Interview with Maya D at Lowell...

[Woe.be.gone]

Depending how credible SA feels she is is what is important. Afterall, Maya will have 26 years of prison ahead of her to serve. Not really an incentive to change her story. Unless her story is airtight I don't think they will use her either. But then we just don't know and LE/SA do not have to tell us.

But think about it if Maya testimony follows TMc's, how strong that will make Maya's testimony appear. JMO

Then are we to believe that KC used the shovel to get the ladder out of the pool? Tracy testified that KC said that as well.

See how this goes?

 

[LambChop]

Then are we to believe that KC used the shovel to get the ladder out of the pool? Tracy testified that KC said that as well.

See how this goes?

You know I'm still not clear on that. Was that when they were all together, CA, KC and TMc and CA was throwing out excuses i.e. the bamboo roots, etc.???

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM-Unfortunately, I think the defense might hang that on Ricardo, since he had the chloroform reference on his PC-ie., Casey had that in her head because she saw RM's computer.
For every issue KC has found herself in with the people around her, the defense will spin it so that is is only situational-Since the state is working in pieces, I think the defense will try to spread those pieces out, rather than letting the state link them.
It won't work, but I still think that's how they'll 'explain' her chloroform reference to Tracey.

Plus as AZ Lawyer has pointed out on another thread, chloroform had been a subject on several shows around that same time - General Hospital is the primary show that comes to mind but there is another show that was uncovered to have a chloroform theme as well.
See Chloroform thread please if interested.

 

[21merc7]

My daughter gave Bendryl to her son once when he was ill per order of the doctor. He was up all night wanting to party. It sometimes does not have the desired affects. jmo

Does the same thing to me and I am no infant, so does nyquil, alkaseltzer cold plus, oh heck, all that cold stuff. Just wires me up as if I had been coffee and alcohol at the same time.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

You know I'm still not clear on that. Was that when they were all together, CA, KC and TMc and CA was throwing out excuses i.e. the bamboo roots, etc.???

We'd better not go off topic. My point is though how hard it is to rely on peoples' testimony. I believe KC talked/mentioned in front of Tracy both topics. One would be good for the Defense and one would be good for the Prosecution depending on how it's presented, etc.

Bottom line is that nobody knows what to believe about what KC (or her parents) say so how do you pick and choose? It's more than likely not the person testifying who is making this stuff up (except we know that, from what we've read so far, Maya has not told LE about rags and chloroform).

 

[LambChop]

We'd better not go off topic. My point is though how hard it is to rely on peoples' testimony. I believe KC talked/mentioned in front of Tracy both topics. One would be good for the Defense and one would be good for the Prosecution depending on how it's presented, etc.

Bottom line is that nobody knows what to believe about what KC (or her parents) say so how do you pick and choose? It's more than likely not the person testifying who is making this stuff up (except we know that, from what we've read so far, Maya has not told LE about rags and chloroform).

Plus the true test will be if SA is planning on using her, defense can depose her. If she is lying, they will certainly know. I would not want to face CM. LOL

 

[ZsaZsa]

He also says that report is a synopsis of what she said and he does say she told him KC said she used to "knock Caylee out" so perhaps there is more detail in the actual sworn transcript?

Yes, exactly. My first clue that this was not the complete report was when I read the title- is says ' Supplemental report'.

Maya tells KB she did tell LE about the drug but did not use its name (Chloroform) because she could not pronounce it. That sounds pretty straight forward to me. If you watch her closely as she says that it does appear that it's a tongue twister to her and she looks embarrassed by it.
I think it will all be clear when the complete report is available. She didn't call them, which would put her self at risk in the prison community, just to let them know that KC was a self absorbed lying b***h. They already knew that.

 

[LinasK]

Curious. When English is not your first language do you think in your native tongue? Anyone hear bi-lingual? I mean if you have spent the first 8 years of your life in your homeland move to another country but speak with family in your native language, how do you reason, think...in English or your "mother" tongue????

English is my 1st language, but I studied Linguistics in college and many languages, and yes native speakers do think in their native language, then translate to the other language.

 

[ZsaZsa]

In regards to Lillian Glass....I dont read her opinions, because I tend not to listen to the opinions of those who are dependant on viewer ratings, and there seem to be enough of those that have stepped into this case.

In regards to the report. It would be difficult for me to believe that LE conveniently left out the part that coincides with Maya telling about the rag. Not when they went out of their way to include parts from the actual sworn interview and subsequent transcript that contradict this part she added into her Belich interview. I am hoping the next document dump will include Mayas complete transcript, until then I am only going off the official portions from her interview that were included in the report.

ETA: A quick google search about Lillian Glass, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth about her "credentials" on any subject matter!

The point being that you do not know what it is in the complete report, what has been left out, or why. You only see what they chose to publish in the supplemental report.
There is a huge amount of discovery that we're all on tenterhooks waiting to see.

 

[nort]

Really? Where did you read that? (I know, I hate that question).
We know Maya confessed because it's on tape but not until October 15, 2007, nine months of being in jail for carjacking.

In case anybody wants to know, I found out the sentences of the two men.
One, AL, was sentenced to premeditated 1st Degree Murder and sentenced to life in prison on 1/22/09.

The other man, DT, was sentenced to Homicide Manslaughter and received 15 years with a release date of 10/11/22 (subject to time off for good behavior).

I read a bunch of stuff yesterday on this topic I will look for the article and try my first attemp to attach it to my post. Wish me luck..

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I happen to coincidentally have an insight into this very thing. When I was seven years old my father married a woman from Bogota Columbia, South America. They were only married for about 4 years. BUT during that 4 years I became utterly fluent in Spanish, due to the fact that we had a Spanish speaking God Mother to my step mother's child who lived in the home with us. She spoke NO English and I spent a great deal of my time with her. She taught me her language and as I became fluent I attemtpted to teach her mine. She was, however, over 70 at that time, so her learning did not progress at the rate that mine did. My step-mothers family had many many gatherings and there was a little girl relative my own age, Teresa, and she and I were fast friends. The family was always asking for me to speak in their language so fluent I had become that it impressed them. BUT-I thought in English for sure. I even related the Spanish to English when I was composing it in my mind.

My father and this woman were later divorced (they had married only to secure her citizenship apparently, but he wasn't in on the secret! lol) and as the years rolled by I slowly lost that language as it was not in everyday use. I did take Spanish in High School and passed with flying colors and still recall many phrases, etc but the fluency is long since past. I do recall speaking that language though...so I hope that offers a bit of insight, considering English is MY first language...

My Nana came to America when she was 16 years old. By the time she was 70 she still sported a strong Scandanavian accent but was taxed when having to carry a conversation in Norwegian. She worked her whole life talking to people using English with few daily Norwegian encounters.

It would be interesting to compare if my Nana had come here at age seven (according to Maya she would have been seven - depending on the month she arrived in 1996, born January 1989), if she would have maintained such a strong accent. No way to conduct that experiment - ha!

Anyone come to this country or go to another when you were seven or eight years old? My son's gf's parents both have strong Spanish accents (dad has trouble speaking English) but their daughter's accent is undetectible. They travel to Mexico at least twice a year. I'll have to ask her her exact age when they came to America - I guess I never have. :waitasec:

 

[LinasK]

Yes, exactly. My first clue that this was not the complete report was when I read the title- is says ' Supplemental report'.

Maya tells KB she did tell LE about the drug but did not use its name (Chloroform) because she could not pronounce it. That sounds pretty straight forward to me. If you watch her closely as she says that it does appear that it's a tongue twister to her and she looks embarrassed by it.
I think it will all be clear when the complete report is available. She didn't call them, which would put her self at risk in the prison community, just to let them know that KC was a self absorbed lying b***h. They already knew that.

I agree, I don't see what we're so worked up about Maya possibly lying about here... big deal that she attempts to say Chloroform in one place, but doesn't elsewhere, she says "knockout drug", which is exactly what Chloroform is! It's only an interview with a reporter, not a police interrogation or cross-examination. She can always take a polygraph about this subject.
I think the discrepancy is because English isn't her 1st language, and she wasn't familiar with the name of the drug Chloroform or how to pronounce it (and she's self-conscious about that fact). She dropped out of school at 13, and spent her time doing drugs and learning gang-speak. I'm not at all surprised she can't pronounce it.:snooty:
Also I independently came to many of the same conclusions about Maya's body language that Lillian Glass did, and that is that Maya exhibits truthfulness in this regard.
One more thing... if Casey willing told Tracy McLaughlin Chloroform was a knockout drug, why wouldn't she tell Maya that?

 

[LinasK]

My Nana came to America when she was 16 years old. By the time she was 70 she still sported a strong Scandanavian accent but was taxed when having to carry a conversation in Norwegian. She worked her whole life talking to people in English with few daily Norwegian encounters.

It would be interesting to compare if my Nana had come here at age seven (according to Maya she would have been seven - depending on the month she arrived in 1996, born January 1989), if she would have maintained such a strong accent. No way to conduct that experiment - ha!

Anyone come to this country or go to another when you were seven or eigtht years old? My son's gf's parents both have strong Spanish accents (dad has trouble speaking English) but their daughter's accent is undetectible. They travel to Mexico at least twice a year. I'll have to ask her her exact age when they came to America - I guess I never have. :waitasec:

Yes, my daughter's best friend moved here from Ireland at age 7, two years ago. Both parents have strong accents, the children 9 & under do not.

 

[logicalgirl]

Maybe she was looking for exposure for all the good she has done in jail. Its very easy to not be seen as anything other than a number in the prison system. When her parole rolls around perhaps after some conversation they will remember her and her participation in this "confession of Caseys". It would appear she wanted all of her good to be exposed and get noticed and it worked for her. IMO

And trade it for a bigger reputation for being a snitch? I dunno :waitasec: Thirty years is a long time to hold that title.

 

[logicalgirl]

I'm having a flashback. When KB was interviewing MD, she asks her, did you mention chloroform in your sworn statement? That's when Maya begins to sputter stuff about pronunciation and other excuses.

KB begins to page her notes. At that point, I bet you KB realized she did not have a story. KB must have realized then that things weren't matching up - I'm sure she went in prepared and knew exactly what is written in the report.

Would KB really release those interviews if she didn't have a story after the fiasco with River's sister?

 

[ZsaZsa]

My Nana came to America when she was 16 years old. By the time she was 70 she still sported a strong Scandanavian accent but was taxed when having to carry a conversation in Norwegian. She worked her whole life talking to people in English with few daily Norwegian encounters.

It would be interesting to compare if my Nana had come here at age seven (according to Maya she would have been seven - depending on the month she arrived in 1996, born January 1989), if she would have maintained such a strong accent. No way to conduct that experiment - ha!

Anyone come to this country or go to another when you were seven or eigtht years old? My son's gf's parents both have strong Spanish accents (dad has trouble speaking English) but their daughter's accent is undetectible. They travel to Mexico at least twice a year. I'll have to ask her her exact age when they came to America - I guess I never have. :waitasec:

Not exactly, but I can almost relate. I am English and for a long time I had to convert what I wanted to say in English English to American English- does that make sense? It is not the same language....:innocent: I still think in my original English, and revert to it on the phone with family, or visiting..
I am sure she speaks her native language with her family, so she does not lose the accent as quickly as someone who is immersed in English and rarely hears her own native language.

 

[LinasK]

Not exactly, but I can almost relate. I am English and for a long time I had to convert what I wanted to say in English English to American English- does that make sense? It is not the same language....:innocent: I still think in my original English, and revert to it on the phone with family, or visiting..
I am sure she speaks her native language with her family, so she does not lose the accent as quickly as someone who is immersed in English and rarely hears her own native language.

Yes! Got it. You mean British English, or the King's English.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Would KB really release those interviews if she didn't have a story after the fiasco with River's sister?

That was my first reaction on viewing this tape. KB is NOT going to jeopardize her reputation on this one, I feel quite sure. It took a bruising over the River Cruz story, but I have a feeling there was a Poly involved before they approached this interview.. JMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

So, now we are left with what DID KC tell Maya on this subject? I have no doubt, by the message she left the detectives that she was told something about KC "knocking Caylee out" but what she accomplished that with is another story entirely. Bendryl is as likely a candidate for accomplishing that task as chloroform, actually moreso, but I guess we will have to wait for her transcript in the end to be certain exactly what she did say. Until then...:waitasec:

Except now, considering the written testimony we have seen and her interview with KB, she will have cornered herself. Which is it? Tranquillizers? Chloroform? Benedryl? Zanax?

Here's a thought I've had - totally random - what if CA and KC gave Caylee a dose of something without knowing the other had? I don't know how many times I have to check to be sure my husband hasn't fed the dog (because for some reason he'll decide to sometimes :waitasec to be sure we're not over feeding her. So, what if they overdosed Caylee by both doing the same thing? Afterall, CA had been with Caylee all day and if Caylee woke up when KC came home - ??????

 

[LambChop]

Yes, my daughter's best friend moved here from Ireland at age 7, two years ago. Both parents have strong accents, the children 9 & under do not.[/QUOTE]

So who gets to tell KC...you or me???