What is your #1 indicator that Terri is *NOT* involved in Kyron's disappearance?

[eyes4crime]

#1 indicator that Terri is NOT guilty - lack of evidence of any kind is the crucial point for me.

There is no way for me to rule in or out the players in this terrible crime - lack of evidence prevails. Hearsay, gossip, gut feelings, and hating Terri does not bring justice to Kyron - finding the real perp will. moo

Because I don't hate Terri and find ill will in her every gesture and move in life, and because I don't place her in the psychopathic murderous role, should not be cause for anyone to think I'm not 1000% wanting justice for Kyorn. The two, at this point, are mutually exclusive. moo mho

 

[liz b.]

#1 indicator that Terri is NOT guilty - lack of evidence of any kind is the crucial point for me.

There is no way for me to rule in or out the players in this terrible crime - lack of evidence prevails. Hearsay, gossip, gut feelings, and hating Terri does not bring justice to Kyron - finding the real perp will. moo

Because I don't hate Terri and find ill will in her every gesture and move in life, and because I don't place her in the psychopathic murderous role, should not be cause for anyone to think I'm not 1000% wanting justice for Kyorn. The two, at this point, are mutually exclusive. moo mho

Good post,IMO.Hard to hate someone one does not know ....

All JMO

 

[Paintr]

#1 indicator that Terri is NOT guilty - lack of evidence of any kind is the crucial point for me.

There is no way for me to rule in or out the players in this terrible crime - lack of evidence prevails. Hearsay, gossip, gut feelings, and hating Terri does not bring justice to Kyron - finding the real perp will. moo

Because I don't hate Terri and find ill will in her every gesture and move in life, and because I don't place her in the psychopathic murderous role, should not be cause for anyone to think I'm not 1000% wanting justice for Kyorn. The two, at this point, are mutually exclusive. moo mho

Great post! My feelings exactly!

 

[liz b.]

I suppose it's mostly academic since we don't know for sure how much she has been drinking lately but I think performing well in a managerial level job, or any regular employment for that matter, quite often turns out to be more demanding for addicted people than the execution of a one-off crime. Alcoholics may have some pretty twisted motives for murder and are able to deliver fatal blows, dig holes and lie IMO.

I truly hope that she wasn't impaired most of the time because she was the primary caretaker of a small toddler and volunteered at the school with little children and drove a car with children in it. It would be rather scary if no one noticed she did it drunk and even scarier if they noticed but just didn't care.

Good points,Donjeta. I posted a while ago about her alleged drinking and being responsible for Kyron's care. According to her husband,she "drank herself to sleep evry night ". So,mornings probably were not fun. I had wondered if Kyron had a babysitter during this time.And who it might have been...

And,she did in fact get a DUI while her other son was in the car. Was why she couldn't get a job in her field. So, she must not have been that disciplined...

All JMO

 

[Donjeta]

Yeah, so she did but IMO it is again a different level of requirement to be able to plan something and carry it out once and to be able to keep consistently out of trouble for years and years well enough to keep one's teaching licence. A DUI and child endangerment history would cause employment difficulties for a teacher even it was an event that happened only once and if she never drank too much again after being caught. It tells us that there have been some self control issues involving alcohol but IMO it doesn't tell us that she has been constantly intoxicated ever since, enough to render her unable to ever to plan anything. If she was at that stage IMO somebody oughta have known that she was still drinking heavily.

 

[Heather31]

Hi everyone! Big time lurker but just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. I've tried to think Terri is guilty as sin because so many seem sure of it, that they must be seeing something I don't. Usually it's not hard for me to think the worst of someone but I just cannot buy it this time. I completely relate to Terri's behavior (this probably should scare me) and don't see anything that screams or whispers "she's responsible". The mfh(betting this was a mountain out of a mole hill), the sexting, the fb post, the 90 minutes and the bff partner in crime-all things I could see myself doing and I'd rather set myself on fire than hurt my children or any child. Terri absolutely has bad judgement, acts immature, comes off as cold and screams low self esteem imo, but I don't see her hurting Kyron. I see her as the type that would gladly put a bullet in a "casey anthony type" but would never hurt a child. As much as it hurts to type this, a so/rso is much more realistic imo.

 

[nosysw]

Yeah, so she did but IMO it is again a different level of requirement to be able to plan something and carry it out once and to be able to keep consistently out of trouble for years and years well enough to keep one's teaching licence. A DUI and child endangerment history would cause employment difficulties for a teacher even it was an event that happened only once and if she never drank too much again after being caught. It tells us that there have been some self control issues involving alcohol but IMO it doesn't tell us that she has been constantly intoxicated ever since, enough to render her unable to ever to plan anything. If she was at that stage IMO somebody oughta have known that she was still drinking heavily.

Agreed. There is something called a "functional alcoholic" which relates to someone who is able to drink heavily on a regular (even daily) basis with no one having the slightest clue that they are alcoholics. Even when is comes up as a possiblity, people who know them closely will unequivocably deny it due to the fact that they hold important occupational and social positions. I have known (as I'm sure many of you have) people who have held down 6 figure (and more ) jobs for many, many years all the while drinking heavily outside (and sometimes inside) important job positions. I'm talking about people on Wall Street and in every other walk of life. Long way of saying I don't think heavy drinking and being able to think out a plan of any sort are mutually exclusive or even relevant to one another. MOO...

 

[liz b.]

Yeah, so she did but IMO it is again a different level of requirement to be able to plan something and carry it out once and to be able to keep consistently out of trouble for years and years well enough to keep one's teaching licence. A DUI and child endangerment history would cause employment difficulties for a teacher even it was an event that happened only once and if she never drank too much again after being caught. It tells us that there have been some self control issues involving alcohol but IMO it doesn't tell us that she has been constantly intoxicated ever since, enough to render her unable to ever to plan anything. If she was at that stage IMO somebody oughta have known that she was still drinking heavily.

I still think heavy drinking = sloppy thinking... But,hey, we can agree to disagree, huh ? LOL... I am off to Chicago, so will be away from the laptop. Hope some news breaks soon, and will keep Kyron in my prayers...


All JMO

 

[Donjeta]

I still think heavy drinking = sloppy thinking... But,hey, we can agree to disagree, huh ? LOL... I am off to Chicago, so will be away from the laptop. Hope some news breaks soon, and will keep Kyron in my prayers...


All JMO

You're right, quite often heavy drinking means sloppy thinking. I don't disagree about that. It's just that I don't know that she is a current heavy drinker and even if she is she may not be impaired all the time or all that much because there are degrees of functioning capacity. If it was Terri I think she might be beating herself up right now for some sloppy thinking she did that got her targeted as a de facto suspect. I doubt it was an intended outcome.

 

[Morag]

I still think heavy drinking = sloppy thinking...

All JMO

Not necessarily true in every case- Winston Churchill, for one example, held off the Nazis with a cigar in one hand and a bottle of brandy/champagne/whiskey in the other, and FDR was fond of a martini, as well.

 

[debs]

But again, we only have an incident 5 years ago (no one has to be a sloppy drunk to get a DUI; it just has to be that you're caught after having drunk too much that one time) to show that she even TOOK a drink. Pictures of her daughter don't seem to show a child burdened with FAS. Other than that, we have people accusing her of having a drinking problem, and even then, it was in the past, but it was presented as more dirt about Terri rather than information we should look at regarding the disappearance of Kyron and Terri's possible responsibility for that.

 

[liz b.]

Not necessarily true in every case- Winston Churchill, for one example, held off the Nazis with a cigar in one hand and a bottle of brandy/champagne/whiskey in the other, and FDR was fond of a martini, as well.

OT,
But, to continue with the history analogies : The Secret Service went out drinking the night before JFK was murdered. I wonder if it impacted their sharpness ? Gotta fly...literally...

All JMO

 

[nonfictionrocks]

#1 indicator that Terri is NOT guilty - lack of evidence of any kind is the crucial point for me.

There is no way for me to rule in or out the players in this terrible crime - lack of evidence prevails. Hearsay, gossip, gut feelings, and hating Terri does not bring justice to Kyron - finding the real perp will. moo

Because I don't hate Terri and find ill will in her every gesture and move in life, and because I don't place her in the psychopathic murderous role, should not be cause for anyone to think I'm not 1000% wanting justice for Kyorn. The two, at this point, are mutually exclusive. moo mho

I have been trying to take a leave from Kyron's case but when I read a post like this I have to log on just to say "Bravo e4c"!!

 

[nonfictionrocks]

Hi everyone! Big time lurker but just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. I've tried to think Terri is guilty as sin because so many seem sure of it, that they must be seeing something I don't. Usually it's not hard for me to think the worst of someone but I just cannot buy it this time. I completely relate to Terri's behavior (this probably should scare me) and don't see anything that screams or whispers "she's responsible". The mfh(betting this was a mountain out of a mole hill), the sexting, the fb post, the 90 minutes and the bff partner in crime-all things I could see myself doing and I'd rather set myself on fire than hurt my children or any child. Terri absolutely has bad judgement, acts immature, comes off as cold and screams low self esteem imo, but I don't see her hurting Kyron. I see her as the type that would gladly put a bullet in a "casey anthony type" but would never hurt a child. As much as it hurts to type this, a so/rso is much more realistic imo.

Nicely said Heather31 and Welcome to the forum!! I love your "mountain out of a mole hill" analogy for the MFH plot. ITA with the sexting, the FB posting, the 90 minutes and as far as having a BFF in crime, I know I have at least 3 that would come to my side to try and protect me (as I would them). Terri comes across as needy and perhaps because she is an only child who was adopted, she could be immature (isn't 40 the new 20 now).

 

[goatman]

need to vent, please forgive me!

I do not know whether or not TH is innocent or guilty. I am quite literally on the fence.

However, being on the fence does not make me a Terri supporter. Or a KH/DY/TY hater/basher/

Being on the fence doesn't make me dull, uneducated about the case, or anything else.

Being on the fence doesn't mean that I believe in TH's innocence.

Being on the fence, for me, quite simply means that I personally can find, innocent (as it relates to Kyron's disappearance) reasons for what she has done. It doesn't mean that I don't think that she doesn't have poor judgement, is emotionally troubled, or all out weird.

Being on the fence doesn't mean that I don't care about Kyron or want to see him safely in the arms of his parents. It doesn't make me less passionate about wanting the best outcome, less empathetic/sympathetic towards his parents, or less wanting of the perpetrator(s) of this crime to 'get what they deserve'.

It means that I am not quite certain that it was TH. Fencing, I am.

 

[Billylee]

need to vent, please forgive me!

I do not know whether or not TH is innocent or guilty. I am quite literally on the fence.

However, being on the fence does not make me a Terri supporter. Or a KH/DY/TY hater/basher/

Being on the fence doesn't make me dull, uneducated about the case, or anything else.

Being on the fence doesn't mean that I believe in TH's innocence.

Being on the fence, for me, quite simply means that I personally can find, innocent (as it relates to Kyron's disappearance) reasons for what she has done. It doesn't mean that I don't think that she doesn't have poor judgement, is emotionally troubled, or all out weird.

Being on the fence doesn't mean that I don't care about Kyron or want to see him safely in the arms of his parents. It doesn't make me less passionate about wanting the best outcome, less empathetic/sympathetic towards his parents, or less wanting of the perpetrator(s) of this crime to 'get what they deserve'.

It means that I am not quite certain that it was TH. Fencing, I am.

Ahhhh, TOUCHE' goatman, I'm sitting right there with you! TH has acted weirdly since I first put eyes on her, BUT I could not put her away because of that! So, in "fencing" terms, TOUCHE'.

 

[cypress]

need to vent, please forgive me!

I do not know whether or not TH is innocent or guilty. I am quite literally on the fence.

However, being on the fence does not make me a Terri supporter. Or a KH/DY/TY hater/basher/

Being on the fence doesn't make me dull, uneducated about the case, or anything else.

Being on the fence doesn't mean that I believe in TH's innocence.

Being on the fence, for me, quite simply means that I personally can find, innocent (as it relates to Kyron's disappearance) reasons for what she has done. It doesn't mean that I don't think that she doesn't have poor judgement, is emotionally troubled, or all out weird.

Being on the fence doesn't mean that I don't care about Kyron or want to see him safely in the arms of his parents. It doesn't make me less passionate about wanting the best outcome, less empathetic/sympathetic towards his parents, or less wanting of the perpetrator(s) of this crime to 'get what they deserve'.

It means that I am not quite certain that it was TH. Fencing, I am.

Thank you to infinity and beyond. This is exactly how I feel.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I really don't know one way or the other about TH being guilty or not. There are things that could point to her, but if you exclude the MFH plot and the Poly's and the fact that KH & DY are really the only people pointing to Terri as having something to do with Kyron's disapperance, because LE to my recollection have never come out and accused Terri or DDS of anything in this case! In fact to date neither of these women are even named Suspects or POI's from LE's perspective. Most of our information is coming from KH & DY far as i know. I wonder what makes them so sure?
It is interesting because i think if LE had just one thing to make them suspect anything about TH involved in Kyron's disapperance, surely she would have been named as a POI by now, that is the thing i just can't seem to comprehend.
There seems to be no focus at all on anyone else though, in the bio parents minds it seems? That is the dilemma for me, that LE are saying one thing, yet the bio parents are saying something completely different!

 

[gliving]

September 15
Multnomah County District Attorney Michael Schrunk

"There is no one standing there with a smoking gun"

“It is not a slam-dunk case”

 

[Donjeta]

September 15
Multnomah County District Attorney Michael Schrunk

"There is no one standing there with a smoking gun"

“It is not a slam-dunk case”

Where are you going with this gliving? Are you thinking that it would be more likely to be a slam-dunk case with a smoking gun and the works if it had been Terri?