Inside the Mind of Casey Anthony: A Psychological Portrait by Keith Ablow, MD

[jon_burrows]

Exactly. "I'd sell my soul to the devil to (get my daughter out of jail.)"

I don't recall the exact verbiage but there it is. JMO.

GA told the truth. :thud:

IMO

 

[jon_burrows]

I've said all along, someone in that family sold their soul to free her. There is no other explanation in my mind as to why she is free. Perfect storm is right.

They all did. They were a family united as LA would say.

IMO

 

[jon_burrows]

I'm not willing to get into a freeforall here over my feelings post verdict about name calling. Re WS - it's a fact WS was read by the defense among other posters out there as I repeated see our comments reused on other sites. So while I don't think WS was wholly responsible for the defense, I can't see how we can avoid realizing our comments made a signifigant contribution. It's a bit like the case - take isolated events and they don't add up to guilt but the totality of it points to one thing only.

Your 2nd BBM completely ignores my overall comment. I have no intention of ignoring GA's contribution to the not guilty verdict. I never have and I never will.

Dr. Ablow apparently feels free to say whatever he wants, no matter what. I made a comment, a suggestion, and it was all IMO. That's it, that's all I wrote.

How do you know it's a fact? Can you provide a link?

It didn't take a rocket scientist to make up that defense. I don't think they needed any help.

IMO

 

[fhc]

What Dr. Ablow had to say in this book could have been said in an article. jmo

 

[Well Done 99]

What Dr. Ablow had to say in this book could have been said in an article. jmo

...... in the National Enquirer, right next to the Aliens Probed My Hampsters section.

 

[Oakley]

Yes, precisely! He did say that and I notice you did not include a litany of how you describe this behaviour. I am not standing in defense of George!:banghead:

I apologize Oakley for using your post as an example....:seeya:

Not clear from your post if you are looking for a response from me. No 'litany' necessary IMO. I can state it in two short words, he lied. IMHO.

 

[logicalgirl]

Okay - this has gone way off point - so much so it's amazing..I said nothing in defense of George's lies, or in defense of everything he did and said that helped OCA from being convicted. I think he's absolutely guilty of all of those things.

I just don't see anything wrong with discussing what's he's done or done don't. All I said was I wasn't comfortable with the name calling at this stage of the game. Name calling, not talking about the facts or the deeds.

But we seen to have marched down a trail that suggests I think George didn't do anything wrong. He did - a great deal IMO.

It's really come to a why bother end of the hallway.:banghead:

 

[Tulessa]

Okay - this has gone way off point - so much so it's amazing..I said nothing in defense of George's lies, or in defense of everything he did and said that helped OCA from being convicted. I think he's absolutely guilty of all of those things.

I just don't see anything wrong with discussing what's he's done or done don't. All I said was I wasn't comfortable with the name calling at this stage of the game. Name calling, not talking about the facts or the deeds.

But we seen to have marched down a trail that suggests I think George didn't do anything wrong. He did - a great deal IMO.

It's really come to a why bother end of the hallway.:banghead:

I totally don't get why your posts are being taken out of context? I agree with what you are saying and understand your LOGIC, but that's JMHP. :seeya:

 

[jon_burrows]

Okay - this has gone way off point - so much so it's amazing..I said nothing in defense of George's lies, or in defense of everything he did and said that helped OCA from being convicted. I think he's absolutely guilty of all of those things.

I just don't see anything wrong with discussing what's he's done or done don't. All I said was I wasn't comfortable with the name calling at this stage of the game. Name calling, not talking about the facts or the deeds.

But we seen to have marched down a trail that suggests I think George didn't do anything wrong. He did - a great deal IMO.

It's really come to a why bother end of the hallway.:banghead:

Yes, it has gone way off point.

BBM:
A person who lies is a liar.
A person who steals is a thief.
A person who uses bat phones during a murder investigation is sneaky at best.
A person who kills is a killer.
A person who covers for a baby killer is a #$#%#@!.
etc. etc. etc.

I don't see any difference in saying GA is a liar as opposed to GA lies. It all means the same thing.

I simply asked for proof that WS had a part in the defense strategy since it was stated as fact.

IMO

 

[beach]

....Not even blaming us, that is just what the world has come to now, with all of the social media, FB, twitter, forums, etc., anyone can get the "pulse" of a situation in real time. .......

.......I FIRMLY believe this website was mined for very much info by the DT. Remember our thread, something along the lines, "what would you tell the DT to improve their case?", not quoting that name directly, can't remember the exact title, but they would be IDIOTS not to have read that. All of the general threads are available for the world to read, and IMO, the DT read here, simple as that. I expected nothing less from them, and I am sure they were reading wherever else intelligent people were discussing this case.

This is just how the world rolls at this time...... for years Presidential candidates and those in office took daily "Gallup" polls, sometimes hourly polls, to see where the wind was blowing and to take the "pulse" of the nation, world, etc., now they can just tweet about it and read follow-up tweets, FB forums, etc., etc., etc.

IMO, MOO, etc.

<snipped for brevity and emphasis

Your whole post was terrific and ITA.

Are we forgetting JB's dramatic "gotcha" rolleyes question to Yuri, "Do you go by any other names, sir? How 'bout DickTracyOrlando?" referring to his WS screen name. Good lord, this site did crash after that came out in the trial. I remember it well..trust me on that. Ashton immediately objected because JB's ridiculous question asked on cross-exam was "beyond the scope" of the direct exam, but true to form, JB got it out there to try to cause jurors to doubt Yuri's credibility. Personally, I don't think it had the desired effect that JB hoped for.


In this day and age, I think it would be naive to think BOTH sides didn't peruse sites like WS, each for their own reasons. It was probably one of the smartest things the defense did - they could get a good pulse for how the general public perceived various players. This thread is a good example of why they could have decided George would be the fall guy. People have very diverse opinions about him and he was the perfect target to cast reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. Basically, after we had all of the info/evidence the discussion here was similar to a deliberation. Granted we were privy to a LOT more than the jury, but still...they got to get an idea of how potential jurors might argue certain points.

 

[Aedrys]

How do you know it's a fact? Can you provide a link?

It didn't take a rocket scientist to make up that defense. I don't think they needed any help.

IMO

I don't have links, but I was here for most of the time. I do know that at one point, Cindy Anthony was printing out WS posts. I think someone even found some in her trash (maybe that lady that took their trash one day, I don't know).

I also know that we'd say something on WS, and wouldn't you know it, the next day or so the defense was using it somehow. And I'm talking using the same exact wording we used here. It was really creepy sometimes, and it happened a LOT. Heck, I won't name names, but it seemed like interns or members of the defense team posted here at times. I don't know that for a fact, but we speculated that they did based on some of the posts and discussions/arguments that took place. Like I said, I don't have links, but I fully believe the defense and even the prosecution was reading here. The defense was highly obvious about it while the prosecution wasn't.

I wouldn't be surprised if WS was used in helping to come up with the defense they used - in terms of getting a pulse about what people were talking about here and what they thought would work at trial based on what was said here. I think they came up with the meat of the defense themselves, then maybe checked here to see if it matched up enough to what people were talking about and arguing over when it came to George in particular, and also the drowning. My gosh, the drowning argument I don't think ever went away. There are so many intense, intelligent, and well thought out threads and posting here that why wouldn't the defense be reading here?

WS was a tool for them. It was also a tool for the prosecution too. And honestly, the defense just got lucky. The stars aligned with a bad defense and a jury stupid enough to buy it. Heck, I remember being a little sick and wondering if WS somehow helped in getting Casey acquitted inadvertently because the defense read here. I don't even like to think about that, but it's possible.

 

[logicalgirl]

I don't have links, but I was here for most of the time. I do know that at one point, Cindy Anthony was printing out WS posts. I think someone even found some in her trash (maybe that lady that took their trash one day, I don't know).

I also know that we'd say something on WS, and wouldn't you know it, the next day or so the defense was using it somehow. And I'm talking using the same exact wording we used here. It was really creepy sometimes, and it happened a LOT. Heck, I won't name names, but it seemed like interns or members of the defense team posted here at times. I don't know that for a fact, but we speculated that they did based on some of the posts and discussions/arguments that took place. Like I said, I don't have links, but I fully believe the defense and even the prosecution was reading here. The defense was highly obvious about it while the prosecution wasn't.

I wouldn't be surprised if WS was used in helping to come up with the defense they used - in terms of getting a pulse about what people were talking about here and what they thought would work at trial based on what was said here. I think they came up with the meat of the defense themselves, then maybe checked here to see if it matched up enough to what people were talking about and arguing over when it came to George in particular, and also the drowning. My gosh, the drowning argument I don't think ever went away. There are so many intense, intelligent, and well thought out threads and posting here that why wouldn't the defense be reading here?

WS was a tool for them. It was also a tool for the prosecution too. And honestly, the defense just got lucky. The stars aligned with a bad defense and a jury stupid enough to buy it. Heck, I remember being a little sick and wondering if WS somehow helped in getting Casey acquitted inadvertently because the defense read here. I don't even like to think about that, but it's possible.

Re your last paragraph Aedrys - This case was a first in several ways. It wasn't the first case were justice failed and probably won't be the last. I believe as posters that's out of our control. But it was hugely publicized in the media and the first case we know of where a media online expert - Ms Singer, boasted about following websites for indications of how the public was leaning with some of the key players besides OCA, and she made it very clear she did this work for the defense and the defense used it in shaping their case.

I'm a frustrated with the case as most others are, when we saw CA and GA lie, misrepresent and twist the facts of this case to benefit OCA and not in our eyes to support OCA. We know if they had told the truth this case would have had a different ending for justice and Caylee. I also think the defense continues to mine websites as an indication of when to "debut" OCA. And it's hard sometimes, as we talk amongst ourselves. to remember this is a public forum, and our words can be used in a manner we did not intend them to be used. The focus of guilt when it comes to Caylee's murder, for me falls completely to OCA.That's all.

 

[atthelake]

Okay - this has gone way off point - so much so it's amazing..I said nothing in defense of George's lies, or in defense of everything he did and said that helped OCA from being convicted. I think he's absolutely guilty of all of those things.

I just don't see anything wrong with discussing what's he's done or done don't. All I said was I wasn't comfortable with the name calling at this stage of the game. Name calling, not talking about the facts or the deeds.

But we seen to have marched down a trail that suggests I think George didn't do anything wrong. He did - a great deal IMO.

It's really come to a why bother end of the hallway.:banghead:

The entire Anthony family walked to the end of the hall IMHO! The more time goes by, the more I am adamant in my belief as I'm finding others are also!

 

[atthelake]

I'm not a psychiatrist, a psychologist, a doctor, a lawyer (or a chemist!), but I come from a long line of screwed up people and I know screwed up when I see it. The Anthonys are royally screwed up. Lying is as normal to all of them as breathing is to everyone else. Their family crest probably says "Deny, Deny, Deny." I've never seen anything like them, and FCA is the worst of the lot. But her parents are right there behind her.

Who picks up a car from an impound lot and - when confronted with the smell of death AND a missing granddaughter - goes immediately into massive coverup mode? Cindy's a nurse and George was a cop and they didn't KNOW that Caylee had been decomposing in the trunk and that Casey killed her and then disposed of her? Please. Don't buy it and never will.

A very bad seed sprouted that whole family tree of messed up, lying, psycho freaks. For folks who say they are happy the Anthonys are moving on with their lives, I say, "Bullcarp!" Casey's a murderer and her mother, father and brother are accessories after the fact. The whole lot should be in the slammer.

And now they're living off their murdered granddaughter! That goes so far beyond the pale that I can barely wrap my mind around it.

Listen, I'm no rent-a-shrink but that is just MESSED UP. It's wrong in every way imaginable. The karma train can't run over this group fast enough to suit me.

Apologies for the rant.
:twocents:

So much agree that now, more than ever before and building every day, is that the family in it's ENTIRETY are contributors to this travesty of justice. Cindy and George - own it too now.

 

[atthelake]

Ashton was kind to both CA and GA post trial. We could at least meet him on George, don't you think?

In a word - No. Not for either one in after the fact contributing for FCA to walk.

 

[Tricia]

Pass the word. Dr. Keith Ablow is going to be on Websleuths Radio tonight 8 PM Eastern.

Listen here

 

[logicalgirl]

In a word - No. Not for either one in after the fact contributing for FCA to walk.

The basis of this conversation is who killed Caylee. WHO killed Caylee! Not who was psychologically unfit to step up and admit what Casey did.

Dr. Ablow is one who can't collect his thoughts and connect the evidence in totality to come to this conclusion. Casey Anthony killed her daughter Caylee Anthony.

I am NOT speaking about who contributed to her walking. I am speaking of who contributed to Caylee's death. Dr. Ablow leaves it conveniently "out there". I do not. Get it?

Dr. Ablow perpetuates the myth that George was involved in the events and the killing of Caylee. Why assist him with that thought.

 

[vlpate]

What Dr. Ablow had to say in this book could have been said in an article. jmo

He's a FOX News correspondent. His job is to inflame and cause alarm and ire in his viewers. He's in the company of Glenn Beck, Megan Kelley, and Sean Hannity. My mother loves Jose Baez and thinks EVERYONE in the free world believes George Anthony molested Casey and probably molested Caylee and then killed her. Why does she think this? The same reason she loves Newt Gingrich and thinks Sarah Palin is not running because she wants to spend time with her family - Fox News - 24/7.

She and I had an argument last night - she said Juror #11 even said the jury believed, unanimously, that GA molested Casey and that's why she blocked out those 31 days and kept in in until 6 weeks before the trial. I told her she was wrong - in Megan Kelly fashion, she started YELLING over me and throwing in the expensive cruise they took two days after Caylee was found and the massive amounts of money they made off Caylee by selling pictures - and for some reason mentioned GA's earring (didn't know that) - then she said, just for backup, that my brother and 2 Aunts believe GA molested Casey and Caylee also! I managed to get in, "I'm not surprised", at which point she, in Megan Kelly fashion, cut my mic. She said, "see if THIS surprises you", and hung up in my face, LOL. So I googled Fox and Ablow and found out he is a correspondent for FOX - and then I watched a few interviews. Yep, there's my answer...and there's her source....again, no surprise.

Ablow probably doesn't think George molested Casey at all - but he probably sold a chit ton of books to the wookies who watch him....and made a couple of bucks on, what someone said here, could have been an article.

 

[jon_burrows]

In a word - No. Not for either one in after the fact contributing for FCA to walk.

ITA - The family turned their back on Caylee and she will never get justice. Lies, lies, and more lies should be the name of their book.

The As helped free a killer. They must be so proud. Heaven help FCA's next child or next victim.

IMO

 

[logicalgirl]

Dr. Keith Ablow - May I introduce you to Dr. Laura Schultz - licensed psychotherapist who has been practising for the last 25 years...

http://www.crimemagazine.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial-modern-american-tragedy
Dec. 5, 2011 - BY CLAUDETTE WALKER & MATRIX FILIA
Excerpts from the book at Link

Dr. Laura is a writer also....