Inconsistencies in DB's Story

[melissasmom]

Because then JI wouldn't have a solid alibi, he HAD to call relatively soon after getting home in order to avoid him being a suspect.

(ftr, still hanging on by my fingertips to the fence)

But if that is the case, I don't see how 15 minutes would have been long enough to do any sort of coverup. JI comes home, wakes up Deb, "Where's Lisa?" Then she IMMEDIATLEY tells him that Lisa is dead and they need to protect DB from getting arrested. Now, JI doesn't need any time to process this, he just immediately jumps in and agrees to the plan. But first, runs over to SB's house to make it look like he is "looking" for Lisa. This is not IMPOSSIBLE, but I find it highly unlikely, these people are not career criminals used to covering for others or hatching big schemes of kidnapped babies.

 

[SyraKelly]

She was being questioned by LE for a while first. She was kind of busy with that. Plus she was mad at him in the first place.

I really think I would put my problems aside with my husband for a missing baby!!Just sayin..

 

[Whisperer]

But if that is the case, I don't see how 15 minutes would have been long enough to do any sort of coverup. JI comes home, wakes up Deb, "Where's Lisa?" Then she IMMEDIATLEY tells him that Lisa is dead and they need to protect DB from getting arrested. Now, JI doesn't need any time to process this, he just immediately jumps in and agrees to the plan. But first, runs over to SB's house to make it look like he is "looking" for Lisa. This is not IMPOSSIBLE, but I find it highly unlikely, these people are not career criminals used to covering for others or hatching big schemes of kidnapped babies.

I agree with you regarding JI but not DB. She has marking of a criminal. She wasn't one officially, but, imo, she has the mind of one.

 

[iamnotagolem]

But if that is the case, I don't see how 15 minutes would have been long enough to do any sort of coverup. JI comes home, wakes up Deb, "Where's Lisa?" Then she IMMEDIATLEY tells him that Lisa is dead and they need to protect DB from getting arrested. Now, JI doesn't need any time to process this, he just immediately jumps in and agrees to the plan. But first, runs over to SB's house to make it look like he is "looking" for Lisa. This is not IMPOSSIBLE, but I find it highly unlikely, these people are not career criminals used to covering for others or hatching big schemes of kidnapped babies.

We only have DB saying Lisa was alive after 4:30PM (and the 4:30pm sighting was by a 4 y/o), the only other sighting I've read of Lisa is from the day before at a party, JI could have disposed of Lisa on his way TO work and used work as his alibi then come home at 4AM to "discover Lisa missing" and call 911.

 

[In da Middle]

We only have DB saying Lisa was alive after 4:30PM (and the 4:30pm sighting was by a 4 y/o), the only other sighting I've read of Lisa is from the day before at a party, JI could have disposed of Lisa on his way TO work and used work as his alibi then come home at 4AM to "discover Lisa missing" and call 911.

Then LE would be asking people when the last time the baby was seen if there was any question at all about it. They aren't and they never didafter questioning people that very morning. It would be very bad police work if there was ANY question as to when she was last seen and for them to not ask for the public's help. Are the people that are stating that it could have happened before he went to work thinking that LE failed on their job? That woule be a very big blunder I think.

 

[SyraKelly]

We only have DB saying Lisa was alive after 4:30PM (and the 4:30pm sighting was by a 4 y/o), the only other sighting I've read of Lisa is from the day before at a party, JI could have disposed of Lisa on his way TO work and used work as his alibi then come home at 4AM to "discover Lisa missing" and call 911.

Actually Iamnotagolem-it was 640 that the 4 yr last saw Lisa-430 was SB last time seeing Lisa-

 

[iamnotagolem]

Then LE would be asking people when the last time the baby was seen if there was any question at all about it. They aren't and they never didafter questioning people that very morning. It would be very bad police work if there was ANY question as to when she was last seen and for them to not ask for the public's help.

I don't think I'm understanding. Is it your opinion that there are multiple outside sightings of Lisa from that day and they just haven't been revealed by the media? Did some of the neighbors see Lisa that day and just tell LE and kept it from the press to make us all crazy?

I'm not saying that Lisa wasn't seen since Sunday, but the only information that we've been given is that a 4 y/o saw her on Monday.

 

[melissasmom]

I agree with you regarding JI but not DB. She has many marking of a criminal. She wasn't one officially, but, imo, she has the mind of one.

I didn't know you were privy to what is in DB's mind. There isn't even enough public information on these people to try to profile them.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Actually Iamnotagolem-it was 640 that the 4 yr last saw Lisa-430 was SB last time seeing Lisa-

I have to go read the timeline again. I thought the 4 y/o saw her at 4:30 and DB said she put Lisa to bed at 6:40. I don't remember SB ever admitting to seeing Lisa. I'll go find the info and post it.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

And yet in the Ayla Reynolds case, LE did ask the public for help. I guess that case is not home grown, right?

JMO ... but both Lisa and Ayla are "home grown" ...

Again, JMO, but I think LE asked the public for help because there were some "rumblings" that Ayla's father left the house some time around midnight the night she allegedly went "missing" ... and they were probably looking for some "tips" to verify this info ...

And as to Baby Lisa ... JMO, but I think LE knew the "alleged sightings" we heard about were "bogus" ...

I don't know much about the Maine Case...just my gut reaction in the first week was the father and GF know what happened. I didn't follow anything the police were doing/did.

Since they didn't lawyer up, LE had many more options.

BBM: Exactly ... Deb and JI lawyered up REAL FAST ... :waitasec: and not just ONE lawyer - but TWO defense lawyers ...


MOO ...

 

[melissasmom]

I don't think I'm understanding. Is it your opinion that there are multiple outside sightings of Lisa from that day and they just haven't been revealed by the media? Did some of the neighbors see Lisa that day and just tell LE and kept it from the press to make us all crazy?

I'm not saying that Lisa wasn't seen since Sunday, but the only information that we've been given is that a 4 y/o saw her on Monday.

I think what she is trying to say is that if LE was not confident that Lisa was last seen around 6:40, and there was some QUESTION as to that sighting, LE would have made it known. They would have told the public "We can find no sightings of Lisa after (whatever date/time)if anyone out there remembers seeing Lisa after (whatever time/date) please call and let us know." If they are in the dark or confused as to when Lisa was last seen, I doubt they would keep that to themselves. Like in the Sky Metalwala case.

Edited to read AFTER said dates, not before. oops.

 

[kansascitypi]

Facing the Irwin house, on which side does SB live/d?

Immediately to the left, next door.

 

[In da Middle]

I don't think I'm understanding. Is it your opinion that there are multiple outside sightings of Lisa from that day and they just haven't been revealed by the media? Did some of the neighbors see Lisa that day and just tell LE and kept it from the press to make us all crazy?

I'm not saying that Lisa wasn't seen since Sunday, but the only information that we've been given is that a 4 y/o saw her on Monday.

There is a LOT of information that the media has not published. Just like the info that Ron Rugen stated the other day is old news here. And much of the media already knew all of it too. They just did not publish it.

 

[In da Middle]

JMO ... but both Lisa and Ayla are "home grown" ...

Again, JMO, but I think LE asked the public for help because there were some "rumblings" that Ayla's father left the house some time around midnight the night she allegedly went "missing" ... and they were probably looking for some "tips" to verify this info ...

And as to Baby Lisa ... JMO, but I think LE knew the "alleged sightings" we heard about were "bogus" ...





BBM: Exactly ... Deb and JI lawyered up REAL FAST ... :waitasec: and not just ONE lawyer - but TWO defense lawyers ...


MOO ...

so this agrees that the baby was accounted for after Ji went to work or there would be the exact same questioning of this.
And Joe T had to have the second lawyer as he can't practice here.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I don't know why the 4:00am call. I don't even know why JI had to work so long that evening/morning. Quite the coincidence though

BBM: And according to DB -- this was the first time that JI had to work the "evening shift" -- "graveyard shift" -- AND --

Their baby goes missing -- the FIRST TIME he worked a night shift ? Really ? :waitasec:

Coincidence ? :waitasec: I don't believe in these types of coincidences ...

JMO ... but I see some "pre" ...

MOO ...

 

[Whisperer]

Doesn't look like DB did much of anything when JI came home. I read she was rolling around on the floor. I can tell you most parents are not writhing on the floor at that moment. They leap into action. Writhing and crying on the floor may follow later but not in the immediate crisis. She doesn't place the call. She has Jeremy do it. She doesn't go out back, she doesn't run to any other neighbors house to ask questions. She is just being DB, dramatic and the victim. Still is.

 

[iamnotagolem]

There is a LOT of information that the media has not published. Just like the info that Ron Rugen stated the other day is old news here. And much of the media already knew all of it too. They just did not publish it.

Wouldn't that be vital for the public to know? Wouldn't there be a lot less doubt about Lisa being alive if they would provide that information to the public? I doubt Lisa being alive at all that day, if LE would say that Lisa was seen by multiple neighbors as DB was walking the boys home from school at 3:30p, then I'd be more inclined to believe that Lisa was alive Monday.

While LE isn't asking for confirmation of when Lisa was last seen, they've done nothing to make us believe that Lisa was alive on Monday. If Lisa was really kidnapped, how many more people would actually look at every baby they walk past, if they knew more info, if they didn't doubt the parents story, if there was less doubt regarding the entire situation?

 

[In da Middle]

Doesn't look like DB did much of anything when JI came home. I read she was rolling around on the floor. I can tell you most parents are not writhing on the floor at that moment. They leap into action. Writhing and crying on the floor may follow later but not in the immediate crisis. She doesn't place the call. She has Jeremy do it. She doesn't go out back, she doesn't run to any other neighbors house to ask questions. She is just being DB, dramatic and the victim. Still is.

so now it is proven that Jeremy does take charge then.

 

[Whisperer]

JMO ... but both Lisa and Ayla are "home grown" ...

Again, JMO, but I think LE asked the public for help because there were some "rumblings" that Ayla's father left the house some time around midnight the night she allegedly went "missing" ... and they were probably looking for some "tips" to verify this info ...

And as to Baby Lisa ... JMO, but I think LE knew the "alleged sightings" we heard about were "bogus" ...





BBM: Exactly ... Deb and JI lawyered up REAL FAST ... :waitasec: and not just ONE lawyer - but TWO defense lawyers ...


MOO ...

As on November, they had four..quite a feat in the world of parents of missing babies.

 

[melissasmom]

Wouldn't that be vital for the public to know? Wouldn't there be a lot less doubt about Lisa being alive if they would provide that information to the public? I doubt Lisa being alive at all that day, if LE would say that Lisa was seen by multiple neighbors as DB was walking the boys home from school at 3:30p, then I'd be more inclined to believe that Lisa was alive Monday.

While LE isn't asking for confirmation of when Lisa was last seen, they've done nothing to make us believe that Lisa was alive on Monday. If Lisa was really kidnapped, how many more people would actually look at every baby they walk past, if they knew more info, if they didn't doubt the parents story, if there was less doubt regarding the entire situation?

YOU ( and others) are expressing the doubts. No one ever said LE had doubts about when Lisa was last seen. When LE published their statement about the parents not answering vital questions, they said who was there, etc. It seems they would have mentioned they dont know when Lisa was last seen alive. Kind of an important detail, dont you think?