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All the way back to biblical times, we read of their wars. It’s just always been. MooWhen was there NOT war in the Middle East?
All the way back to biblical times, we read of their wars. It’s just always been. MooWhen was there NOT war in the Middle East?
But isn't that exactly what seems to be happening? I don't seen any wholesale destruction of the Iranian infrastructure. Do you have links to information about infrastructure destruction? The goal seems to be to cut the head off to allow the people their chance. Revolutionary Guard unfortunately controls sooo much, and their capabilities have to be degraded . I suspect IRG will begin fading into the crowds now to save themselves.
It's been two days. Let's give it a couple of weeks and then see where we're at vis-a-vis goal attainment.I don't see this in the same way. It may have been different if this was a military operation that went in quick, wiped out the leaders, and left. Then used 'diplomacy' to help bring in another government.
What I don't like is turning their homeland into rubble. Because it will make it that much harder for any new govt to form. Civilians may actually hate the attackers for destroying their infrastructure.
imo
I don't know. In 2003 the US launched war against Iraq. Has the US waged war against other countries in the Middle least since then - other than the current war in Iran?When was there NOT war in the Middle East?
Cool, but please enlighten me…did the UK threaten to ‘take’ an allied territory and did the UK’s government leader disrespect US servicemen and women? Because if they did I must have missed itI don't view it as Spain siding with Iran. I do however view it as Spain not supporting the US. I think many in the US see it this way as well, and will remember.
Re: "many people in the UK and EU no longer view the US as a reliable ally", I think the feeling is mutual.
Jmo
I didn't get the impression that the US is getting people ready for a long war. The fact that most of Iran's neighbors are engaging Iranian assets now as well, that Lebanon is seeking the end of Hezbollah, etc that the entire region is ready for change in Iran. I don't think there will be a long US war here at all.I don't know. In 2003 the US launched war against Iraq. Has the US waged war against other countries in the Middle least since then - other than the current war in Iran?
I assumed it was understood that I was discussing US war in the Middle East.
I should have said: "It looks like the US government is gradually getting people comfortable with the idea of a long US war in the Middle East."
Gas on southeastern US Sun 2.69 today 3.09 per gallon.
I don’t mind paying 5.00 per gallon if Irans nuclear program is destroyed. I want my grandkids to have a safer future.
Moo
My comment specified that the US government initially said the US-Israel war against Iran could be over in less than 5 days, depending on killing the leader. Then, the timeline was expanded to 4-5 weeks. Now, it is announced that it could go much longer.I didn't get the impression that the US is getting people ready for a long war. The fact that most of Iran's neighbors are engaging Iranian assets now as well, that Lebanon is seeking the end of Hezbollah, etc that the entire region is ready for change in Iran. I don't think there will be a long US war here at all.
Preposterous, isn't it?Are you suggesting that we are letting missiles through on purpose? If so I will see myself out of this conversation because my son is currently working in missile defense shooting down Iranian missiles and drones and to suggest they would let some through ?
Calling someone a Nazi for expressing a different opinion isn't calm and reasonable. Seriously?Massguy is quite calm and reasonable in his discussions.
the white house's claim is "More Americans have been killed by Iran than any other terrorist regime on Earth." japan used kamikazes, nazi germany had the SS. how were they not terrorist regimes?You said "terror", which would exclude WWII, not to mention that it was over 70 years ago. Of the other modern era entities you name, they all were supported by one or more theocracies. I think history shows that it matters.
Jmo
Leaders of the regime were all in government buildings and private homes/compounds that have been destroyed. Launch sites and other military targets have been destroyed and/or damaged. Can't possibly be done without collateral damage. Clearly the intent is not widespread destruction of the country. If the goal was to hit civilian targets, the losses would be devastating, like the slaughter of the protesters ordered by the now dead Auatollah.I have posted many links. So have others. You would have to read something other than the filtered (imo) US news.
The govt offices, the military offices, hospitals, schools .... and they are only in Day Three of the attack.
Eg:
In Tehran, an air strike targeting 72 Square in the eastern neighbourhood of Narmak damaged a high school with authorities reporting that at least two children were killed.
According to Iranian authorities, the Aboozar Children’s Hospital in western Iran’s Ahvaz and three medical emergency centres in the provinces of East Azerbaijan, Sistan-Baluchistan and Hamedan were also damaged.
On Monday afternoon, fighter jets conducted bombing runs across Tehran once again. Attacks damaged the main building of the province’s medical emergency services, located in Iranshahr Street in the downtown area. Videos released by state-affiliated media showed staff evacuating, and the state-run Tasnim news agency said several staff members were injured.
This MSM has reporters in the Middle East and in Israel - it is based out of Qatar.
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Iran demands international action after attacks impact hospitals, schools
Hospitals across Iran have been damaged by US, Israeli strikes - but no reports of direct hits yet.www.aljazeera.com
Leaders of the regime were all in government buildings and private homes/compounds that have been destroyed. Launch sites and other military targets have been destroyed and/or damaged. Can't possibly be done without collateral damage. Clearly the intent is not widespread destruction of the country. If the goal was to hit civilian targets, the losses would be devastating, like the slaughter of the protesters ordered by the now dead Auatollah.
I would expect that the list will grow but it does not show what some claim.
Damaged one high school, 2 children killed
Damage to Aboozar Children's Hospital
Damage to 3 medical emergency centers, three different provinces.
Iranshahr St, main building of province's medical emergency services damaged, several staff members injured
What actual education and experience do you have to judge the ability and effectiveness of missle interception and what military expertise do you have, not based on internet conspiracy websites, that makes you think someone is not "actually trying"? This is when actual rocket scientists can weight in, not political conspiracists.if we were actually trying there wouldn’t be this much death.
Earlier Monday, Trump declined to rule out the possibility of sending troops into Iran, suggesting in an interview with the New York Post that he could have boots on the ground. He said that while other leaders may be averse to doing so, he is not.My comment specified that the US government initially said the US-Israel war against Iran could be over in less than 5 days, depending on killing the leader. Then, the timeline was expanded to 4-5 weeks. Now, it is announced that it could go much longer.
That is what has been reported by the US government.
My conclusion, based on the lengthening timeline, is that the US government seems to be gradually getting people comfortable with a longer war. It's my opinion. We can revisit this in 4-5 weeks and see whether the war has ended, or whether, as reported today, it could go much longer.
"The U.S.-Israeli attack on Iran and wide-scale Iranian reprisals expanded Monday as the United States pledged to send more troops to the region. Speaking in the White House’s East Room, President Donald Trump said the U.S. military projected that the operation in Iran could take four to five weeks but has “the capability to go far longer than that.”The U.S. military expects to endure additional casualties in its operation, Joint Chiefs Chairman Dan Caine said in a rare on-camera news briefing, adding that accomplishing objectives will take “some time” and, “in some cases, will be difficult and gritty work.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...updates/#link-X2E7R3IK6BC6TIBJQVQDSSRUYE[/URL