Is TH Responsible in any way for the Disappearance of Kyron? **NO DISCUSSION**

[Snowball58]

One thing I don't agree with several posters on is that if Terri is guilty of trying to have Kaine killed, she would be capable of anything. Wanting and even trying to arrange to have a spouse removed/erased is not the same kind of mindset, to me, as killing a child, even one belonging to that spouse. I have heard of cases of battling spouses killing a child to prevent the other one from having custody, but I do not believe this was an issue here as Terri was never in line for custody of Kyron. And what would be the point of "stashing" him? The only good reason I can think of is if Kaine were to be the immediate suspect and there was no way that way going to happen with this "plan."

So at this point I am not convinced Terri is involved with Kyron's disappearance. I will be convinced if Dede or someone else, either a nuetral party of a friend of Terri's, indicates that they have knowledge of her being involved or if LE finds a witness who can swear she left the school with Kyron.

I respectfully disagree. I think a person who is capable of a MFH is also capable of exacting revenge in other ways. As a "for instance" which I'm completely making up, what if she wanted Kaine dead via MFH, but couldn't get it to pan out. So she cooked up another way to get rid of him for insurance money, or whatever. Disappear Kyron then later fake Kaine's suicide (grief over a stolen or murdered child, leaves her and Baby K alone as sole beneficiaries of insurance money, maybe a lawsuit against the school, etc.) It's far fetched, but my point is that Kyron's disappearance may be completely related to the original MFH plan. It's definitely relevant and gives insight into her personality, and I do think that a person capable of hiring a hit man to kill her husband is capable of myriad other heinous things.

 

[Emeralgem]

Ok thanks guys, and of course
She who has controlled and manipulated everyone from day one never considered the consequences if her plan didn't work. Just wondered if someone had ideas I hadn't considered . Thanks again for your input.

Catch 22 situation.. Their arrogant thinking tricks them into believing they don't have to concern themselves with consequences of their actions ....That is one of the traits of having a narcissistic personality disorder...JMO

 

[tiredblondy]

Maybe...this thought just occurred to me...maybe she believed Kaine and Desiree were having an affair. I don't believe they were, but maybe TH was so delusional she believed it.

Desiree is beautiful and the exwife whose husband she stole. Maybe she could never live up to Desiree? And as her looks faded and she gained all the weight she became more and more jealous. A cheating husband is motive for MFH and when that fell through, what else could she do to hurt them? Nothing worse in the world than taking someone's child.

Or what if Terri thought Kaine was having an affair with someone else period?

After all if she was involved with Kaine when he was married to Desiree this would be the ultimate slap in the face to have the tables turned on her! my opinion only

What is that saying? Hell hath no fury like a scorned woman??? or something like that?

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Everyone on here has such great points! Which is exactly why I can't seem to get off this dang fence! Come on, people, I want down!!!

I honestly do think it's her (80% of the time) but due to my open-mind and the lack of physical or eyewitness evidence, I just think "You never know". I feel like I'm SURE it's her, no doubt. But I know parents are accused and found not to have had any involvement, so I'm just not ready yet to point that permanent finger.

For me, the strongest evidence she's involved is the fact she doesn't have a solid alibi at the time he went missing. Everything else sends up my hinky meter, but maybe she's just nuts.

I so wish we could get an answer regarding the supposed dr appt. For me, that would be all I need to know absolutely, for sure, without a doubt it was TH.

 

[cakegirl0905]

And affair with anyone is possible. I hate to say this because I in NO WAY blame Kaine, but if he cheated before he could have again.

TH may have been so insecure that she suspected him even if he wasn't. She knew he did it to Desiree and thought he would to her too. That, and Kaine seemed quite oblivious to what was going on in the home. Makes me wonder if he wasn't very attentive to her and it angered her.

 

[Kat010]

Here's an interesting experiment.

Stop right now. Pick a day, a recent day, or maybe a day when something traumatic happened: death, illness, injury, lost job, etc. etc. to you, family or friends.

Now write, in longhand, everything you did that day and at what time.

Then provide a witness to each entry--i.e. an "alibi."

I'll bet that most of us can't recall everythng in every busy day, or what time we did what,nor can we provide a witness for every part of every day.

An aside: anyone else ever heard of LSI Scan?

http://www.lsiscan.com/

It is incredible. I was accepted (not easy for a civilian) into the course, and passed with a special reward, ahem. I was halfway through the advanced course when my illness, plus a three-month case of pneumonia, knocked me outta that.

You'd be amazed at what people do and don't remember--and how they give themselves away, unintentiionally. And what they lie about.

I truly wish that every major "player" in this case would have to provide a statement for Mr. Sapir to go through. Heck, I'd love to go through TH's statement of what she did that day. Ahem.

As for alibis--I'm single, and I couldn't provide an alibi for 99% of my time (unless my dogs were allowed to testify). Well, my computer could, LOL!

And although I hate driving long distances, like on a trip, I drive for relaxation and sometimes, inspiration. I drive during the day, and sometimes at night. Literally, I got one of my better poems from driving in the country as a snowstorm came in. So I don't have a problem with someone saying they were out driving, with a cranky kid (driving works with many) or just....because. If Th's driving can be combined with other evidence, fine--but for now, it's just what she said and no evidence to the contrary--so far.

And I don't have a problem with TH using the truck and not bringing the project home right then. Maybe the baby was cranky and she had stuff she *had* to get. Maybe she just changed her mind. Has anyone else ever had a list of errands and then deviated from that?

I still want to know why TH is doing hours and hours of driving to do the Kyron swap. Seems like she did everything, and Kaine showed up, IMHO.

Really, folks, I do now and then post short posts! Even one-word ones!

P.s. my tinfoil hat, old and battered, has streamers and ears and a special antennae, plus an attractive hand-crocheted rainbow band.

 

[kant]

I have serious doubts about Terri being involved in and responsible for Kyron's disappearance, and here are a few of the reasons why --

The more Desiree and Kaine talk, the more I believe LE probably has very little evidence against Terri and, in some cases, I wonder if the "evidence" was manipulated in a legal way by LE in an effort to extract a confession from Terri. I'm thinking specifically about the LDT, especially in light of LE's recent comments pointing out the LDTs are used as tools. There was an air of backtracking and distancing in their statement, IMHO. If Terri told LE she was driving baby K around Portland to soothe an earache, I admit the alibi sounds weak. The thing is, the alibi is plausible, IMHO. I know people who use rides in the car to soothe their children; it's a very popular way to soothe children in Hollywood films. It's not unheard of or all that unusual, IMHO. It's only weak because it's not verifiable, but it's still plausible. Perhaps LE was less than truthful about results of the LDT because they didn't believe her alibi. There are reasonable explanations for Terri's behavior that day, though, especially if you believe baby K is probably teething which explains why she'd drive around, not go to the doctor, and would go to the gym. Babies are amazingly resilient, and can go from fussy to fine and vice versa, very, very quickly.

If LE had a solid case, in the press conferences, Desiree wouldn't rely so much on her mothering instincts and what I believe are superficial inconsistencies. The more Desiree talks, the more apparent it becomes that she's held a grudge against Terri for years, and regardless of whether or not the grudge is warranted, it's going to influence and perhaps even shape her opinions about Terri's behavior. Desiree was very vocal about Kyron crying and wanting to live with her and Tony, and the inference was that Terri was somehow responsible for Kyron's unhappiness, but then we found out that Kyron cried when he went to Desiree's. DY and KH later admitted he was having difficulty transitioning. The facts present a completely different situation, but the press and a lot of the public will never read that Kyron cried when he left Terri and Kaine and had to visit Desiree, only that "missing boy cried when he had to go home to stepmother!" or whatever other salacious headline is used.

There are a lot of accusations, a lot of implications, that are slowly being clarified or eaten away at, IMHO. And, IMHO, when you get to the root of why Desiree believes Terri is responsible, it's because Desiree has instincts and Terri didn't behave and react in the way Desiree thought she should.

LE has no evidence of a murder scene. None. Terri is not some hardened criminal with years of experience in pulling off crimes such as this one. If Terri is responsible, she abducted and murdered a child she'd raised for most of his life. Her biological children were attached to this child. She was married to this child's father. Killing him, seeing his lifeless, perhaps bloody body, discarding him somehow, all with her daughter nearby, is unfathomable to me, especially since she then carried on in a completely normal fashion, totally calm, acting in character, for the rest of the day. And, then, there's no physical evidence. None in the truck. None on her clothes. None in the house. After forty years of living a normal life, she's able to pull off this crime leaving behind no physical evidence, carrying on about her day, going to the gym, arriving home, sending e-mails to Desiree, posting pictures on Facebook (and it's interesting to note that Terri didn't rush right home and post the pictures to establish some sort of alibi, she posted them hours later).

As much as some are hopeful, I think most would admit it's unlikely Kyron is alive. Hell, I'm hopeful, but I believe it's highly improbable that Kyron is alive. If he's dead and Terri killed him, there should be evidence even without a body, IMHO.

I agree with this post as well. Being "weird" or even oh-my-God-I-cant-believe-it weird is not a crime. Also, being involved in non-mainstream (but legal among consenting adults) and possibly "weird" sexual practices is not a crime either; but it likely would be embarrassing for some people, so that may make the person in question further act "weird" and make it seem that he ors she is hiding something - when - well they are trying to hide something, but it's not what we think they're hiding.

IDK. It just seems so... IDK the word.

And pulling all this off would require some skills that I simply dont think TH has. Even if she did have intent and/or actually tried to do something (something illegal, disappearing Kyron, or other fill-in-the-blank) I think there would be evidence galore bc she'd likely screw it up somehow, somewhere, in some way, imo.

I'm not saying that I thihnk she's Mary Poppins or a great person of moral integrity. I dont know. But as far as Kyron's disappearance, I cant help but think there is more to this than "TH did it. The end. Case closed." I just cant get there yet.

She did seem weird and insincere and her body language was screaming hink on one of those initial pressers. (Im referring to the one where she was blinkin like crazy and hanging on Desiree) But to me, KH seemed hinky on that presser too. His body language hinked me and there was something about his words (that he read, but not faulting him for that) I cant recall what the red flag was for me, but something he said struck me as odd. Dangit it escapes me at the moment.

I cant recall also whether I had any feelings one way or the other about Desiree on that presser, but I do recall thinking that her husband, Mr. Young, (cant think of his first name) seemed the most genuine of all 4 of them.

Also, didnt KH and DY's relationship (marriage etc) begin when Desiree's son was 7? What about TH's son? Was he in the Horman home? and for how long? How did TH and KH really hook up? Does anyone know? Im sincerely asking bc some of you seem to know every detail of this case and might even know these things off the tops of your head (I mean, if so you wont have to dig and search and go to any trouble; I hope not) I know there have been two or three cases over the years that I followed and analyzed every freakin word, knew every nuance, and could discuss details at the drop of a hat.

To those folks, or anyone who knows, how did KH and TH actually get together? (And Im thinking it's not the fairytale good friend story that I first heard in which Desiree was sick and TH stepped in to care for Kyron by living with KH. (?) He could have afforded more than adequate childcare, it seems.

And another thing that bothers me is the "last seen" part. Was a young child the witness? Was it a teacher? both? IDK, I guess I keep thinking that it's human nature to be focused on yourself for the most part or in general,
for one thing, I mean unless something outstanding grabs your attention such that you'd recall it accurately (accurately being the operative word) AND recall the time?

Also, a school is a place or routine to the point of being mundane. Except for the fact that it was science day, days can run together and unless several folks - who have no reason to be incahoots - convey the same story, it's hard for me to take something like that as an absolute... which really convolutes the matter fo me bc the "last seen" (the for sure last seen) is crucial to the whole ball of wax regarding what may have happened next, what actually happened next, and how.

Sorry for the incoherent ramble. Im just stumped.

Long live the run-on sentence.

and the obligatory moo.

.

 

[Donjeta]

The latest thing that makes me think that TH is involved is DS's lawyer saying she'll probably be charged somewhere down the road (paraphrased).

This is because lawyers are usually rather careful about what they say, and I think he might have said so because of something that his client told him. I have no idea what it could be, but it seems to me that DS knows *something* and based on that CS thinks that TH will be charged.

 

[Snowball58]

Here's an interesting experiment.

Stop right now. Pick a day, a recent day, or maybe a day when something traumatic happened: death, illness, injury, lost job, etc. etc. to you, family or friends.

Now write, in longhand, everything you did that day and at what time.

Then provide a witness to each entry--i.e. an "alibi."

I'll bet that most of us can't recall everythng in every busy day, or what time we did what,nor can we provide a witness for every part of every day.

An aside: anyone else ever heard of LSI Scan?

http://www.lsiscan.com/

It is incredible. I was accepted (not easy for a civilian) into the course, and passed with a special reward, ahem. I was halfway through the advanced course when my illness, plus a three-month case of pneumonia, knocked me outta that.

You'd be amazed at what people do and don't remember--and how they give themselves away, unintentiionally. And what they lie about.

I truly wish that every major "player" in this case would have to provide a statement for Mr. Sapir to go through. Heck, I'd love to go through TH's statement of what she did that day. Ahem.

As for alibis--I'm single, and I couldn't provide an alibi for 99% of my time (unless my dogs were allowed to testify). Well, my computer could, LOL!

And although I hate driving long distances, like on a trip, I drive for relaxation and sometimes, inspiration. I drive during the day, and sometimes at night. Literally, I got one of my better poems from driving in the country as a snowstorm came in. So I don't have a problem with someone saying they were out driving, with a cranky kid (driving works with many) or just....because. If Th's driving can be combined with other evidence, fine--but for now, it's just what she said and no evidence to the contrary--so far.

And I don't have a problem with TH using the truck and not bringing the project home right then. Maybe the baby was cranky and she had stuff she *had* to get. Maybe she just changed her mind. Has anyone else ever had a list of errands and then deviated from that?

I still want to know why TH is doing hours and hours of driving to do the Kyron swap. Seems like she did everything, and Kaine showed up, IMHO.

Really, folks, I do now and then post short posts! Even one-word ones!

P.s. my tinfoil hat, old and battered, has streamers and ears and a special antennae, plus an attractive hand-crocheted rainbow band.

I can tell you right now, without a doubt, that if my child or stepchild disappeared from school, I would be able to tell LE (same day, maybe the next day, even weeks later) very precisely how I spent every moment of that day, down to when I used the bathroom. Maybe my account is initially muddled due to shock, and maybe every part of my day doesn't include witnesses, but I'm confident that I could recount my day with accuracy, and it wouldn't change and whatever evidence LE comes up with (phone pings, surveillance video, etc) would match because I would tell the truth and I would remember every moment of that day - presumably the worst day of my life.

 

[Cher352]

I am definitely not convinced TH did this but if all the rumors are true then I definitely would not be surprised to see that she did. The problem I am having is that the rumors have been highly publicized with hardly any type of actual confirmation from LE.

Even the statements from TH herself about the LDT and the pings may not accurate. LE are known to lie to a suspect about these type things in order to try to get them to confess.

So in essence I really dislike the way LE is handling this whole case. No info from LE and they are letting the press and Kyrons parents run rampant with only a couple short written disclaimers here and there about the info not coming from them. If LE knows something being said out there in the media is either true or false I wish they would state it in a public forum so that people could help. The way it is now no one is even looking at anything out of the ordinary unless it has to do with TH.

And I guess that is my biggest fear; that TH is not the guilty party and because I feel LE has only focused on her all these weeks then the trail is probably too cold to find the real culprit.

 

[gardeness]

Here's an interesting experiment.

Stop right now. Pick a day, a recent day, or maybe a day when something traumatic happened: death, illness, injury, lost job, etc. etc. to you, family or friends.

Now write, in longhand, everything you did that day and at what time.

Then provide a witness to each entry--i.e. an "alibi."

I'll bet that most of us can't recall everythng in every busy day, or what time we did what,nor can we provide a witness for every part of every day.

An aside: anyone else ever heard of LSI Scan?

http://www.lsiscan.com/

It is incredible. I was accepted (not easy for a civilian) into the course, and passed with a special reward, ahem. I was halfway through the advanced course when my illness, plus a three-month case of pneumonia, knocked me outta that.

You'd be amazed at what people do and don't remember--and how they give themselves away, unintentiionally. And what they lie about.

I truly wish that every major "player" in this case would have to provide a statement for Mr. Sapir to go through. Heck, I'd love to go through TH's statement of what she did that day. Ahem.

As for alibis--I'm single, and I couldn't provide an alibi for 99% of my time (unless my dogs were allowed to testify). Well, my computer could, LOL!

And although I hate driving long distances, like on a trip, I drive for relaxation and sometimes, inspiration. I drive during the day, and sometimes at night. Literally, I got one of my better poems from driving in the country as a snowstorm came in. So I don't have a problem with someone saying they were out driving, with a cranky kid (driving works with many) or just....because. If Th's driving can be combined with other evidence, fine--but for now, it's just what she said and no evidence to the contrary--so far.

And I don't have a problem with TH using the truck and not bringing the project home right then. Maybe the baby was cranky and she had stuff she *had* to get. Maybe she just changed her mind. Has anyone else ever had a list of errands and then deviated from that?

I still want to know why TH is doing hours and hours of driving to do the Kyron swap. Seems like she did everything, and Kaine showed up, IMHO.

Really, folks, I do now and then post short posts! Even one-word ones!

P.s. my tinfoil hat, old and battered, has streamers and ears and a special antennae, plus an attractive hand-crocheted rainbow band.

bbm

I drive to relax, too. I love looking at old houses and neighborhoods, and am known to cruise through the same neighborhoods, checking out my "faves"...and, going on a drive has worked for most of my babies...

 

[Kat010]

Seriiously, folks, try it. You might be surprised.

I'm anal-retentive (ahem) and have an almost photographic memory--well, other than things like where are my car keys, glasses, check book, etc. Normal life stuff I can't organize, LOL, but ask me when Queen Eliz. I died.

But given all that--well, I was amazed. We may *think* that we would remember every detail down to the minute, but human beings don't. If you have a calendar and a schedule--like being at work, or a meeting, that helps.

But if you're just having a day without appointments--and sometimes even with--you do lose track of exactly what you did when and for how long. And how many times do we all say "ooops, I forgot." Forget to get one tiem at the store. Forget that we needed to go here before going there. And we tend to prioritize our memories of a day, right? I won't remember everyone I saw in a big box store or even much about the store that day,. but I might remember something else that I assigned higher priority to.

I don't want to sidetrack, but I'm just saying that a busy woman with kids, errands, etc. etc. could possibly a) change her errands as she does thing and b) be unable to account for everything.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying TH is innocent, or guilty.

 

[Donjeta]

I believe that Terri was asked about how she spent the day Kyron disappeared on that same day so IMO we should all think about whether we remember what we did today.

I think I remember what I did and in what order but I've gotta admit that I'm fuzzy about times because I didn't check the clock too many times. I can tell you what time I left home to go to a park with the kids, and I can check my cell phone for a couple o calls I made. Then I remember the exact time I changed a diaper at the park and I know the exact time when I was on an escalator but that's about it. I've got some receipts from purchases I made and I might be on a few security cameras. There were other people who saw me and my family at the park but I have no idea how to contact them.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Seriiously, folks, try it. You might be surprised.

I'm anal-retentive (ahem) and have an almost photographic memory--well, other than things like where are my car keys, glasses, check book, etc. Normal life stuff I can't organize, LOL, but ask me when Queen Eliz. I died.

But given all that--well, I was amazed. We may *think* that we would remember every detail down to the minute, but human beings don't. If you have a calendar and a schedule--like being at work, or a meeting, that helps.

But if you're just having a day without appointments--and sometimes even with--you do lose track of exactly what you did when and for how long. And how many times do we all say "ooops, I forgot." Forget to get one tiem at the store. Forget that we needed to go here before going there. And we tend to prioritize our memories of a day, right? I won't remember everyone I saw in a big box store or even much about the store that day,. but I might remember something else that I assigned higher priority to.

I don't want to sidetrack, but I'm just saying that a busy woman with kids, errands, etc. etc. could possibly a) change her errands as she does thing and b) be unable to account for everything.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying TH is innocent, or guilty.

Kind of like forgetting that your hired someone to kill your husband? Trust me, if she can sit there and say well, I did this from this time, and that from that time...then she can fill in the in betweens as well.. no doubt in my mind.

 

[gitana1]

I'll just post my own opinion, which I realize may be in the minority view right now. But it will feel good to just blurt it out here. If I'm wrong later, I'll be one of the first to eat crow, I promise you.

But right now, I don't really like the fence very much, and unless there's big evidence out there to prove Terri wasn't involved - like finding another person who kidnapped Kyron - then she was the last person to see him alive.

So I haven't been on the fence for a long time and I don't see her as a victim. Frankly, I'm baffled why some people think murder for hire might be justified in a bad marriage - since when? A crime is a crime. Plotting is plotting. This whole thing is completely hinky to me.

The police aren't investigating Kaine as a bad father either. He is the one with custody of his daughter now, which Terri is not fighting against at all. Why should we assume that he was abusive and TH or her friends are hiding Kyron for his own good? And for what motive? Why not just contact the police and start proceedings against Kaine, then? But none of that has happened, so I think it's a big red herring. Otherwise she would have hidden her own precious daughter as well - but she didn't.

Here's the court affidavit about the sexting and the restraining order against Terri. This is real evidence. The cell phones and text messages, as well as images, are part of the court record and the evidence and were viewed by a judge "in camera" or in his chambers.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

These are not just rumors, but part of public court records and the judge saw the sexting photos and messages to both Cook and the landscaper before slapping a restraining order on Terri. He couldn't do that without just cause.

See the last two paragraphs and especially the last line in the image below - police have this evidence!

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

I like to look at what people do and not what they or their defense attorneys say.

Terri's story of the morning Kyron disappeared doesn't fit the circumstances. The police have said her cell phone records don't add up. Having not seen all the evidence we can't know for sure, but most of the time cell phones are indicators of where someone is at the time. They were used in the Peterson case and I don't know why we should just assume the police are wrong about her whereabouts.

I don't understand the whole thing about the doctor's note and the science fair, or why she didn't go back to get the project since she had the truck.

The police have her cell phone records with sexting and "lurid pictures" which is stated in court records. So she was being unfaithful with a landscaper who might have talked to her about murder for hire. Then she was quick to have an affair in the middle of the search for Kyron with her other sexting partner - an old friend of Kaine's! Sorry, but this is beginning to remind me of Scott Peterson and Amber Frey!

Kaine may not be a model husband, and it's a shame he left Desiree for Terri while she was pregnant - to me that's despicable if it's true. The whole extended family thing is sort of tragic and I feel sorry for the kids.

But that doesn't change the fact the Kaine and Desiree were NOT at the school that day and TH was. Trying to cast doubt on everyone else involved doesn't quite work in this case, anymore than it worked to blame homeless people in the Peterson case - and the defense tried that over and over.

JMO

I agree with much of your post but why do you think the judge saw the sexting messages and landscaper communications in camera prior to granting the RO or ever? I never heard that. Can you point me to the right direction?

 

[Kat010]

Opinions, no, I didn't say anything about "forgetting" an (alleged) murder for hire plot.

I'm talking about memories and timelines.

I would have said, before I took that course, that I could accurately tell someone what I did throughout my day and exactly when. I learned a lot. I was wrong.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I think you may have misunderstood me. I absolutely agree that the sexting between MC & Terri occurred, and that the document supports that. I said nothing about what happened between MC & Terri in my post. I was referring solely to the landscaper.

And my point is just this: If TH was doing all this with MC, and we have evidence and his own admission in an interview with police that it was true, and 200 text messages written while Kyron is missing, then it makes it easier to believe the landscaper also had something going on with her with the sexting even if it was months before this.

It's a pattern - I think I've written that before to explain my position on this. It goes to state of mind and that's why it's important.

Frankly, it makes her sound like an exhibitionist of some kind. Just my opinion.

The fact that the police pressured the landscaper into a sting operation pretty much confirms that the cops had something on him. If he didn't want to be involved, he could have just lied about it - except that the police must have had evidence of of something from the phone messages. JMO

 

[debs]

I don't understand. Are you also proposing Terri simply does not know the name or how to contact her nooner amour? And said Nooner-amour would not go to LE?

Or are you saying it's better to pay Houze $350,000 than to give LE the name of her Nooner?

Well, that might be better for Houze, but I mean what's better for Terri now?

To clear herself of these charges and get on with her inevitable divorce or to preserve the secrecy of her Nooner that day?

IMO, were this the case, LE would have her Nooner truth and would have alibied her by now. I bet she'd be quite thrilled if she actually had a Nooner-amour that would vouch for her at this point. The GJ is in session, after all.

I'm thinking I don't understand your entire thought process here...are you speculating that she arranged for the kidnapping of Kyron and then had a Nooner whilst celebrating said kidnapping, so she still needs Houze?

Because if that's the case, I actually could run with you on that theory.

Don't go running with the bull yet, Emma! I don't think she arranged for someone else to kidnap Kyron. I don't know whether she had nooner-amore contact LE. I do know that in the initial interviews, Terri was said to have not been forthcoming (as strong a statement as LE has made thus far). I believe that to reference this time when she may have been with nooner-amore. In the grand scheme of things, she may have believed she could keep the affair secret and still be helpful with regard to Kyron.

Lying always bites one in the butt. I don't recommend it. But once it's there, it's best to see how a lie would benefit the liar, and as I stated initially, I believe coming out with "oh well, you know I was out with nooner-amore and it was all sorts of fun but I didn't have anything to do with Kyron's disappearance."

Whether nooner-amore has been interviewed (or even exists, since I'm hypothesizing), I don't know. I know if it has nothing to do with Kyron and everything to do with Terri's divorce from Kaine, LE will not talk about it.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I agree with much of your post but why do you think the judge saw the sexting messages and landscaper communications in camera prior to granting the RO or ever? I never heard that. Can you point me to the right direction?

Yeah - follow this link an read it. That's what it says. It says they are asking the Court (the Judge) to "examine the documents." Maybe he didn't see each one, but he knew about them.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

This is a matter of public record. If people choose to believe it's a myth, I'm fine with that. But I believe we'll see these documents later if and when this comes to trial, so you might as well get acquainted with them now. JMO

 

[mydailyopinions]

Opinions, no, I didn't say anything about "forgetting" an (alleged) murder for hire plot.

I'm talking about memories and timelines.

I would have said, before I took that course, that I could accurately tell someone what I did throughout my day and exactly when. I learned a lot. I was wrong.

Thank you for the "dumb attack"
Been here a while, enjoy your posts and would rather see you read the TOS than not be able to post these very valuable opinions you have...

In any other situation, I can see exactly where you are coming from..kinda like loosing something and retracing your steps...something seemingly invaluable..
However, in the case of a child missing, I just don't see how telling LE exactly your whereabouts during a specific time is that hard. Now if they were asking her to retrace weeks, maybe...but a few hours...nah..