Interview with Maya D at Lowell...

[nort]

:truce:

Thats funny .....I'm pretty new and have never seen that before

 

[magic-cat]

Thats funny .....I'm pretty new and have never seen that before

I like to call that one, I surrender all ready! lol

 

[Astraea]

:truce:

I have yet to see the "surrender" icon either (or maybe I have but didnt know its meaning until now). I hope you dont really feel under attack magic cat...not my intention certainly!! I would feel awful if you did!!

...sorry for the O/T post...just thought I should address that :innocent:

 

[magic-cat]

I have yet to see the "surrender" icon either (or maybe I have but didnt know its meaning until now). I hope you dont really feel under attack magic cat...not my intention certainly!! I would feel awful if you did!!

...sorry for the O/T post...just thought I should address that :innocent:

Not in the least...I felt defeated, entirely another feeling altogether...crawling back away to lick my wounds...

 

[magic-cat]

I have yet to see the "surrender" icon either (or maybe I have but didnt know its meaning until now). I hope you dont really feel under attack magic cat...not my intention certainly!! I would feel awful if you did!!

...sorry for the O/T post...just thought I should address that :innocent:

OT...and as a sidenote, let me express my deep appreciation for your graciousness in not coming back and letting me have it...very nice. :angel:

Slurking back away 'til I think of a way around this one...lol

 

[logicalgirl]

Those parts were taken from the transcript of LEs interview. The officer says so in that supplementary.


~*snipped by me from supplementary
Maya Derkovic said Casey Anthony never mentioned Caylee Anthony except when she made comments regretting having had a child. Maya Derkovic said the following: 2 Refer to transcript of Maya Derkovic page 4 line 20 to page 5 line 4. 3 Refer to transcript of Maya Derkovic page 11 lines 8-18. 4 Refer to transcript of Maya Derkovic page 12 lines 1-13.

There very well could be more detail in the sworn transcript, but I am going to assume the officer didnt change the Q& A section where he references the transcript.

You have done great work pointing this out, thank you. However I'm going to reserve judgement until I see the final final transcript. Call me a foolish believer and I'll nod yes, until or if the final light goes out.

 

[LambChop]

It will be interesting to find out if Maya is telling the truth because while KC was out on bail she discussed chloroform as a "knock out drug" with TMc, the person responsible for watching her while she was out on bail. If KC felt comfortable using the term with TMc what makes us think she would not confide in someone she could actually relate to, a young woman who also has killed. JMO

 

[shotgun09]

I also found Maya's interview with KB to be very compelling. She very possibly could be a credible witness. However, the state just doesn't need to take such a chance with another convicted felon on the stand. This young lady who admitted to the murder of another human being seems almost infatuated with the system NOW. Who is to say what she might decide to "say" in open court? Just too big of a risk bringing her in. All we really need is the 31 days anyway. Nope, we shouldn't use her.

 

[LambChop]

Depending how credible SA feels she is is what is important. Afterall, Maya will have 26 years of prison ahead of her to serve. Not really an incentive to change her story. Unless her story is airtight I don't think they will use her either. But then we just don't know and LE/SA do not have to tell us.

But think about it if Maya testimony follows TMc's, how strong that will make Maya's testimony appear. JMO

 

[shotgun09]

You're right LC, putting the two together might make it stick with a jury. I did forget about TMc's interview, where she also mentioned the word Chloroform. And, she can say the word, too! Hmmm more things to ponder

 

[Just Jayla]

You're right LC, putting the two together might make it stick with a jury. I did forget about TMc's interview, where she also mentioned the word Chloroform. And, she can say the word, too! Hmmm more things to ponder

BBM-Unfortunately, I think the defense might hang that on Ricardo, since he had the chloroform reference on his PC-ie., Casey had that in her head because she saw RM's computer.
For every issue KC has found herself in with the people around her, the defense will spin it so that is is only situational-Since the state is working in pieces, I think the defense will try to spread those pieces out, rather than letting the state link them.
It won't work, but I still think that's how they'll 'explain' her chloroform reference to Tracey.

 

[magic-cat]

The thing about this one little teeny tiny inconsistency in her statement? THAT is exactly the kind of hole the defense is looking to poke in the story. She IS very believable, and although she likely is telling the truth about the majority of things she has stated, if she is LYING about this one subject? Then all bets are off. And apparently from the line I quoted from the Supplemental Report it is obvious that she never discussed with LE WHAT exactly KC was "knocking Caylee out with". This matters because in her interview with Kathi Belich she states she did discuss it with them, but says she called it drugs...and then adds upon further prodding from the interviewer that she does think she told them about the rag.

Now could she be confused? Possibly...but confusion on the stand on THIS subject especially can be used to nullify everything else she says.

I am a person who does not like to be wrong, but when I am, I am quick to admit it (doesn't happen often lol ) and in this case? I will have to revise my earlier opinions because this does not appear to be the truth in the strictest sense of the word. She could have felt uncomfortable being pressed about it, because she could not properly pronounce the word, but the RAG thing? It is NOT in the supplemental report as far as I can tell, and if she did tell them that? Then I will revise and rethink and revisit again...But as of now? Looks like that little detail was not one that was included in her discussions with LE...could have been, but it is NOT apparent from the discovery that we have to this point.

 

[LambChop]

Curious. When English is not your first language do you think in your native tongue? Anyone hear bi-lingual? I mean if you have spent the first 8 years of your life in your homeland move to another country but speak with family in your native language, how do you reason, think...in English or your "mother" tongue????

 

[LambChop]

Dear, dear Magic-Cat. It is not that you don't like to be wrong, it is that you want the correct answers to begin with. Me, too. Just give me the answers not speculation. If it is, indeed, a fact it should be easy to prove. We all respect the facts. Speculation is just that, speculation. Thanks jmo

Anyone see Dr. Glass' comments on yesterday's news thread. Dr. Glass feels Maya is telling the truth by her body language. She is an expert on body language (not spelling though, no) and you don't have to be an expert to pick up certain body language signals.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

:waitasec:

I thought this thread was about our impressions of the interview Kathy did with Maya at Lowell? Our first gut feelings? Or interpretations if you don't like the words gut feelings.

Obviously it's time to do an indepth search rather than a cursory one, however based on our own belief system about people, our sense of optimism about rehabilitation and basic goodness, I think no matter what we find to justify our own beliefs, some will always believe it's a negative. Me? I can be quite the pollyanna until proven absolutely that I'm wrong.

Goodness, second chances, the power of transformation - yes, all possible. Probable? A project for another day would be to study statistics and stories of people who have/do transform AFTER they have lived a transformed life for some time. It takes time to alter one's heart and mind even when one has the best intentions imo. Old habits die hard.

I used to be a the Queen of Pollyannas. Now, I'm trying to put critical thinking to good use and proceed with caution because it's not always wise to take people at face value. There may be a con man waiting in the wings ready to pounce. Trust is a good thing when you know someone is trustworthy. Plus a little speculation or research does not threaten an honest person. I'd rather error on the side of caution.

 

[magic-cat]

Curious. When English is not your first language do you think in your native tongue? Anyone hear bi-lingual? I mean if you have spent the first 8 years of your life in your homeland move to another country but speak with family in your native language, how do you reason, think...in English or your "mother" tongue????

I happen to coincidentally have an insight into this very thing. When I was seven years old my father married a woman from Bogota Columbia, South America. They were only married for about 4 years. BUT during that 4 years I became utterly fluent in Spanish, due to the fact that we had a Spanish speaking God Mother to my step mother's child who lived in the home with us. She spoke NO English and I spent a great deal of my time with her. She taught me her language and as I became fluent I attemtpted to teach her mine. She was, however, over 70 at that time, so her learning did not progress at the rate that mine did. My step-mothers family had many many gatherings and there was a little girl relative my own age, Teresa, and she and I were fast friends. The family was always asking for me to speak in their language so fluent I had become that it impressed them. BUT-I thought in English for sure. I even related the Spanish to English when I was composing it in my mind.

My father and this woman were later divorced (they had married only to secure her citizenship apparently, but he wasn't in on the secret! lol) and as the years rolled by I slowly lost that language as it was not in everyday use. I did take Spanish in High School and passed with flying colors and still recall many phrases, etc but the fluency is long since past. I do recall speaking that language though...so I hope that offers a bit of insight, considering English is MY first language...

 

[LambChop]

Well, there you go. Thank you Magic-Cat for that. It would explain a lot about her statement and any pauses she might have made or her confusion with the names of drugs, etc. Time will tell. jmo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Anyone take into consideration that Maya ran away at 13, probably did not finish school so may not know what chloroform is. My 19 year old grandson does not know what it is. Of the two KC and Maya, Maya is the one who has told the truth so why would KC who lies (like a rug) be more credible than Maya.

Unless Maya took a polygraph I don't see her testimony coming in. But we shall see. JMO

Think about this Woe.
Maya was in a country at war. She came to this country as a refugee at the age of 8. She was a run-away on the streets by the time she was 13. She fell into prostitution as you say as a teen. She wound up in a gang and on drugs and murdered someone else by the time she was 17. There is a history there that explains a lot. There is insecurity and obvious adjustment difficulties. It is hard to tell WHAT her life was like before she came here, and as a refugee? It could not have been that great after she got here. Strange country. New language. ALL new people around her. Complete unfamiliarity with the culture and everything else. Those things taken in total can kind of explain how this girl wound up doing what she did. She was living a life of crime since the TENDER young age of 13. That does not lead to good places. You almost expect a person like that to mess up big time, although murder is WAY beyond messing up I know.

As far as her "testifying" against her compadres in crime? Well, to tell her story she had to tell theirs too didn't she? And she was 17 and facing murder charges AND the death penalty. I don't know of one single person, myself included, who would NOT testify against someone else who was involved in the crime for which I was facing DEATH. I would sing so loud they would hear me in the next county. I know we would all like to think, no, I would never do that, but when you are faced with the possibilty of being put to death? I doubt there is one of us here who would not fold against THAT and agree to do whatever we had to do to save our own skins. So she did what anyone would do in that situation. She saved herself. BUT she still got sentenced to THIRTY YEARS...that is nothing to sneeze at. Granted, it is nothing compared to the life she took, but she will be an almost 50 year old woman once she gets out. She will never have children of her own. She will miss her own brothers and sisters growing up. Her mother/father could die and likely will while she is behind bars. She did save her own neck, but in the same circumstance, so would almost anyone.

And why did I believe her? Everything about her said I am calm, I am cool, I am collected. I am not stumbling over my words. I am maintaining eye contact with the interviewer. I am not looking shiftily from side to side. I am not fidgeting and squirming in my seat. I am a muderer and I am telling the truth. That is what I got.

KC? Well, I am not just now getting acquainted with her. I have waded through so much crap that that girl has put out there that it isn't even funny. Her lies tell lies. Her stories evolve from week to week. HER demeanor says something different than Mayas for certain. Her behavior while she was out on bond, wearing the very sunglasses she had written the bad check for? THAT says to me, I am NOT sorry. The lack of a valid explanation of where is your child? ALL the lies she has strung us all along with. In the beginning? I gave her the benefit of the doubt and thought it may have been an accident and she freaked out. Over the fullness of the time we have been invetigating this case? I have no more doubt for her. I KNOW she is a liar flat out. I KNOW she did not give her daughter to any nanny. I KNOW she is not sorry and I KNOW that she, unlike Maya, even faced with "buckets of evidence" will never confess her crime. I honestly think she would almost rather die than tell the truth of what she did.

I truly hope that Maya uses her time in prison to grow spiritually, to obtain an education, to help other inmates 'see the light' of life and can rise as an example of 'how not to spend your youth in order to not end up in prison like me" example. I'm sorry for her that she has landed in prison but that is what happens when you kill someone. I'm not without compassion or hope for people who seek redemption. That's an internal job and there are people who can help you, encourage you.

That said, I don't find MD's testimony regarding what she claims that KC told her - that she used chloroform on a rag to knock Caylee out - credible. I read the Supplemental Report last night and nowhere in the written report does Maya testify using the name chloroform on a rag. Here's what she says:

Q - Well, what about what she used to knock Caylee out. Did she ever mention that to you?

A - No but I assume it's drugs because when somebody says knock out, it's drugs and a lot of times it's referred to like, any type of tran.. tranquilizers that will knock a person out make 'em go to sleep.'

Furthermore, in the body of the written report, the detective writes "Casey Anthony never mentioned what she used to put Caylee to sleep."

Signed by Yuri Melich and sworn by (cut off) on 12 March 2010

Therefore, I conclude that Maya never testified to LE under oath (like she said she may have to KB) using the word chloroform (or any close pronunciation).

Detectives went to Lowell on December 11, 2009 in order to interview Maya as she had left a voicemail for YM on December 10, 2009 regarding her communications with KC. YM and Mike Mason conducted "a sworn and recorded interview with Maya Derkovic." Pg. 4

The voicemail said "Casey Anthony told her how she used to "knock" Caylee Anthony out so she could go out." Pg. 2

Pdf pages 2 and 4 (written pages 13307 and 13309) Supplemental Report EID 002684.

 

[magic-cat]

I truly hope that Maya uses her time in prison to grow spiritually, to obtain an education, to help other inmates 'see the light' of life and can rise as an example of 'how not to spend your youth in order to not end up in prison like me" example. I'm sorry for her that she has landed in prison but that is what happens when you kill someone. I'm not without compassion or hope for people who seek redemption. That's an internal job and there are people who can help you, encourage you.

That said, I don't find MD's testimony regarding what she claims that KC told her - that she used chloroform on a rag to knock Caylee out - credible. I read the Supplemental Report last night and nowhere in the written report does Maya testify using the name chloroform on a rag. Here's what she says:

Q - Well, what about what she used to knock Caylee out. Did she ever mention that to you?

A - No but I assume it's drugs because when somebody says knock out, it's drugs and a lot of times it's referred to like, any type of tran.. tranquilizers that will knock a person out make 'em go to sleep.'

Furthermore, in the body of the written report, the detective writes "Casey Anthony never mentioned what she used to put Caylee to sleep."

Signed by Yuri Melich and sworn by (cut off) on 12 March 2010

Therefore, I conclude that Maya never testified to LE under oath (like she said she may have to KB) using the word chloroform (or any close pronunciation).

Detectives went to Lowell on December 11, 2009 in order to interview Maya as she had left a voicemail for YM on December 10, 2009 regarding her communications with KC. YM and Mike Mason conducted "a sworn and recorded interview with Maya Derkovic." Pg. 4

The voicemail said "Casey Anthony told her how she used to "knock" Caylee Anthony out so she could go out." Pg. 2

Pdf pages 2 and 4 (written pages 13307 and 13309) Supplemental Report EID 002684.

So, now we are left with what DID KC tell Maya on this subject? I have no doubt, by the message she left the detectives that she was told something about KC "knocking Caylee out" but what she accomplished that with is another story entirely. Bendryl is as likely a candidate for accomplishing that task as chloroform, actually moreso, but I guess we will have to wait for her transcript in the end to be certain exactly what she did say. Until then...:waitasec:

 

[logicalgirl]

Goodness, second chances the power of transformation - yes, all possible. Probable? A project for another day would be to study statistics and stories of people who have/do transform AFTER they have lived a transformed life for some time. It takes time to alter one's heart and mind even when one has the best intentions imo. Old habits die hard.

I used to be a the Queen of Pollyannas. Now, I'm trying to put critical thinking to good use and proceed with caution because it's not always wise to take people at face value. There may be a con man waiting in the wings ready to pounce. Trust is a good thing when you know someone is trustworthy. Plus a little speculation or research does not threaten an honest person. I'd rather error on the side of caution.

I'm all for critical thinking and analysis, but I believe in using it for facts rather than projection and speculation. We have no final documentation of the LE information, and until then I look at only what I am able to see.
Emotional reactions and intellectual reactions are both parts of a single final opinion. And this is an opinion thread IMO until we have more information then we can turn it into a fact thread.

Unlike Magic-Cat, :blowkiss:, I have no issue with being wrong with my opinion, as that is only what it is. And I feel free to have a number of incremental opinions on the way to a decision based on facts.