Inconsistencies in DB's Story

[iamnotagolem]

Are we allowed to slueth the BC to see who is named as father?

I don't know, but I do know we were not to discuss Lisa's paternity unless MSM came out and said something indicating there was a question regarding it. My guess is we should leave well enough alone, assume JI is her biological father and SB is her legal father (?).

My guess is JI is listed as the father on the BC, and her legal name is Lisa Irwin.

 

[iamnotagolem]

It's ridiculous to say they couldn't afford it. Number one, an uncontested divorce is cheap. Number two: He would have been making good money being deployed, enough to divorce DB. Number three - they both benefit by staying married.

I don't disagree.

 

[octobermoon]

BBM: IF baby Lisa was considered Mr. Bradley's legal child, wouldn't the BC have her with the same last name as him? I'm not familiar with all the legalities on this, but it seems to me if she was legally his she would legally have his last name. NO?

Not if Jeremy was put as the father. (as he should be) I think the only time this would be a legal problem would be if there was a custody dispute. Then all it should take would be a DNA test. But there were a few cases where men were forced to provide child support even though they were not the bio dad, just the husband at the time of the child's birth. I'll go look it up after supper is on.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Um, I am not sure what this is directed at. A poster said earlier in this thread that DB had a "criminal mind" I responded with the fact that we do not know that, we don't have enough information on these parents to "profile" them. Then DGC stated maybe the SILENCE (I am assuming she means NOT hearing anything bad about them) may mean something. I think the silence DOES mean something. If anyone HAD bad things to say about these parents (their past), I bet we would have heard about it, because people like to "dish the dirt" I didn't say I wanted to hear the dirt.

BBM:

:seeya: First, I apologize for not being more specific in my response ... sometimes I get "long winded" and this response was "short" ...

As to the "silence", what I originally meant is that this "silence" I referred to is DB and JI's lack of cooperation with LE :

1. DB and JI stopped cooperating with LE just a few days after Lisa went "missing".

2. In addition to that, DB and JI will NOT comply with LE's Standard Operating Procedure -- which is to interview each parent ALONE and SEPARATELY ... WHY ? JMO but it is obvious to me that Deb totally controls Jeremy during interviews -- so WHAT is she afraid of Jeremy saying ? That he will "slip" and get the "story" wrong ? Or ... could it be that if LE got Jeremy alone, that he will CRACK ?

3. DB and JI had not spoken publicly for a few months -- until the DP Show ...

4. DB and JI did not speak with "local media" -- until the DP Show was aired.

That right there sends up some "red flags" ...

Now ... back to the original question regarding the "profiling" :

JMO ... but profiling can be done -- even with the little info available in this case ....

You can bet that LE has done its own method of profiling, despite DB and JI's lack of cooperation ... DB and JI did interviews with the national news media, so LE is absolutely looking at ALL of DB and JI's interviews for any and all inconsistencies ...

LE knows that IF Lisa was "kidnapped" by an "intruder" -- and DB and JI were totally "innocent" -- they would be begging them to FIND their baby ...

DB and JI are NOT doing this ... "innocent" parents would be "camped out" and "begging" for LE as well as reputable search groups like Mr. Klaas' organization to help with searches ...

As I said before ... DB and JI's "silence" is "deafening" ... and top it off with having 2 criminal defense attorneys by their sides "controlling ALL the shots" ...

JMO ... but DB and JI are "hiding something" ... along with "hiding behind" their 2 defense attorneys, JT and JP ...

JMO and MOO ...

 

[highflyer]

Holy cow - well thank God she is still alive! Your poor mother ... were any of you ever allowed in a pool again?

I stand by what I wrote though, and maybe your mom would have done things differently had you all not been there. Who knows, but more times than not, a mothers instincts kick in and they move mountains (cars too), to save their children. DB didn't even want to look in the backyard - another crazy quote. Why would Lisa being dead be the first thought? Why not wandering around, lost, having gone out the open back door where the kitty came in? Ok, I totally made the last part up....

Nobody is that crazy about the water, but we had swimming lessons at the Y after that.

The DB thing not wanting to look in the backyard, has always troubled me.

 

[melissasmom]

I don't know, but I do know we were not to discuss Lisa's paternity unless MSM came out and said something indicating there was a question regarding it. My guess is we should leave well enough alone, assume JI is her biological father and SB is her legal father (?).

My guess is JI is listed as the father on the BC, and her legal name is Lisa Irwin.

When I had my first child, I wasn't married. I gave her her fathers last name, but he wasn't even on her birth certificate. Back in the day us hussys weren't allowed to put the father on if we weren't married. LOL
You can give your child any last name you like.

 

[cityslick]

It's ridiculous to say they couldn't afford it. Number one, an uncontested divorce is cheap. Number two: He would have been making good money being deployed, enough to divorce DB. Number three - they both benefit by staying married.

I read a rumor it had something to do with insurance.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

It's ridiculous to say they couldn't afford it. Number one, an uncontested divorce is cheap. Number two: He would have been making good money being deployed, enough to divorce DB. Number three - they both benefit by staying married.

I guess it depends on what you call cheap. I didn't find my lawyer bill for an uncontested divorce "cheap" in the least. I'm not sure what the non-divorce has to do with Lisa being missing. And lawyer fees is only a small fraction of what the total cost of a divorce is, there is also assets that have to be divided up, as well as personal costs.

 

[Sparklin]

BBM

That's the thing that makes me go :banghead: !

Why is everything DB has ever said have to be clarified and surmised about what she was really thinking or perhaps what she really meant? When she says she turned off all the lights, why can't we take that at face value? Are you positive in someway that when she originally said that that is not what she meant? Can she not speak clearly? Does she not fully grasp the English language?

The lights were used as a justification and evidence that something was amiss. .. that somebody had been in the house. If DB didn't mean that she turned all the lights off, why didn't she correct SB when she said that the lights were off when she went inside? Why didn't DB speak up then and say. . .well, there were some lights on. . blah blah blah? It seems that that would be important as to whether some intruder was in the house turning on lights.

None of it makes sense. DB can speak for herself without people having to translate for her.

MOO

I agree Deb can speak for herself, but some of her comments seem to need further clarification

 

[Sparklin]

THANK YOU!!!!!! xoxo

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't think she was neglectful that night, but neglect does not always equal murder.

Agreed. I wasn't arguing that point. I was arguing that she was a "bad" mother. And that I didn't need people from her past telling me that.

 

[KsStormy]

15 minutes is a VERY long time when you baby disappeared. Most people would be dialing 911 in less than a minute.

2.5 minute drive to the banks of the Missouri river.

 

[redheadedgal]

one more thing about the lights i've never seen mentioned:

DB made a point during the dr P show to say that there was a light directly above where they keep the phones... i have to wonder if she mentioned this to illuminate that the phones should've been lit enough for the "SODDI" to see and subsequently take. the second thing you can take from this is that without this one particular light on, the phones might not have been seen (and taken) telling me that the house was quite dark -- hence, few lights really on ??

 

[norest4thewicked]

2.5 minute drive to the banks of the Missouri river.

Again, I will ask if anyone knows if JI's work van was checked by HR dogs?

 

[In da Middle]

Again, I will ask if anyone knows if JI's work van was checked by HR dogs?

well the search warrant clearly stated "any and all vehicles" were to be searched. It would not be very good police work to not even do what your search warrants says you are going to go. So I would have to guess that they were or if not I would have to assume LE did not do a very good investigation and did not follow their own search warrant.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I have to go read the timeline again. I thought the 4 y/o saw her at 4:30 and DB said she put Lisa to bed at 6:40. I don't remember SB ever admitting to seeing Lisa. I'll go find the info and post it.

Just following up on my word....LOL It took me a while to find the timeline. I was wrong in my previous post.

4:30 p.m.
The 10-month-old's mother, Deborah Bradley, and her brother, Phillip Netz, head to a supermarket to buy baby food and boxed wine. A surveillance camera appears to record the couple as they shop at around 4:45 p.m., KCTV5 reports. Samantha Brando, a next-door neighbor who was visiting family's home with her 4-year-old daughter, checks on Baby Lisa in her crib. Jeremy Irwin stays at home with the kids, WPTV notes.

5 p.m.
Deborah Bradley finishes shopping and returns home with her brother, according to WPTV.

5:30 p.m.
Jeremy Irwin leaves to take on a night gig doing electrical work at a nearby Starbucks. Deborah Bradley's brother also departs the home, KCTV5 reports.

6 p.m.
Samantha Brando heads out to purchase more alcohol, according to KCTV5.

6:30 p.m.
Samantha Brando returns and her daughter sees Baby Lisa, according to WPTV. Deborah Bradley puts Baby Lisa in her crib. (The Kansas City Star has Deborah Bradley putting Baby Lisa in her crib at 6:40 p.m. and Samantha Brando returning around 7 p.m.).

source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03/baby-lisa-timeline_n_1074377.html

 

[SyraKelly]

I just remembered something and went to back to read the thread-Does anyone remember when her brother said he was there that night and she was passed out..Whatever happened to that story...It has not been mentioned in months..for those of you who do not know this info-go read the *Was her brother there that night* thread--very interesting... this story has just seem to disappeared from all interviews!!!

 

[Sparklin]

Doesn't matter how much contact he had. He is the legal husband. There was a case recently where a woman died and her child was given to her legal husband, a sex offender, even though he was not the bio father of the child, because he is the legal father. DB's legal husband didn't even know she had a child who presumably could be considered his legal child. A circumstances could potentially arise where being a legal father could become important, and the legal husband doesn't even know anything about it.

Wow...really? Not being sarcastic ~ that is really and truly shocking to me ~ not to mention archaic! Is this the case everywhere in the States? The fact that a child was GIVEN to a sex offender is very disturbing especially when he isn't the father. I've never heard that a child is legally a mans just because he is married to the mother. All seems to come back to the child/woman belonging to a man...ugh!

 

[Sparklin]

I believe you can give your kid any last name you want. When filling out the birth cert you just put the name you want for your child.

And..the fathers name no??
You can put any last name you want? There doesn't have to be any connection? :what:

 

[iamnotagolem]

And..the fathers name no??
You can put any last name you want? There doesn't have to be any connection? :what:

Yes. I could have given my kids any last name desired. The same is true when you get married, there is an option to change the bride & grooms last name.