Interview with Maya D at Lowell...

[logicalgirl]

Just maybe they want Casey to get hers and if they can get her convicted they can all have a meet n greet. From the sounds of it Casey prances around and laughs at other inmates comments. Maybe its a conspiracy...and the welcome wagon is waiting. Just kidding folks.

I don't know if Casey will ever be in general population.

 

[logicalgirl]

I think she was already s snitch she testified against other gang members, her title was made long before this..IMO

Yes, I understand there are a few people on the thread who also think so but that is the whole purpose of being here - to discuss. And perhaps we will never never agree to come to the same conclusion.

 

[nort]

Yes, I read that too. Now here's the thing - if Maya confessed on October 15, 2007, how do we know why she did? Tolbert was already in jail too and the other guy, who is serving a life sentence, was involved too. Who knows who made the call - why would an anonymous call precede Maya's confession? Unless they used that as a cover for her at the time. All that I know is that they do have her confession on tape. Did it come before or after someone else alerted the police? Did DT talk first? Did Maya's mom call? Another gang member? The police know though - they know if she came to them of her own free will (as she says she did). Plus she stated that whoever called only gave her gang name and that she stepped up to the plate and said 'that be me'. If true, is that really offering a confession out of your own heart? When you go on the inmate site, they list all known alias and other names known for the prisoner. I'm thinking LE knew her gang name prior to her telling them 'Oh, Luda?, that's me.' LE may have strongly suggested to her that they knew and now she's using what unfolded afterward to her advantage.

Regrading the gang name it did not matter there were two people arrested for a carjacking (that was the clue) the police knew who those two people were tolbert and derkovic. The third man was arrested on his birthday at his home. So I think she confessed after being questioned after the tip came in. IMO

 

[nort]

Yes, I understand there are a few people on the thread who also think so but that is the whole purpose of being here - to discuss. And perhaps we will never never agree to come to the same conclusion.

If we all agreed we would have no websleuths..

 

[LinasK]

No I know I'm good just soooo frustrated trying to find it and post it.:banghead: Anyway I have read from woe be gone that Maya confessed 10/15 this call came in a week before the article according to the article and its dated 10/16 so by this time the police were already looking in her direction due to the carjacking tip. So her confession came a little too late for me to think it was out of the goodness of her heart and new found honesty. I commend her on her changes not bashing just sleuthing...

That's just it, they weren't looking in Maya's direction, they didn't know she was the gang member "Luda". They thought Maya was Angel's friend. The tip was Luda. Maya had to tell them she is Luda.

 

[nort]

I don't know if Casey will ever be in general population.

I was just kidding, kind of making fun of all this hoopla over if she lied or not I'm sure will find out in the end.

 

[LinasK]

I don't believe this woman at all. Did you see how she stumbled on saying the word chloroform? Chloro... Chlora... Come on now it was so contrived.

I agree, I don't see what we're so worked up about Maya possibly lying about here... big deal that she attempts to say Chloroform in one place, but doesn't elsewhere, she says "knockout drug", which is exactly what Chloroform is! It's only an interview with a reporter, not a police interrogation or cross-examination. She can always take a polygraph about this subject.
I think the discrepancy is because English isn't her 1st language, and she wasn't familiar with the name of the drug Chloroform or how to pronounce it (and she's self-conscious about that fact). She dropped out of school at 13, and spent her time doing drugs and learning gang-speak. I'm not at all surprised she can't pronounce it.:snooty:
Also I independently came to many of the same conclusions about Maya's body language that Lillian Glass did, and that is that Maya exhibits truthfulness in this regard.
One more thing... if Casey willing told Tracy McLaughlin Chloroform was a knockout drug, why wouldn't she tell Maya that?

Not at all!

 

[Astraea]

Sometimes facts are more important then opinions. It is fact that if you tattle on your fellow accomplices, you are known as a rat, a snitch, whatever you want to call it. It is also fact that someone tipped LE off about Maya and she plea bargained for a reduced sentence. It is also fact that her story has changed numerous times now. When I combine all these facts, and then add my opinion, she in no way whatsoever appears credible in her story.

I mean really...in her own statements that are quoted within the report we DO have, she contradicts herself. The detectives were the ones who included those contradictions in the supplementary. So the only way one could believe that Maya is telling the truth is to believe that the LE supplement is untruthful.

 

[nort]

That's just it, they weren't looking in Maya's direction, they didn't know she was the gang member "Luda". They thought Maya was Angel's friend. The tip was Luda. Maya had to tell them she is Luda.

The names did not matter in the tip I read about the caller never said a name just that two people involved in the murder were picked up within weeks of the killing in connection with the armed carjacking at chicasaw trail those two people were maya and tolbert. The police looked at their records and knew who to go talk to you in regards to this murder based on the tip they received KWIM. You may have read about another tip??

 

[quadlatte]

No, she gives her reason for not having said the word chloroform due to an inability to pronounce it properly. She says she did tell them she used drugs and she put it on a rag and put it on the baby's face. What drug goes on rags to make people go to sleep? Chloroform.

Without going back to check, I do seem to recall that MD did confirm to KB that she informed LE that KC put "drugs" on a rag.

If true, that trumps her ability, or lack thereof, the pronounce "chloroform".

I just wish more people who know little tidbits like this would come forward, but you would almost have to have a background squeaky clean enough to be president in order to be brave enough to put yourself out there.

KC has brought down so many, and it continues to "snowball"... :furious:

 

[logicalgirl]

Sometimes facts are more important then opinions. It is fact that if you tattle on your fellow accomplices, you are known as a rat, a snitch, whatever you want to call it. It is also fact that someone tipped LE off about Maya and she plea bargained for a reduced sentence. It is also fact that her story has changed numerous times now. When I combine all these facts, and then add my opinion, she in no way whatsoever appears credible in her story.

I mean really...in her own statements that are quoted within the report we DO have, she contradicts herself. The detectives were the ones who included those contradictions in the supplementary. So the only way one could believe that Maya is telling the truth is to believe that the LE supplement is untruthful.

My point here without wanting to go around and around is that perhaps your perception of facts are strung together one way, and my perception of how facts fit together are strung together another way. What is absolutely clear to one person is not so clear to another. I believe we must first look at our own belief system and what our underlying objective is, plus our perception of the facts when we come to our conclusions. That's why I think all posters do not agree.

 

[LinasK]

The names did not matter in the tip I read about the caller never said a name just that two people involved in the murder were picked up within weeks of the killing in connection with the armed carjacking at chicasaw trail those two people were maya and tolbert. The police looked at their records and knew who to go talk to you in regards to this murder based on the tip they received KWIM. You may have read about another tip??

I didn't read it, I watched Maya's interview. The words came from her own mouth. I just don't see why she would have reason to lie about leading herself to the cops. It happens, ever read the book, "Crime and Punishment"? It's about somebody who commits a murder and waits and waits to get caught, but never is. He has a guilty conscience and by the end of the book, turns himself in because he can't stand to live with himself and the fact he hasn't been punished for what he did.

 

[quadlatte]

You know I'm still not clear on that. Was that when they were all together, CA, KC and TMc and CA was throwing out excuses i.e. the bamboo roots, etc.???

Apologies since this is OT, but I think that the shovel was NOT used to handle Caylee at all - there would have been trace forensic evidence.

It is much more believable that she DID fish something out of the pool, but whatever it was did not have DNA... so the pool ladder or something of the sort works for me.:waitasec:

 

[ZsaZsa]

Except now, considering the written testimony we have seen and her interview with KB, she will have cornered herself. Which is it? Tranquillizers? Chloroform? Benedryl? Zanax?

Here's a thought I've had - totally random - what if CA and KC gave Caylee a dose of something without knowing the other had? I don't know how many times I have to check to be sure my husband hasn't fed the dog (because for some reason he'll decide to sometimes :waitasec to be sure we're not over feeding her. So, what if they overdosed Caylee by both doing the same thing? Afterall, CA had been with Caylee all day and if Caylee woke up when KC came home - ??????

I would be more suspicious if every account she gave of what happened was exactly the same, word for word each time...

 

[nort]

I didn't read it, I watched Maya's interview. The words came from her own mouth. I just don't see why she would have reason to lie about leading herself to the cops. It happens, ever read the book, "Crime and Punishment"? It's about somebody who commits a murder and waits and waits to get caught, but never is. He has a guilty conscience and by the end of the book, turns himself in because he can't stand to live with himself and the fact he hasn't been punished for what he did.

It just contradicts the article. Sounds like a great book....

 

[LambChop]

I do not think this judge will put up with any nonsence from either side. JMO

 

[logicalgirl]

I do not think this judge will put up with any nonsence from either side. JMO

Say what?

:40__s:

 

[nort]

Say what?

:40__s:

A shovel post came up too..although I agree this new judge probably wont..

 

[Astraea]

My point here without wanting to go around and around is that perhaps your perception of facts are strung together one way, and my perception of how facts fit together are strung together another way. What is absolutely clear to one person is not so clear to another. I believe we must first look at our own belief system and what our underlying objective is, plus our perception of the facts when we come to our conclusions. That's why I think all posters do not agree.

I do not disagree with this. In my post you have quoted I was clearly outlining those pieces of information that are undeniably fact. From these facts I went on to draw my personal conclusion.

I take no isssue when one has reached a different conclusion then my own. My issue arises when one distorts and/or ignores the known facts in order to support their own conclusion. One should not have reached a conclusion first before looking at the facts either. Maybe a hypotheses, but not a conclusion.

Facts are facts (until they change), how one places them together and reaches a conclusion is entirely up to the individual and their perceptions, yes.

 

[Harmony 2]

2007 interview with PBS Pat Duggins

http://www.wmfe.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7201&news_iv_ctrl=1541