Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

[otto]

They are stateless.
Eternal refugees.
With no rights as citizens.
Half of them are minors and children.
They are trapped on this slip of land in area of one of the most populous places on Earth.

The government and citizens of Gaza had a choice. They could build their community to look like Dubai, or they could build it to look like Beirut. They chose the latter. No one is to blame for that except the government and citizens of Gaza.

If the people of Gaza had built a clean, civilized, productive, healthy society, they would have a much better circumstance today. They made the wrong choices for a long time. Now, the choices should be taken out of their hands.

No one wants people who grow up thinking that murder, beheading, maiming, terrorizing and torturing people with different beliefs is okay. No one wants a society like that in our civilized world.

 

[Brightchaser47]

IDF: Today, Hamas' tunnel infrastructure was exposed inside the hospital and a booby-trapped vehicle prepared for the #October7massacre contained a large number of weapons and ammunition was discoveredIn parallel, as part of the activity and searches in Rantisi Hospital, troops continued to unearth an operational tunnel

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725236822047895601

I'm wondering if these hospitals are connected by tunnels. Forgive me if that's already been mentioned (I'm trying to catch up).

 

[Cryptic]

I've had a love for Gaza area since I was child, wanted to be Jewish, the chosen ones.(Baptist). I was fascinated by the stories of this beautiful promise land.The world must fix this. Terrorist have no right to this land!!!

We have somethings in common.

After getting a catalog of 95 cent military books, I started ordering books about Israeli Army and read the books to tatters. I even taped up General Dayan's (Israeli hero) photo in my room. Maybe the only 5th grader in KS with that?

Years later, my wife met a Palestinian woman at a playground. She had helped train US Special Forces in Arabic after 9/11- even tried to enlist in the Army (something I never did). She was told she could better serve as a trainer.

She was so ordinary: Non drinking Muslim - but bought my wife a margarita. Proudly divorced after finding her husband's "single Muslim page"- and p-rn hobby. Very patriotic- in a dual sense. Loved America and her Palestinian people.

I learned alot from her. She taught me about a whole other side to Israel and to the conflict.

I don't know where she is today. She could well be at a protest. If she is, she is protesting as a Palestinian- not a Hamas supporter and not as a liberal. I wish I still knew her.

 

[MyBelle]

Hamas can't be blamed for the West Bank violence.

JMO

France Slams Israeli Settlers’ ‘Policy of Terror’ in West Bank

Mussa Qawasma/ReutersFrance described Israeli settlers’ violence in the West Bank as a “policy of terror” on Thursday. Foreign ministry spokesperson Anne-Claire Legendre told reporters that the bloodshed was deliberately intended to displace Palestinians and called for Israeli authorities to do...

news.yahoo.com

France described Israeli settlers’ violence in the West Bank as a “policy of terror” on Thursday. Foreign ministry spokesperson Anne-Claire Legendre told reporters that the bloodshed was deliberately intended to displace Palestinians and called for Israeli authorities to do more to protect them. She also said that the future of Gaza should not be decided by Israel, and that the enclave should form part of a future Palestinian state.

 

[Friday Fan]

The government and citizens of Gaza had a choice. They could build their community to look like Dubai, or they could build it to look like Beirut. They chose the latter. No one is to blame for that except the government and citizens of Gaza.

If the people of Gaza had built a clean, civilized, productive, healthy society, they would have a much better circumstance today. They made the wrong choices for a long time. Now, the choices should be taken out of their hands.

No one wants people who grow up thinking that murder, beheading, maiming, terrorizing and torturing people with different beliefs is okay. No one wants a society like that in our civilized world.

Beirut was beautiful until 2016, but corruption took over. It was known as Paris of the Middle East.
Dubai has oil money. Tons of it.
Gaza does not.

Just because some lady on TV said this doesn't make it a fact

Gaza is basically an Indian Reservation where no one can leave.

Gaza has 2.4 million people in 140 square miles. There are no job opportunities. No economy. Nobody can come or go. Foreigners can't come in and buy things. There are no export opportunities. Nothing. It is legally part of Israel. It's a welfare state, that now has a terrorist run govt.

 

[justtrish]

Bodies were removed from the morgue at Shifa....
Hagari said he will update once that have further details.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-spokesman-dodges-question-on-alleged-removal-of-bodies-from-shifa-hospital/

IDF spokesman dodges question on alleged removal of bodies from Shifa Hospital​

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By EMANUEL FABIAN Today, 10:40 pm 1


Earlier today, Shifa’s director, Muhammad Abu Salmiya, and Hamas health authorities in Gaza claimed in an interview with Al Jazeera that the IDF removed many bodies from the hospital morgue.

“It’s a focused, accurate operation… in the operation, we found underground [infrastructure], weapons, and we found information relating to the hostages, and next to the hospital we found Yehudit Weiss,” he says.

So I am a tad behind in reading, but I am curious if the IDF think any of those bodies they took were of hostages? Where they suspected HAMAS terrorists? Just two thoughts I have on why they might have taken bodies from the morgue.. because I don't see any reason to take random people from a morgue. Even during a war.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Gaza is basically an Indian Reservation where no one can leave.

Gaza has 2.4 million people in 140 square miles. There are no job opportunities. No economy. Nobody can come or go. Foreigners can't come in and buy things. There are no export opportunities. Nothing. It is legally part of Israel. It's a welfare state, that now has a terrorist run govt.

That can all change now. The Gaza strip needs to be rebuilt after the war. There will be more jobs than people to fill them. Gaza needs new post secondary schools to train people for full time jobs and good pay cheques going forward. There's no excuse to allow Gaza to return to a dirty, garbage and graffiti filled State where young men live in tunnels and play with their weapons.

RSBM

 

[SouthAussie]

The government and citizens of Gaza had a choice. They could build their community to look like Dubai, or they could build it to look like Beirut. They chose the latter. No one is to blame for that except the government and citizens of Gaza.

If the people of Gaza had built a clean, civilized, productive, healthy society, they would have a much better circumstance today. They made the wrong choices for a long time. Now, the choices should be taken out of their hands.

No one wants people who grow up thinking that murder, beheading, maiming, terrorizing and torturing people with different beliefs is okay. No one wants a society like that in our civilized world.

Yes, though I don't think it is as cut-and-dried as that. We must remember that the citizens have had no choice since 2006. Probably unaware they would have their voting rights stripped from them.

When Hamas was elected in 2006, it was deemed a "shock victory". There was no single district in Gaza that had a majority vote for Hamas. Hamas claimed the most seats with only 44% of the vote. Only ONE more seat than the Fatah Movement.

This is the election results ....

Wayback Machine

I found the election results through a link in this article by the Washington Post.
The election that led to Hamas taking over Gaza

imo

 

[MyBelle]

Why on earth has the Israeli army been attacking civilians in the West Bank? I had no idea this kind of hatred and violence is being inflicted on non-Jewish civilians. No wonder there have been so many protests.
JMO

West Bank: Palestinian Christian fears invasion | ICN

Walid Basha is a Palestinian Christian of Jenin, in the West Bank, and a professor of microbiology at the An-Najah National University. He spoke with Vatican News from his home town about his fear that the larger of the two Palestinian territories could suffer the same fate as Gaza: an ...

www.indcatholicnews.com

West Bank: Palestinian Christian fears invasion​

Prof Basha still has a vivid memory of 3 July 2023, when the Israeli army conducted the most massive attack on the area since 2002.

"It happened at 9.30 in the morning, while everyone was at school or at work. About 4,000 students were unable to leave their school until late at night. Today the whole city is surrounded by snipers, soldiers, and tanks. It's terrible. We are at war. Fifteen Palestinians were killed here in a single day. We count the numbers," Prof Basha lamented, adding that they are not numbers but human beings.

 

[otto]

Beirut was beautiful until 2016, but corruption took over. It was known as Paris of the Middle East.
Dubai has oil money. Tons of it.
Gaza does not.

Just because some lady on TV said this doesn't make it a fact

Gaza is basically an Indian Reservation where no one can leave.

Gaza has 2.4 million people in 140 square miles. There are no job opportunities. No economy. Nobody can come or go. Foreigners can't come in and buy things. There are no export opportunities. Nothing. It is legally part of Israel. It's a welfare state, that now has a terrorist run govt.

This looks like a website for tourism in Gaza ... where to eat, what to see and so on.

Gaza - Wonders Travel and Tourism

the strip is 140-square mile Extended of area located along the Mediterranean coast between Egypt and Palestine , has endured what no one on the earth has endured before decades of protest, military operations and violence as Israel and the Palestinian Authority have both asserted the right to...

jordan-travel.com

 

[JennieM]

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They haven't been able to govern themselves for 17 years.

Lucky and clever us that we weren’t born in Gaza and we are able to govern ourselves.

 

[JennieM]

27m ago

A press freedom group has said it is “highly alarmed” by widespread reports of a communications blackout in Gaza due to a fuel shortage.

The complete shutdown of communications services throughout the GazaStrip poses “an extreme risk” to the lives of journalists reporting in Gaza, the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) said.

A statement from Sherif Mansour, CPJ’s Middle East and North Africa programme coordinator, reads:

By withholding fuel from Gaza, the Israeli government is preventing journalists in Gaza from providing the world with updates on the war, leaving the international community vulnerable to deadly propaganda, disinformation, and misinformation.
The Israeli and Egyptian governments must immediately allow fuel into the Gaza Strip as part of the essential humanitarian assistance needed in the region.

Gaza civilians ‘face immediate possibility of starvation’ – as it happened

This blog is now closed. Read our recent coverage at the link below:

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

Latest pictures from Gaza​

We've been hearing a lot today about the situation at the Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City, but we've also been receiving photos from across the Gaza Strip.

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People mourn loved ones in the southern city of Khan Younis

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This young girl is one of many people who have been brought to Nasser Medical Hospital in Khan Younis

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A cancer patient receives treatment at the same hospital, after being evacuated from one further north

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Smoke engulfs the sky along the boundary between Israel and Gaza

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Israeli troops walk through Gaza, in an image released by the Israel Defense Forces

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67423274

 

[Friday Fan]

This looks like a website for tourism in Gaza ... where to eat, what to see and so on.

Gaza - Wonders Travel and Tourism

the strip is 140-square mile Extended of area located along the Mediterranean coast between Egypt and Palestine , has endured what no one on the earth has endured before decades of protest, military operations and violence as Israel and the Palestinian Authority have both asserted the right to...

jordan-travel.com

It sounds like Nuevo Laredo in the travel ad. Eat and shop. (Nuevo Laredo does not have beaches)


This is Dubai.

City Guide: Dubai, U.A.E. - Go Next

CITY GUIDE: DUBAI, U.A.E. Dubai has a well-earned reputation for leaving visitors in awe, a distinction that grows with each outrageous new building project. And from shopping in jumbo-sized malls, ...

www.gonext.com

Here is Beirut in 2023. This is after the economic collapse.

https://www.politico.eu/cdn-cgi/image/width=1024,quality=80,onerror=redirect,format=auto/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/24/GettyImages-1207932442.jpg

 

[otto]

Everyone enjoys a beach destination as long as there are no bombs being lobbed at Israel and no terrorists living in underground tunnels. Gaza made a choice, and they have to make a different choice going forward.

I don't think we have room in our world for people who brag after massacring farm community civilians.

 

[JennieM]

45 min ago

Israel’s invasion of Gaza has set “the whole region on fire,” Jordan's foreign minister says​

From CNN’s Catherine Nicholls in London
Israel’s invasion of Gaza has destroyed decades of work to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and set “the whole region on fire,” Jordan's foreign minister told CNN on Thursday.

“Israel is not producing security for itself by the killing of innocent Palestinians,” Jordan's Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi said. “It's putting the whole region on fire again, and it has destroyed the hard work that many had made over the decades to make sure that we come to a peaceful conclusion to this conflict.”

Israel had “killed any embrace of peace in the region” and its war against Hamas had pushed regional relations back more than 30 years, Safadi said.

The Jordanian government had been in talks with Israel about exchanging solar power for energy but these discussions have now stopped because people “don’t see any value” in dealing with Israel as its ground offensive in Gaza continues, Safadi said.

He said he thought the evidence Israel had offered to back its claim that Hamas had a “command node” under the Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City was “just ridiculous” and an “insult to intelligence.”

He also pushed back on Israel’s claim that its military operations in Gaza were self-defense.

“Any other country in the world that would have done a fragment of what Israel is doing would have been under sanctions by now,” Safadi said. “This is not self-defense. This is raw, ugly, vengeance, and the world has a responsibility to stop it.”

November 16, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

Israel released a photo and video of an alleged "operational tunnel shaft" it claimed was found in the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza. Hamas rejected the claim as "baseless lies."

edition.cnn.com

 

[JennieM]

With Israeli leaders declaring control of the northern part of Gaza, including Gaza City, there are growing indications that a ground offensive into the southern part of the strip could be imminent.

Aid organizations said any Israeli move into the south of the enclave could make an already bad humanitarian situation considerably worse.

November 16, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

Israel released a photo and video of an alleged "operational tunnel shaft" it claimed was found in the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza. Hamas rejected the claim as "baseless lies."

edition.cnn.com

 

[MyBelle]

MSN

Goldman and Booker, the only two lawmakers who were in Israel during the Oct. 7 Hamas attack, argue that violence by settlers undermines the Palestinian Authority, which they view as a crucial partner in attempting to unify Gaza and the West Bank as part of an eventual peace plan that establishes a Palestinian state alongside Israel.

“We strongly believe that a two-state solution remains the only genuine option to achieve a just, secure, and prosperous future for both Israelis and Palestinians,” the lawmakers wrote. “However, settler violence against Palestinian civilians destroys the very seeds of trust and cooperation needed to make progress toward a two-state outcome and an enduring peace in the region."

The White House did not immediately respond to NBC News' request for comment on the letter.

Israeli violence against Palestinians in the West Bank is one of the issues straining the relationship between the U.S. and Israel, and Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu earlier this month that the incidents are "unacceptable," according to the State Department. The lawmakers, both Biden allies with strong ties to Israel, appear to be bolstering the president's position at a delicate moment for his domestic politics and his relationship with Netanyahu.

 

[Friday Fan]

RSBM

Israel calls all the shots, not Gaza. Gaza has been on an Israeli blockade since 2005. It will be a welfare state after this instead of a terrorist run state. Israel is gonna be the one that will need to provide economic development. Gaza is part of Israel. It's not a country.

 

[Leve]

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Beirut was beautiful until 2016, but corruption took over. It was known as Paris of the Middle East.
Dubai has oil money. Tons of it.
Gaza does not.

Just because some lady on TV said this doesn't make it a fact

Gaza is basically an Indian Reservation where no one can leave.

Gaza has 2.4 million people in 140 square miles. There are no job opportunities. No economy. Nobody can come or go. Foreigners can't come in and buy things. There are no export opportunities. Nothing. It is legally part of Israel. It's a welfare state, that now has a terrorist run govt.

I keep seeing the population quoted. Brooklyn has 2.5 million people crammed on 97 square miles. Population density really doesn't mean much.

When the Palestinians elected Hamas in 2006, that's when they were shut down. Who said elections have consequences?

Also unlike the Indian reservations Palestinians get Billions in foreign aid. Billions.

I hope after this is all over Gaza can be built back into a wonderful area. We just have to wait and see if the Palestinians still hate Israel more than they care about their futures and families.