Phil's show. She said possibly passed out/blacked out on Fox News. She said she was drunk. I don't understand why people keep wanting to change what she said? This is not directed at you KCPI.

 

[melissasmom]

It goes to show her moral compass though.

The adjective moral is synonymous with "good" or "right." So if she doesn't think it's wrong or bad to drink when caring for children, doesn't think it's wrong to live with a man who is not her husband, doesn't think it's wrong to have a husband and live with another man, doesn't think it's bad not to check on your sick child for hours on end. Then where does her moral compass pick up?

I'm still on the fence, but I can see where her choices lend to her character and how she could have chosen to dispose of Lisa's body.

But this is YOUR moral compass. A couple of times I walked out of the grocery store with something small in the bottom of my cart (earrings, etc) that I forgot to pay for. I went back in and paid for it, because I consider that stealing. Some people I told about it thought I was stupid, they would have just kept the item. I thnk that's wrong. Thats a moral decision. I know some religious people who think that any type of drinking is "sinful". If you drink, youre a "bad" person. That is THEIR moral decision. I could go on and on with 5000 other examples of what is moral and what is not. I personally don't give a hoot if she was still legally married. So what? If she was living with her husband and had an affair and passed the baby off to him as his own, well yeah, I consider that immoral.

MORALITY is your own perception, your own choices. You may see something as BAD but others may not. And if a person does one bad thing, or 2 bad things, does that mean they will do anything? If DB has no morals, do you think she would outright kill someone? Would you say, well no, she wouldnt go that far? Well why not? If she can dispose of her own child and not tell anyone, then who is to say she is not capable of stone cold murder?

It is all in perceptions.

 

[Meri]

BEM: How she was "portrayed"?? She said she was drunk...no one portrayed her as drunk.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/kc-mom-admits-she-was-dru_0_n_1015277.html

I just read or heard recently the wine box is still in her refrigerator, is that not true?

I don't believe she spilled any of her wine, sounds like another excuse.

I don't know if it's in her 'fridge - when Cindy Short did that walk-through, the box was still there, on the counter I believe. That's when she mentioned that LE measuring how much was missing out of it.

 

[kansascitypi]

Ummm, yeah, there's a clip of DB saying she was drunk if you click on it - I didn't see the evil news media holding a gun to her head while she said it.

Now my dear friend vlpate, I wasn't implying that. You know what I was trying to say.

 

[kansascitypi]

I don't know if it's in her 'fridge - when Cindy Short did that walk-through, the box was still there. That's when she mentioned that LE measuring how much was missing out of it.

I didn't realize that was public info. Since it is, yes. Last conversation I had, it was in her fridge.

 

[SyraKelly]

Megyn Kelly asked her if she was black out drunk. I believe she said yes. But, again, my point was that was not DB's original characterization. I felt she was led into that answer. It sounds like I'm on her side, but I'm not..just being fair. You have to remember the atmosphere of these interviews. In one day, they did interviews with Fox, ABC, NBC, and People magazine. I can't recall if there were others. But there was obviously much more time involved in it than what was being aired.

I don't know KCPI-I am going to have to disagree with you on the led into to an answer..she could have just said-NO-I was not blacked out drunk-just buzzed and feeling good..