Inconsistencies in DB's Story

[jjenny]

well -we do have the SB's daughter saying she remembers Lisa in her crib at 640

I am sorry but coming from a 4 year old that is not convincing one way or the other. A child can be easily manipulated to say whatever it is adult wants the child to say.

 

[jjenny]

Convenient that SB has a four yr old who reportedly saw Lisa in the crib. I wonder when that was. Does the four year old wear a watch?

Exactly. How is 4 year old going to know the time?

 

[katydid23]

well -we do have the SB's daughter saying she remembers Lisa in her crib at 640

But that has always bothered me. Does that mean that Samantha never saw her again after her 4:30 sighting in the crib? What about the dinner at 5:30?

That has always really bugged me. To think that Samantha saw the baby in her crib at 4:30, and she eats dinner in the house at 5:30, no mention of Lisa being at dinner. Then they story of Lisa being put to bed at 6:40? Why would that toddler be in her room alone so much, given that there was a 4 yr old girl over to play? My daughter would have never sat quietly in her crib at that age if she heard a little girl playing in the next room with her big brother. Something is hinky with that whole timeline, imo.

The fact that the only 'witness' to the child being alive and well after Dad left for work is a FOUR YEAR OLD?????

 

[SyraKelly]

I am sorry but coming from a 4 year old that is not convincing one way or the other. A child can be easily manipulated to say whatever it is adult wants the child to say.

Oh I agree-I was just answering Whisperer's question

 

[matou]

Convenient that SB has a four yr old who reportedly saw Lisa in the crib. I wonder when that was. Does the four year old wear a watch?

Does the 4 year old know how to tell time???

 

[jjenny]

Does the 4 year old know how to tell time???

And even assuming she does, is she going to remember some time later what the exact time was? It's just not convincing.

 

[SyraKelly]

I do thing the whole timeline is made up..but that is JMO-It seems nothing is solid except..DB going to the store,we have a video and DB herself saying she last saw Lisa at 640 and OH she was drunk.....something is missing when it comes to this 2 women..

 

[Whisperer]

There could be a case made that DB and her sons were at SB's house and while they were there Phil was taking Lisa to her final resting place.

It could be opposite too. While Phil was @ SB's, DB was packing . She could have placed her in a suitcase and put it at the foot of the bed. Either she left later alone or she had someone else take the suitcase away.

 

[cityslick]

I have no reason not to believe RR about SB's daughter but...

The only person he could of found out that info out is from SB herself (she would be the only one that would know for sure where her daughter was at that time) and he's mentioned on a number of occasions that SB was not talking to him. Has that changed now?

 

[cityslick]

None of their stories make sense. Why didn't she ask SB to drive her to get the booze? Why did Db have to call her brother to drive over there to take her to a store for booze (imo, the other items was a ruse) when there were two drivers sitting there? Why did Phil leave right away after dropping DB off at her house when SB was there and it looked like the girls were going to party.

When did the really all sit down for this homey family meal? Or was there a meal? And why did DB find it necessary to keep Lisa in her bed when SB returned from the second booze run? The only thing DB knows for sure is she put Lisa down @ 6:40pm. Lisa was allegedly in her bed @ 4:30pm also.

Why? Most of the stories are lies.

I thought it was theorized that PN actually paid for the booze (this was caught on camera)? Easier to ask your brother for money then your neighbor?

As far as keeping BL in bed, I don't see how SB going to the store has any relevance to that. BL being in the crib was probably for other reasons (sickness?).

 

[katydid23]

I thought it was theorized that PN actually paid for the booze (this was caught on camera)? Easier to ask your brother for money then your neighbor?

As far as keeping BL in bed, I don't see how SB going to the store has any relevance to that. BL being in the crib was probably for other reasons (sickness?).

Yet DB says she was just 'fussy', not sick anymore as she was 'coming off ' an earache. I cannot see how one can keep a fussy toddler in their crib from 4:30 until 6:30, and then change them and put them back in their crib for the night. I just cannot see that happening, especially while a little neighbor girl is there.

Something seems weird, imo.

 

[Sparklin]

Enlighten me....please!

I've only ever heard Deb say that Sam's daughter was in the house watching a movie with the boys. I don't ever remember hearing that she stayed the night. She was there earlier in the evening...but not all night imo

 

[cityslick]

There could be a case made that DB and her sons were at SB's house and while they were there Phil was taking Lisa to her final resting place.

It could be opposite too. While Phil was @ SB's, DB was packing . She could have placed her in a suitcase and put it at the foot of the bed. Either she left later alone or she had someone else take the suitcase away.

How does this explain the boys? This means the boys never saw, heard or bothered to care where there baby sister was, for over 4 hours.

 

[Whisperer]

4:30;m DB goes to buy booze.
5:07pm seen on video
5:30 Returns alone to house. Brother leaves. He wasn't invited for dinner.?

5:30pm DB COOKS dinner for neighbor and her child starting appr. 5:15/30.

6:00pm Neighbor leaves to buy her own booze.

6;40 Lisa put to sleep AGAIN when neighbor is gone.

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Did DB do all the dishes, feed, bath and get Lisa in her P.J's and ready for bed while SB was gone? That would be fast, very fast. What were boys doing?

Between 5:30 and 6:40, Much activity taking place.

After 6:40 (time given by Db) everything is a blur. Convenient.

 

[Sparklin]

None of their stories make sense. Why didn't she ask SB to drive her to get the booze? Why did Db have to call her brother to drive over there to take her to a store for booze (imo, the other items was a ruse) when there were two drivers sitting there? Why did Phil leave right away after dropping DB off at her house when SB was there and it looked like the girls were going to party.

When did the really all sit down for this homey family meal? Or was there a meal? And why did DB find it necessary to keep Lisa in her bed when SB returned from the second booze run? The only thing DB knows for sure is she put Lisa down @ 6:40pm. Lisa was allegedly in her bed @ 4:30pm also.

Why? Most of the stories are lies.

Maybe SB didn't have a car ~ Or Jeremy was trying to nap/shower, get ready for work and needed another adult in the house? We don't know that Deb called her brother. Maybe he was already there visiting ~ I would be more suspicious of Phil if he DID stay to hang out with his sister and her married neighbour.

I have other questions about that evening though... What time did the boys get home from school and how did they get home? Does SB's daughter attend school? Half days? Afternoon or morning? Was Deb watching her while they were at their counselors meeting?

 

[Whisperer]

I thought it was theorized that PN actually paid for the booze (this was caught on camera)? Easier to ask your brother for money then your neighbor?

As far as keeping BL in bed, I don't see how SB going to the store has any relevance to that. BL being in the crib was probably for other reasons (sickness?).

If you say she was sick, what are you saying is the reason that DB never checked on her sick child. DB clearly states she did not check on her the whole time she was with SB, drinking, and doesn't recall checking on her after that.

This story doesn't hold water. To be able to exclude DB as the perp, one has to concede multiple coincidences and many excuses. If her drinking was more important than her daughter than perhaps we really have a negligent homicide going on here.

To excuse her from checking on her SICK child and then tell me that somebody STOLE the sick child at the same time doesn't compute in the logic zone. She most likely was negligent and this child died because of it. That is much easier to swallow than trying to come up with neighbors, intruders and handymen crawling through a window to take a baby(and keeping the screen almost on the track, steal three cell phones (not one) or worse yet killing a baby and taking three cell phones.

 

[Sherbie]

I've only ever heard Deb say that Sam's daughter was in the house watching a movie with the boys. I don't ever remember hearing that she stayed the night. She was there earlier in the evening...but not all night imo

We need Ron to clarify what he meant when he says he was told the child wasn't staying in DB's house that night - did he mean there wasn't an all-night sleepover kind of deal (haven't seen anyone think that there was), or that the little girl left at some point prior to 10:30 and was not in DB's house for at least part of the time the moms were outside socializing?

 

[SyraKelly]

I have always thought this was a negligent homicide-jmo

 

[Sparklin]

But that has always bothered me. Does that mean that Samantha never saw her again after her 4:30 sighting in the crib? What about the dinner at 5:30?

That has always really bugged me. To think that Samantha saw the baby in her crib at 4:30, and she eats dinner in the house at 5:30, no mention of Lisa being at dinner. Then they story of Lisa being put to bed at 6:40? Why would that toddler be in her room alone so much, given that there was a 4 yr old girl over to play? My daughter would have never sat quietly in her crib at that age if she heard a little girl playing in the next room with her big brother. Something is hinky with that whole timeline, imo.

The fact that the only 'witness' to the child being alive and well after Dad left for work is a FOUR YEAR OLD?????

Except for the People article which states that Samantha saw Lisa in her crib at 4:30 and she was apparently fine...(or close enough) I have never seen Samantha quoted as saying she saw or didn't see Lisa at all. She may very well have seen her at dinner and maybe even bathed her afterwards, but she hasn't said, so we don't know. It bothers me that she hasn't spoken about that night. It's odd!

 

[Sparklin]

Yet DB says she was just 'fussy', not sick anymore as she was 'coming off ' an earache. I cannot see how one can keep a fussy toddler in their crib from 4:30 until 6:30, and then change them and put them back in their crib for the night. I just cannot see that happening, especially while a little neighbor girl is there.

Something seems weird, imo.

I still think if Lisa was in her crib as stated at 4:30 it was like a play pen time or change time...not sleep or nap time.