Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #12

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Two sources familiar with the truce talks have told AFP a tentative deal includes a five-day truce, comprised of a ceasefire on the ground and limits to Israeli air operations over southern Gaza.

In return, between 50 and 100 prisoners held by Hamas and Islamic Jihad – a separate Palestinian militant group – would be released.

They would include Israeli civilians and captives of other nationalities, but no military personnel.

 
  • #622
Two sources familiar with the truce talks have told AFP a tentative deal includes a five-day truce, comprised of a ceasefire on the ground and limits to Israeli air operations over southern Gaza.

In return, between 50 and 100 prisoners held by Hamas and Islamic Jihad – a separate Palestinian militant group – would be released.

They would include Israeli civilians and captives of other nationalities, but no military personnel.

Touch wood :)
Fingers crossed :)

What else for good luck? :D

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Faith, Hope, Love, Luck
 
  • #623
Touch wood :)
Fingers crossed :)

What else for good luck? :D

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Gosh it’s going to be an amazing feeling to hear that 50 hostages taken on October 7 have actually been released, hoping so much for them and their families, imagine how they must feel right now. To hear that an agreement has actually been made…

Hoping Hamas doesn’t pull something. Like retract. It wouldn't be a surprise.
 
  • #624
Two sources familiar with the truce talks have told AFP a tentative deal includes a five-day truce, comprised of a ceasefire on the ground and limits to Israeli air operations over southern Gaza.

In return, between 50 and 100 prisoners held by Hamas and Islamic Jihad – a separate Palestinian militant group – would be released.

They would include Israeli civilians and captives of other nationalities, but no military personnel.

Fingers and toes crossed. I so hope this is true. Those families have been in agony for too long.
JMO
 
  • #625
Amid the IDF's ground operation in the Gaza Strip, the military says it carried out airstrikes against some 250 Hamas targets over the past day, including operatives, rocket launchers, and infrastructure.
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A Hamas rocket launcher which fired at central Israel yesterday was struck overnight. The IDF says the launcher was positioned adjacent to a residential building.
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Reservists of the Harel Brigade found a cache of weapons at the home of a member of Hamas's Nukhba forces, and the 14th Brigade found an anti-tank missile hidden under an infant's bed, in the northern Gaza Strip, the IDF says.
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So some quick thoughts, of course not thrilled about this prisoner stuff, we’ll see what the actual confirmed deal is…I don’t think Israel is going to release any high-value prisoners in a potential future Sinwar situation, al though who knows what one could evolve into… As Israel has stated and emphasized over and over, their #1 goal is to dismantle Hamas, stop them from governing in the future, and protect Israel from Hamas’ threat in the future. I think, as I stated, that this will be even if it comes to having to pick between this and the hostages.

We will see. Gosh it will be huge to get 50 out, especially children and at this stage where it seems the hostage situation was deteriorating...time is of course of essence.

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Re: the ceasefire, I’m thinking/hoping that since they’ve already killed a lot of Hamas leaders, damaged and seized a lot of terrorist infrastructure, are already in command of major areas, are physically on the ground, etc., that the 5 day ceasefire will have minimal strategic effects as far as the compromising the operation to annihilate Hamas.
 
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So some quick thoughts, of course not thrilled about this prisoner stuff, we’ll see what the actual confirmed deal is…I don’t think Israel is going to release any high-value prisoners in a potential future Sinwar situation, al though who knows what one could evolve into… As Israel has stated and emphasized over and over, their #1 goal is to dismantle Hamas, stop them from governing in the future, and protect Israel from Hamas’ threat in the future. I think, as I stated, that this will be even if it comes to having to pick between this and the hostages.

We will see. Gosh it will be huge to get 50 out, especially at this stage where it seems hostage situation was deteriorating..time is of essence.
With all due respect, Israel's #1 goal should be to return the hostages to their homes and deescalate the war. To even suggest that the Israel government will "pick" between the hostages and war is truly sickening. imo.

Israel will have no say as to what or who will govern Gaza nor West Bank Palestinians in the future nor should they.

Terrorists will never be dismantled completely. The U.S. has agencies monitoring domestic and foreign terrorism in order to protect us and prevent another 9/11. To assume terrorists no longer exist is pure folly.
JMO
 
  • #629
Richard Brennan, a WHO official based in Cairo, has given an update on the condition of 28 premature babies evacuated to Egypt from Gaza.

Speaking to ABC NewsRadio in Australia on Tuesday, Brennan said the babies were “not out of the woods yet” but he was “cautiously optimistic” they would make a recovery.

“We’re cautiously optimistic they will do well but we have to watch them very, very closely,” he said. “They can still develop further complications and deteriorate acutely. They’re not out of the woods yet by any means, so they need that intensive care for some time to come.”

Brennan also said a number of the babies had been orphaned.

“We originally were told that none of them [their parents] could be found but, as we’ve heard over the last 24 hours, several did turn up,” he said. “So that’s a huge relief for those little ones.”

WHO doctor says 28 babies evacuated from Gaza ‘not out of woods yet’
 
  • #630
Richard Brennan, a WHO official based in Cairo, has given an update on the condition of 28 premature babies evacuated to Egypt from Gaza.

Speaking to ABC NewsRadio in Australia on Tuesday, Brennan said the babies were “not out of the woods yet” but he was “cautiously optimistic” they would make a recovery.

“We’re cautiously optimistic they will do well but we have to watch them very, very closely,” he said. “They can still develop further complications and deteriorate acutely. They’re not out of the woods yet by any means, so they need that intensive care for some time to come.”

Brennan also said a number of the babies had been orphaned.

“We originally were told that none of them [their parents] could be found but, as we’ve heard over the last 24 hours, several did turn up,” he said. “So that’s a huge relief for those little ones.”

WHO doctor says 28 babies evacuated from Gaza ‘not out of woods yet’


Some of those evacuated babies looked sooo sick. :(
 
  • #631

"This tactic was used by Napoleon,

and today Hamas uses it.

This is why Israel still cannot defeat it.

Although Israel has overwhelming conventional advantages and U.S. support,
it still cannot defeat Hamas.

All thanks to the tactics it uses to paralyze the enemy's forces.
An attack in open terrain using several mechanized vehicles and mortars would be suicide for Hamas.

Recognizing significant technological differences and the disproportion of power in Israel's favor, it adjusts its actions.


For example,
in Ukraine, the extensive use of drones has provided greater visibility of the battlefield - meaning there are few places to hide significant combat power, logistical facilities and command posts.

Hamas is trying to take away this advantage in Gaza from Israel.

Its fighters are hiding in apartment buildings, labyrinths of tunnels, as well as mosques, schools and hospitals, trying to 'blend in' with the civilian population.

Equally important,
by dispersing its forces and logistical supplies, Hamas is trying to create the impression that it is much smaller and has much fewer strategic goals than it actually is.

As Israel detects broadcast signals more effectively, Hamas has changed its tactics accordingly -
sending fewer signals.

The militant group knows that phone calls and other instant messaging will quickly be detected by the enemy, as will text communications.
Therefore, it has created strict rules for the use of mobile phones, thus reducing the risk of the adversary detecting messages about planned events, such as the attacks on October 7.

Precision weapons – from man-portable Javelins to long-range ATACMS guided missiles – are everywhere now. The ability to combine drone sensors with precision-guided artillery, JDAM missiles, and anti-tank weapons is a commander's dream come true - one shot, one kill.
It no longer takes hundreds of artillery shells or bombs to attack a target when a single JDAM missile or drone can blow up an entire headquarters.

Israel has the same capabilities, but in the Gaza Strip it plays a much smaller role.

There, Israel's overwhelming advantage is diminished by Hamas's camouflage and tunnels, as well as the fact that it has only a few missile launch sites and mortar positions.

It has virtually no large military formations, mechanized vehicles or ammunition stocks that could become the target of attack.

We should also not forget that the side that chooses the time, place and method of fighting has the advantage in war.

In the past, Napoleon was a master of this,
today Hamas uses it -
it is not without reason that it initiates military operations in dense, crowded urban areas.


This is by far the most difficult form of fighting, and it helps eliminate Israel's enormous numerical, equipment and technological advantage.

There is much to be said for Hamas's communications strategy, ardent population and radical ideology.

However,
its ability to minimize the impact of the latest technologies that proved crucial in the war in Ukraine cannot be overlooked.

Over the past year, the world has watched as the Russian Goliath tries to destroy Ukraine, which, thanks to new technologies, is fighting on an equal footing with the aggressor.

However, this will not be the case in Gaza.
Hamas certainly won't win, but that doesn't mean it will definitely lose."

 
  • #632
With all due respect, Israel's #1 goal should be to return the hostages to their homes and deescalate the war. To even suggest that the Israel government will "pick" between the hostages and war is truly sickening. imo.

That is why some Israeli hostages relatives walked out of a meeting on Monday evening.


Several relatives of the Israelis being held hostage by Hamas in the Gaza Strip walked out of a meeting with members of the war cabinet on Monday evening – some of them expressing their disappointment when they were told that the goals of freeing the hostages and toppling Hamas are equally important.

“It’s a huge disappointment. If the State of Israel wants to prove that it sanctifies life above all else, that it really believes in the value of human life, words are not enough. It has to be the paramount goal of the war. We sanctify life and we bring our people home alive.”

Relatives of Israeli hostages walk out of meeting with war cabinet
 
  • #633
With all due respect, Israel's #1 goal should be to return the hostages to their homes and deescalate the war. To even suggest that the Israel government will "pick" between the hostages and war is truly sickening. imo.

Israel will have no say as to what or who will govern Gaza nor West Bank Palestinians in the future nor should they.

Terrorists will never be dismantled completely. The U.S. has agencies monitoring domestic and foreign terrorism in order to protect us and prevent another 9/11. To assume terrorists no longer exist is pure folly.
JMO


Israel’s #1 goal is to dismantle Hamas and stop them from governing and eliminate the future terroristic threats to Israel. They’ve said it over and over. Don’t shoot the messenger. Of course they want to bring the hostages home and they’ve been working on it and this is also a top priority. It doesn’t mean they don’t want them home, are not working to bring them home, it just means their #1 goal is to dismantle Hamas, period. If this was not true, then they wouldn’t have been bombing to begin with. I stand by my assessment of what I think Israel’s top priority is, based on what they’ve said.


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That is why some Israeli hostages relatives walked out of a meeting on Monday evening.


Several relatives of the Israelis being held hostage by Hamas in the Gaza Strip walked out of a meeting with members of the war cabinet on Monday evening – some of them expressing their disappointment when they were told that the goals of freeing the hostages and toppling Hamas are equally important.

“It’s a huge disappointment. If the State of Israel wants to prove that it sanctifies life above all else, that it really believes in the value of human life, words are not enough. It has to be the paramount goal of the war. We sanctify life and we bring our people home alive.”

Relatives of Israeli hostages walk out of meeting with war cabinet

Exactly. And this element has been present since the beginning.
 
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  • #634
That is why some Israeli hostages relatives walked out of a meeting on Monday evening.


Several relatives of the Israelis being held hostage by Hamas in the Gaza Strip walked out of a meeting with members of the war cabinet on Monday evening – some of them expressing their disappointment when they were told that the goals of freeing the hostages and toppling Hamas are equally important.

“It’s a huge disappointment. If the State of Israel wants to prove that it sanctifies life above all else, that it really believes in the value of human life, words are not enough. It has to be the paramount goal of the war. We sanctify life and we bring our people home alive.”

Relatives of Israeli hostages walk out of meeting with war cabinet
I don't blame those families for walking out. The news media emphasis has seemed to be on "antisemitic" protests. I don't believe that is what is happening here. I think the protests are against the Israel government--not the Jewish religion-- and its extreme political policies. It has nothing to do with religion.

JMO
 
  • #635
It's fake and created by Israelis. Source that it's fake: Haaretz, which is an Israeli newspaper.

Israelis hijack Hamas.com, turning it into a display of October 7 atrocities

Israelis Hijack Hamas.com, Turning It Into a Display of October 7 Atrocities​

A counter on the site proudly declares 1,400 'Zionist civilians murdered,' 41 'Zionists children & babies murdered and burnt alive.' The website does not appear to be linked to Hamas, whose actual website, Hamas.ps, currently appears to be offline

Snapshots of hamas.com preserved by the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine show that as far back as 2005 the domain had been acquired by apparent cybersquatters, who used it for posting links to “Jewish Singles,” “Arabsex,” and “Free Casino Games.”

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This is brilliant.

I wonder how many have clicked on the "donate" button ... and what their IPs are. I'm sure Israel knows.
 
  • #636
She did the same thing that neutral politicians are saying ... they say that Hamas as wrong and in the same breath warn everyone about not misbehaving against Hamas. She said the same thing.
I don't know about what the others have said but I was pleased that HRC acknowledged that she'd been there -- (the Gaza strip), confirmed the tunnels and stock piling was real, that Hamas uses the cease fire to regroup and reload, and confirmed the countless times Hamas violated their agreements before, during and after she was SOS. And most important -- the number of innocent parties caught there by surprise such as the Thai agriculture workers.

I almost passed on the tweeted segment because I find the host show does not seek the truth spoken if it's contrary to the current weeks agenda. JME.
 
  • #637
This is brilliant.

I wonder how many have clicked on the "donate" button ... and what their IPs are. I'm sure Israel knows.
Well, I went to that site and clicked on "donate" just to see what it was all about..LOL


I wonder if it really works or anything? I know nothing about cryptocurrency. I don't know if those are even legit donation links or what.
 
  • #638
Noting for the record, I’m not going to be automatically unconcerned about releasing prisoners just because they are women. Of course we don’t know what their alleged rap sheets may or may not be, but have to wonder why are some of them may be prisoners to begin with. Let’s not forget how many ISIS, including leaders, were women.

The difference here, as far as women for women trade, we know none of the Israeli hostages are terrorists. As far as the Palestinian prisoners, we don’t know what their crimes may be, or why they are imprisoned. If these Palestinian female prisoners have no terrorist activity, etc. in their records, and are wrongfully in prison, then that’s another story.

We’ll see what happens. Again, I don’t think Israel will go for releasing high-value prisoners, esp. after Sinwar, but who knows.
 
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Israel’s #1 goal is to dismantle Hamas and stop them from governing and eliminate the future terroristic threats to Israel. They’ve said it over and over. Don’t shoot the messenger. Of course they want to bring the hostages home and they’ve been working on it and this is also a top priority. It doesn’t mean they don’t want them home, are not working to bring them home, it just means their #1 goal is to dismantle Hamas, period. If this was not true, then they wouldn’t have been bombing to begin with. I stand by my assessment of what I think Israel’s top priority is, based on what they’ve said.


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Exactly. And this element has been present since the beginning.
Israel's goal is not being met with approval by other countries. "Dismantling Hamas" is perceived as actually "ethnic cleansing" of Palestinians because of the incredible number of deaths of Palestinian women and children.

Does Israel really want to bring the hostages home? Why have the families of hostages had to protest and march on the PM's home? Why have the families had to protest the war cabinet's goal of passing a law that makes taking of hostages a war crime? They are terrified that will result in their loved ones being murdered. Nobody in Israel's government is listening to these families and it is being noted around the world.

Israel's political conduct about the violence in the West Bank is also being noted by world leaders, including Pres. Biden.
JMO

 
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"Horrifying new Nova festival footage shows Hamas killers chase down fleeing Israelis, grabbing one by her hair and shooting her before executing her friend as she begged for mercy - as terrorists' shocking arsenal of weapons is revealed."

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