Inside the Mind of Casey Anthony: A Psychological Portrait by Keith Ablow, MD

[Itsy]

I wish my dad was still alive so he could tell me what he thinks about Dr. Albow's opinion (dad was a licensed counselor, which I've posted about elsewhere here). I'd post what he said in a NY minute, as I'm 100% sure what he'd have to say...

 

[vlpate]

One of the things KA said last night was that GA's dad was an orphan - did we know that?

 

[logicalgirl]

One of the things KA said last night was that GA's dad was an orphan - did we know that?

Yes, wasn't his mother also? or was that GA's grandparents....where Dr. Ablow's theories all start..

 

[logicalgirl]

I wish my dad was still alive so he could tell me what he thinks about Dr. Albow's opinion (dad was a licensed counselor, which I've posted about elsewhere here). I'd post what he said in a NY minute, as I'm 100% sure what he'd have to say...

Itsy, if you look at my post #120 - there is a link to Dr. Laura on it - she writes a fairly lengthy synopsis with a summary in it - I found it very interesting and much more palliative.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I liked the discussion about enabling as it helped me see my BF's family a bit clearer .. But then does that absolve Casey of any guilt or explain her actions? Hell no. No more than I would excuse my BF for anything he as a full grown adult has done, I don't even think it explains it ..no new insights, no new info, and a few false rumours tossed out into the mix to muddy the waters. Still awaiting intelligent dialogue on this topic. So far all here at websleuths are doing a better job than any of the so called experts. Way to go team!!

 

[logicalgirl]

I liked the discussion about enabling as it helped me see my BF's family a bit clearer .. But then does that absolve Casey of any guilt or explain her actions? Hell no. No more than I would excuse my BF for anything he as a full grown adult has done, I don't even think it explains it ..no new insights, no new info, and a few false rumours tossed out into the mix to muddy the waters. Still awaiting intelligent dialogue on this topic. So far all here at websleuths are doing a better job than any of the so called experts. Way to go team!!

I agree - a discussion about enabling makes a heck of a lot more sense to me than standing up and declaring all the fault lies with OCA's ancestors FGS - it just makes a joke of any concept that we can be our own person and not be tarred by whatever our family did before us. And the flip side of that is - if we have a parent who has made a huge success of themselves in one area or another, then we automatically will do that also - we have no choice in the matter, and we've seen how well that works in this world - not at all!

 

[Intermezzo]

One of the things KA said last night was that GA's dad was an orphan - did we know that?

I don't remember any mention of the Anthony side of the family, unless I missed it
I thought he was talking about Cindy's father, Alex, who's mother had died and soon after that his father put the children in an orphanage...He also said that Shirley's (Cindy's mother) father abandoned his wife and children.

 

[Intermezzo]

Yes, wasn't his mother also? or was that GA's grandparents....where Dr. Ablow's theories all start..

I believe it was with the Plesea (Cindy's parents) grandparents..I don't remember any mention of the Anthony grandparents or that side of the family mentioned..
Does he speak of them (the Anthony side) in his book?

 

[Well Done 99]

I agree - a discussion about enabling makes a heck of a lot more sense to me than standing up and declaring all the fault lies with OCA's ancestors FGS - it just makes a joke of any concept that we can be our own person and not be tarred by whatever our family did before us. And the flip side of that is - if we have a parent who has made a huge success of themselves in one area or another, then we automatically will do that also - we have no choice in the matter, and we've seen how well that works in this world - not at all!

Dr Ablow must have beamed from ear to ear when Casey Anthony appeared on his radar.
It seems he has written a book about somebody who he has conveniently been able to slot into a theory he always espoused and believed (and indeed used before), rather than formulating some new theory based on any real analysis of that person.
I cannot subscribe to his theory in any way. Where does it end - 15th Century England? Whether GA was in the birthing room or not did not make Casey Anthony a child murderer. Admittedly she may have displayed tendencies that were overlooked or ignored, and was thereby effectively enabled, but she did not 'learn' or 'inherit' the ability to kill from her parents. I've been no defender of GA and CA's behaviour since the event, but that behaviour has nothing to do with WHO killed Caylee. After all they didn't kill Casey when she was a toddler or, as far as we know, anyone.

 

[krkrjx]

I liked the discussion about enabling as it helped me see my BF's family a bit clearer .. But then does that absolve Casey of any guilt or explain her actions? Hell no. No more than I would excuse my BF for anything he as a full grown adult has done, I don't even think it explains it ..no new insights, no new info, and a few false rumours tossed out into the mix to muddy the waters. Still awaiting intelligent dialogue on this topic. So far all here at websleuths are doing a better job than any of the so called experts. Way to go team!!

Enabling allows people to think they can get away with whatever they want. KC certainly was enabled. She learned early on that lying works for her so she honed her lying skills. GA knew Casey was lying left and right but in the end he bought whatever she said so as to not make waves and get CA and/or KC riled up. His life was easier if he didn't get them riled up.

The thing KC hadn't really considered was that LE was not going to buy into whatever she said. I firmly believe that she went into this believing that she could charm LE. After all, no one in her life so far had ever seen through her. JG had been charmed. TL had been charmed. CA was genuinely in awe of KC, belieivng her to be "so beautiful."

None of this excuses murder. What's even worse is that when people publish books or make public statements excusing KC's behaviors, they too are enabling her. She will never learn a lesson from what she has been through if her ego is constantly stroked by people who believe she was/is a victim. There is no evidence whatsoever that GA molested KC or Caylee, yet some people choose to believe it. There is much evidence that KC murdered Caylee, yet some people choose to excuse it.

 

[Camille]

<snipped for brevity and emphasis

Your whole post was terrific and ITA.

Are we forgetting JB's dramatic "gotcha" rolleyes question to Yuri, "Do you go by any other names, sir? How 'bout DickTracyOrlando?" referring to his WS screen name. Good lord, this site did crash after that came out in the trial. I remember it well..trust me on that. Ashton immediately objected because JB's ridiculous question asked on cross-exam was "beyond the scope" of the direct exam, but true to form, JB got it out there to try to cause jurors to doubt Yuri's credibility. Personally, I don't think it had the desired effect that JB hoped for.


In this day and age, I think it would be naive to think BOTH sides didn't peruse sites like WS, each for their own reasons. It was probably one of the smartest things the defense did - they could get a good pulse for how the general public perceived various players. This thread is a good example of why they could have decided George would be the fall guy. People have very diverse opinions about him and he was the perfect target to cast reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. Basically, after we had all of the info/evidence the discussion here was similar to a deliberation. Granted we were privy to a LOT more than the jury, but still...they got to get an idea of how potential jurors might argue certain points.

The defense got a whole lot of free consultation from the web site and many others. No doubt in my mind about that.

 

[logicalgirl]

Enabling allows people to think they can get away with whatever they want. KC certainly was enabled. She learned early on that lying works for her so she honed her lying skills. GA knew Casey was lying left and right but in the end he bought whatever she said so as to not make waves and get CA and/or KC riled up. His life was easier if he didn't get them riled up.

The thing KC hadn't really considered was that LE was not going to buy into whatever she said. I firmly believe that she went into this believing that she could charm LE. After all, no one in her life so far had ever seen through her. JG had been charmed. TL had been charmed. CA was genuinely in awe of KC, belieivng her to be "so beautiful."

None of this excuses murder. What's even worse is that when people publish books or make public statements excusing KC's behaviors, they too are enabling her. She will never learn a lesson from what she has been through if her ego is constantly stroked by people who believe she was/is a victim. There is no evidence whatsoever that GA molested KC or Caylee, yet some people choose to believe it. There is much evidence that KC murdered Caylee, yet some people choose to excuse it.

BBM: Well said. Although my personal belief is that it is too late for OCA. When you get away with murder, you must believe in your "heart" that you are invincible.
Agree also that there is no excuse for the excuses excusing OCA!

 

[Solace]

After all, no one in her life so far had ever seen through her. JG had been charmed.

Not so. Her best friend Ryan Paisley said "everyone knew KC was a liar".

Also, I don't know what anyone expects KC to learn - she is a sociopath - and a boring one at that. Do you actually expect her to learn a lesson from something that she does not admit.

CA was not, imo, in awe of KC. She told Ryan Paisley to stay away from her because KC is a sociopath. Cindy knew she should take the baby away but she was afraid of the outcome and I am sure she has said "if only I had" a zillion times.

Cindy was very happy that KC was pregnant; she wanted a baby. She was almost 50 and her life was not wha she had expected with George and KC (a sociopathic daughter); so she wanted a baby and was very happy when KC was pregnant.

She just never expected KC to kill the baby.

 

[krkrjx]

Everyone knew KC was a liar but I think none were aware of the extent of her lies. Her friends thought she was a good mom even though I believe her demeanor around Caylee was whatever it needed to be in front of people--essentially a lie. I wonder though how Caylee was treated by her mom when no one was around. And even though CA called KC a liar and a sociopath and an unfit mother, she usually said it in the heat of the moment and soon after forgave KC for whatever trespasses, even murdering her daughter.

 

[Solace]

Lee apparently knew the extent of her lies, as he is taped with Tony, her boyfriend, and Lee's words were "she is a pro" (meaning at stealing and writing checks, etc.

Everyone knew she was a liar and that is why she changed friends so often. Amy and Tony were a relatively "new" set of friends. The previous ones had basically dropped her after her continuous lying. If you read the transcripts, her friends said her mother was constantly on her about coming home and taking care of Caylee; they fought daily about it. Apparently, there were many "heats of the moment" with them.

CA did not want to lose two "daughters". So yes, she lied for her and she forgave her. Many mothers would do the same and are doing it as we speak.

The person to blame for this murder is KC - she is the one who killed her child. IMO. CA let many things slide, but she never expected a murder. KC is the one responsible. IMO.

 

[Oakley]

Respectfully snipped:

He's a FOX News correspondent. His job is to inflame and cause alarm and ire in his viewers.

I have come, through reading on here, to truly despise the media. They are just horrid.

But back to DR A and his 'theories' - I find it highly ironic that a man whose life work consists of analyzing and dissecting other's lives under a microscope is now in the position of having that microscope turned in his direction. Ah, the irony is rich!

 

[krkrjx]

Lee apparently knew the extent of her lies, as he is taped with Tony, her boyfriend, and Lee's words were "she is a pro" (meaning at stealing and writing checks, etc.

Everyone knew she was a liar and that is why she changed friends so often. Amy and Tony were a relatively "new" set of friends. The previous ones had basically dropped her after her continuous lying. If you read the transcripts, her friends said her mother was constantly on her about coming home and taking care of Caylee; they fought daily about it. Apparently, there were many "heats of the moment" with them.

CA did not want to lose two "daughters". So yes, she lied for her and she forgave her. Many mothers would do the same and are doing it as we speak.

The person to blame for this murder is KC - she is the one who killed her child. IMO. CA let many things slide, but she never expected a murder. KC is the one responsible. IMO.

Yes, Lee knew KC's lying capabilities. And maybe even GA if he ever stopped walking on eggs around KC and CA long enough to really see what was happening. I also think CA's brother RP saw KC's true colors long ago.

But KC lied many times over to many people in many situations. And a lot of them fell for it, even the ones who knew she was lying about certain things had no clue of the degree of her lies and probably thought her lying was harmless. And I think KC counted on that, and played everyone for as long as she could.

Yes, KC and KC alone is responsible for Caylee's murder. I hope I have not been misunderstood to the point of looking like I ever thought otherwise.

The point I have been trying to make is that KC was enabled for a long time and by many people, some maybe not even aware that they were actually enabling her. And she still is being enabled...by her former and current defense attorneys, by those keeping her, and by people like Albow.

 

[logicalgirl]

Yes, Lee knew KC's lying capabilities. And maybe even GA if he ever stopped walking on eggs around KC and CA long enough to really see what was happening. I also think CA's brother RP saw KC's true colors long ago.

But KC lied many times over to many people in many situations. And a lot of them fell for it, even the ones who knew she was lying about certain things had no clue of the degree of her lies and probably thought her lying was harmless. And I think KC counted on that, and played everyone for as long as she could.

Yes, KC and KC alone is responsible for Caylee's murder. I hope I have not been misunderstood to the point of looking like I ever thought otherwise.

The point I have been trying to make is that KC was enabled for a long time and by many people, some maybe not even aware that they were actually enabling her. And she still is being enabled...by her former and current defense attorneys, by those keeping her, and by people like Albow.

Yes, I absolutely agree with you! The point I've been trying to make is that Dr. Ablow wasn't presenting his ideas as enabling, he was presented them to excuse OCA from her behavior. And there are many who would read his words and say - yes - I knew it wasn't OCA - It's GA's fault, it's CA's fault - maybe they did it and not OCA - after all nobody saw the duct tape being applied and so on:banghead:. And not understand as you have that Dr. Ablow is simply another enabler.

You have made my point beautifully above - thank you!

 

[krkrjx]

[/B]

Yes, I absolutely agree with you! The point I've been trying to make is that Dr. Ablow wasn't presenting his ideas as enabling, he was presented them to excuse OCA from her behavior. And there are many who would read his words and say - yes - I knew it wasn't OCA - It's GA's fault, it's CA's fault - maybe they did it and not OCA - after all nobody saw the duct tape being applied and so on:banghead:. And not understand as you have that Dr. Ablow is simply another enabler.

You have made my point beautifully above - thank you!

BBM: Exactly!! Ablow is enabling her. It's very clear to anyone who knows the meaning of "enabling." And it doesn't matter that he is not aware or won't admit that he is KC's latest enabler.

 

[logicalgirl]

BBM: Exactly!! Ablow is enabling her. It's very clear to anyone who knows the meaning of "enabling." And it doesn't matter that he is not aware or won't admit that he is KC's latest enabler.

Yes, thank you for making that point so clearly!:tyou: