• #861
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I have friends stranded in Dubai. They’re making the best of it.

If you want to wipe out a great deal of Iran’s leadership in a single blow, you can’t lose the element of surprise.

Travel advisories were in effect prior to this.
I'm sure they're enjoying the very best Dubai has to offer.
 
  • #863
Picture it. Horrific and terrifying.
People don't look terrified. They want peace. They are tired after traveling to the border by car. They don't want to be interviewed. They don't know what to expect, which naturally causes some fear and uncertainty. They look like they're going on vacation.

"The border crossing sits on a mountainous section of the more than 500-kilometre border between Turkey and Iran. It is one of three places where people can cross from Iran and the gateway provides a window into the country, which is largely cut off from the outside world due to near-total internet blackouts.

Like many who stepped out into bright sun and frigid air, Golabkesh initially appeared wary of the journalists and cameras gathered there.
...

Those who shared their thoughts spoke often of fear, resolve and a hope that out of all of this, there will be peace.
...

On Monday afternoon, a young Iranian man said his father was going to leave Iran on business, but the entire family decided to join him in Turkey because of what he called the “domestic situation.”
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“But I don't really know what's going to happen yet, because it won't end with just Khamenei dying. "The whole regime has to fall. “


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  • #864
This reporter is in Beirut, Lebanon.


"Just a short while ago in southern Beirut suburb, known as Dahiya, we saw another round of Israeli strikes after Israeli media said the military was going to target the building that houses Al Manar TV, which is a local station here affiliated with Hezbollah.

We understand that has indeed happened but the station is back on air, probably broadcasting from another location.

This strike is of course just the latest in Lebanon. Over the 24 hours, we have seen multiple strikes not just in Beirut, but also in southern Lebanon and in the eastern Bekaa valley towards the Syrian border.

At least 52 people have been killed, 154 were injured and thousands are displaced."

 
  • #865
It’s not like the government could tell citizens to leave those countries because they were about to launch a surprise attack.

That would defeat the purpose.
Thats appalling in any case. We get alerts when countries are likely to become unstable.

And you forget, Israel sends pamphlets saying "get out we are going to bomb you" as if it were a humanitarian action.
 
  • #866
It's been two days. Let's give it a couple of weeks and then see where we're at vis-a-vis goal attainment.

Regular progress updates from the administration would be helpful, and I expect we'll be getting them.

It sounds to me as if we've been focused on taking out all the military installations, weaponry, IR infrastructure, and hidey-holes of all the known bad actors.

I do not think Israel and the US will be laying waste to entire cities or indiscriminately carpet bombing large population centers. They've advised civilian Iranians to shelter in place for now given the fact that the IRGC is still taking out opposition in the streets.

I think most Iranians, at least those who aren't militant islamists, will welcome the opportunity to shed the oppressive rule they've been living under and will be willing to role up their sleeves and work to rebuild the country, both societally and physically.

If it turns out that a majority of Iranians still want to live under militant islamism, well, then, we'll have nothing to do with helping them recover whatsoever.

JMO.
Nobody wants their city blown to pieces, no matter how they feel about the regime they live under.

MOO
 
  • #867
Thats appalling in any case. We get alerts when countries are likely to become unstable.

And you forget, Israel sends pamphlets saying "get out we are going to bomb you" as if it were a humanitarian action.
Travel advisories were already in effect for that reason.

Israel does that when they are bombing infrastructure, so they don't kill innocent people. They frequently do this in Lebanon, where families are paid by Hezbollah to keep rockets in their homes (monthly stipend).

They are doing it now in Iran when they are taking down government buildings.

I'd much prefer that than just dropping bombs without warning, unless those targets are military/leadership.
 
  • #868
"Australia’s Defence Minister Richard Marles says Iranian forces struck Al Minhad Air Base where Australian troops are stationed on the first night of the conflict.

He said all Australian troops are “safe and accounted for” and that about 100 of them are stationed across the Middle East.

Most of them are based in the United Arab Emirates, he added."

 
  • #869
"The Islamic Resistance in Iraq has claimed responsibility for carrying out a drone attack on a hotel that it said housed US troops in Erbil [the Capital of Iraqi Kurdistan].

A video clip posted on Telegram by the Iraqi Naya news agency meanwhile showed a building on fire in Erbil. The post claimed that drones were launched by the Islamic Resistance in Iraq towards “occupation bases”. "

 
  • #870
Thank you! I've been a military spouse for 27 years and now a military mom to 2 sons who have both spent time overseas. If we don't have some humor and banter, then I don't know how we make it through the scary and hard times. Even my son who is currently in the midst of this responds to me with humor. I told him to stay safe, and he said, "couldn't be safer" We just learn to carry on. There are 1000s of moms, spouses, siblings, and children like me. We are from rural little towns, large cities and even other countries. I do not celebrate this action, but I understand it. IMO
While I don't necessarily agree with your political stance in general, I just wanted to let you know that I am thinking of you, your family, and your son. I sincerely hope he remains safe. So I'm sending hugs your way. I'm sure this must be stressful for you.

I am also sending hugs to everyone at risk, no matter what country they are from.
 
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To be clear, the list I made was from the post, it was copied directly from the post that listed hospitals and school damage, if it was not in that person's post, I did not include it in the list on my reply.

The conversation is about destruction of the infrastructure, not for it to be proven there is collateral damage, that's a given.
Iranian state media is not a trusted source.
Is this suppose to be proof of intentional destruction of the infrastructure or a claim that the school was an actual target? Are you believing that that it was an intentional "strike on a girls' school"? If so, why just one school, and why damage some hospitals? If they were the target, they would be completely destroyed and why would it be just a few when hundreds are available. Government buildings, military sites (includes any location used to launch and hide missles and drones, personnel) are the targets.
It's simply the news as reported! Your choice if little girls 7 to 12 years old being reduced to rubble aren't your concern. JMOO
 
  • #872
Travel advisories were already in effect for that reason.

Israel does that when they are bombing infrastructure, so they don't kill innocent people. They frequently do this in Lebanon, where families are paid by Hezbollah to keep rockets in their homes (monthly stipend).

They are doing it now in Iran when they are taking down government buildings.

I'd much prefer that than just dropping bombs without warning, unless those targets are military/leadership.
Really disappointed to see these replies.

En plus No link no IMO.
 
  • #873
Thats appalling in any case. We get alerts when countries are likely to become unstable.

And you forget, Israel sends pamphlets saying "get out we are going to bomb you" as if it were a humanitarian action.

Forewarning non-combatants that they need to get out or seek shelter in advance of an incoming military assault is in point of fact a humanitarian action.

Israel is basically telegraphing their plans to the enemy when they do that, which places their own forces at increased risk.

You'll never see militant islamists giving any such alerts to innocent civilians. Because their intended targets most of the time ARE the innocent civilians. Or as they like to lovingly refer to us, "infidels."

JMO.
 
  • #874
Simple, right?? Massive amount of people all trying to fit on jets and planes that aren't flying. ;) IMO
I never liked airport lines, even in peace time. If I was hypothetically in Iran, I would simply.....

Go down to the main taxi stand / bus station. I will then flash cash while engaging in shoving and shouting matches with copious quantities of locals who are also flashing cash. Prices are sky rocketing. A good many of the drivers don't want to risk their lives nor their cars on the roads for any money

I manage to buy and shove my way into a SUV ( I turned down one loser driver who wanted uhhmmm..... "special emergency services" from my adult daughter- Jeez, these type of "people" are already crawling out of the sewers.

Hoping to get past the military check points manned by indoctrinated Revolutionary Guards. We don't vibe local anymore. My son can't even speak Farsi. Praying we don't fit into the "traitor", nor "spy", nor "traitorous spies" categories.

Now at a rural gas station and negotiating with the owner. Trying to keep my eye on three local drug dealer / user types who are deciding when to start exploiting their fellow humans. Does that one really have a pistol under his shirt? Gotta get out of here- now!

Yikes- check points are popping up manned by armed and very excited minority ethnic separatists. Good news: They oppose the regime Bad news: They also are not that fond of ethnic majority Iranians either. They want "tips" from the "rich Iranians from Tehran"....
 
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I never liked airport lines, even in peace time. If in Tehran today, I am going.....

Right down to the main taxi stand / bus station. I will then flash cash while engaging in shoving and shouting matches with copious quantities of locals who are also flashing cash. Prices are sky rocketing.

A good many of the drivers don't want to risk their lives nor their cars for any money (can the ominous Predator drones always tell a fleeing civilian SUV from say, Commander Rashid Hardcoredani's command vehicle going to another hide location)?

I manage to buy and shove my way into a contracted SUV ( I turned down one loser driver who wanted uhhmmm..... "special services" from my adult daughter- Jeez, wars can lead to exploitive type humans crawling out of the sewers).

And we are off..... Hoping to get past the military check points manned by indoctrinated young Revolutionary Guards. Some might be looking for "traitors" and "spies". Neither me, nor my family vibe local. My son can't even speak Farsi. Praying we don't fit into the "traitor", "spy", nor "traitorous spy" categories.

Now at a rural gas station and negotiating with a gas station owner with my wife's last gold jewelry. Trying to keep my eye on five local drug dealer / user types who are figuring out when to start exploiting their fellow humans. Does that one have a pistol under his shirt? Gotta get out of here- now!

Yikes- check points are popping up manned by armed and now, very excited minority ethnic separatists. They hate the regime (understandable), but.... they also are not that fond of ethnic majority Iranians either. They want tips, big tips, to "rich city type Iranians" by.
I'm sorry, but are you saying you are in Iran? Or is this a hypothetical situation?
 
  • #876
I never liked airport lines, even in peace time. If in Tehran today, I am going.....

Right down to the main taxi stand / bus station. I will then flash cash while engaging in shoving and shouting matches with copious quantities of locals who are also flashing cash. Prices are sky rocketing. A good many of the drivers don't want to risk their lives nor their cars on the roads for any money

I manage to buy and shove my way into a SUV ( I turned down one loser driver who wanted uhhmmm..... "special services" from my adult daughter- Jeez, these type of "people" are already crawling out of the sewers).

Hoping to get past the military check points manned by indoctrinated young Revolutionary Guards. Some might be looking for "traitors" and "spies". Neither me, nor my family vibe local. My son can't even speak Farsi. Praying we don't fit into the "traitor", "spy", nor "traitorous spy" categories.

Now at a rural gas station and negotiating with a gas station owner with my wife's last gold jewelry. Trying to keep my eye on three local drug dealer / user types who are figuring out when to start exploiting their fellow humans. Does that one have a pistol under his shirt? Gotta get out of here- now!

Yikes- check points are popping up manned by armed and now, very excited minority ethnic separatists. They hate the regime (understandable), but.... they also are not that fond of ethnic majority Iranians either. They want tips, big tips, from "rich Iranians" to let us by.
Sounds like a typical day in downtown Los Angeles..
 
  • #877
Really disappointed to see these replies.

En plus No link no IMO.

The fact that you need links means you have not been following events closely over the past couple years.

IDF accounts constantly post warnings that have already been distributed to targeted areas.

Here’s a link to an article about Hezbollah keeping missiles in homes, and there’s plenty of videos out there showing missiles cooking off after strikes, and photos of these missiles in the homes themselves.

 
  • #878
I read something similar in Politico, but I didn't post it because it also had a lot of spin. It was a good article. In a nutshell it said: Netanyahu is OK with a weakened regime because it poses less of a threat to Israel.

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I honestly think that's about the best they are going to get...JMO.....
A full revolution is extremely difficult in Iran right now because they do not have a functional opposition within the country. (None of the potential opposition is armed.)

Maybe it will happen later...

All MOO
There's a part of me that hopes they don't leave the job half done like in Iraq and Libya and.... A lot of criticism to this are totally legitimate imo. Some seem to be focusing on dislike of Trump as a president, which for me is irrelevant at this point, but no one would want things to end up back at square one or get even worse.

I totally agree with MassGuy that the messaging from the US government is bad and all over the place, and I find that extremely unhelpful and it's only going to increase anxiety and criticisms.
 
  • #879
I'm sorry, but are you saying you are in Iran? Or is this a hypothetical situation?
Fortunately very hypothetical to illustrate that getting out of countries during emergencies can be harder than it seems. I"ll add a hypothetical disclaimer....
 
  • #880

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