Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #4

[Chimera]

I agree with you, except for this part about 'normal humans'.

I think, historically, that is the 'normal world'. Young men set loose to massacre, rape and pillage, using the maximum cruelty against their perceived enemies. Rwanda is a recent example, but it used to happen everywhere, even the Roman's main form of entertainment was throwing enemies to the lions, etc.



JMO

Snipped for focus.
Bbm.
Agreed with your comment totally, that the 'normal' for some is killing.
How sad.

Horrifying to think that some adults will raise their children to think it's ok, because that (faulty, imo !) thinking may ensure that these young people may never live a long, full life.
They might kill even before adulthood, and then be killed themselves in a battle that they shouldn't have been forced into.
No future to speak of !
Omo.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Calls for violence against Jews rose by 1,200% with NYC emerging as epicenter of threats: report

https://x.com/nypost/status/1713986210698301895?s=20

 

[mickey2942]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/business/upenn-antisemitism-israel-huntsman/index.html

Prior to Hamas attacks, UPenn had a Palestinian dialogue that was "Pro Palestinian". And yes, "Anti Semetic", regarding the treatment of Palestinians in Gaza by Israel. It was held in September.

Now, knee jerk reaction by Jon Huntsman to snap hid checkbook shut, because he didn't like it. Fine. He can do what he wants with his money.

But, this is the United States, where people are free to say what they want. Poor timing, admittedly, but are we going to quash all dissenting viewpoints now? I hope not. I am definitely not antisemitic nor pro Palestinian. But, I embrace the fact that in the United States, we can hear information from both sides.

 

[Momoffourboys]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/business/upenn-antisemitism-israel-huntsman/index.html

Prior to Hamas attacks, UPenn had a Palestinian dialogue that was "Pro Palestinian". And yes, "Anti Semetic", regarding the treatment of Palestinians in Gaza by Israel. It was held in September.

Now, knee jerk reaction by Jon Huntsman to snap hid checkbook shut, because he didn't like it. Fine. He can do what he wants with his money.

But, this is the United States, where people are free to say what they want. Poor timing, admittedly, but are we going to quash all dissenting viewpoints now? I hope not. I am definitely not antisemitic nor pro Palestinian. But, I embrace the fact that in the United States, we can hear information from both sides.

From your article:

“The University’s silence in the face of reprehensible and historic Hamas evil against the people of Israel (when the only response should be outright condemnation) is a new low,” Huntsman wrote to Magill in a letter obtained by CNN. “Silence is antisemitism, and antisemitism is hate, the very thing higher ed was built to obviate.”

Not so much about Pro-Palestinian rallies. More so about UPenn not condemning Hamas massacre. IMO.

 

[Friday Fan]

It seems very quiet in Gaza City this evening.
I hear a few planes.
Only one building appears to have lights.
There are lights in the distance, but I assume the lights are in Israel.

I saw some smoke before sunset, but it seems quiet compared to the other night.

I don't know if I can link to You Tube live cam channel.
But Google: LIVE Multi-Cam: Views from Israel and Gaza amid ongoing fighting

Atm: Several men sound like they are shouting and a woman is crying.
But the men's accents sound kinda like they might be naturally loud. My grandfather (who had almost no formal schooling) kinda talked like that all the time. Maybe it's a lower education thing.

Then the men all said something in unison. It sounded almost like a chant before a team plays. Now they're quiet. Weird.
I wonder what they're saying???

 

[otto]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/business/upenn-antisemitism-israel-huntsman/index.html

Prior to Hamas attacks, UPenn had a Palestinian dialogue that was "Pro Palestinian". And yes, "Anti Semetic", regarding the treatment of Palestinians in Gaza by Israel. It was held in September.

Now, knee jerk reaction by Jon Huntsman to snap hid checkbook shut, because he didn't like it. Fine. He can do what he wants with his money.

But, this is the United States, where people are free to say what they want. Poor timing, admittedly, but are we going to quash all dissenting viewpoints now? I hope not. I am definitely not antisemitic nor pro Palestinian. But, I embrace the fact that in the United States, we can hear information from both sides.

Factual information should be freely shared, but opinion should respect the autonomy of others. That is, when someone sees with their own eyes that one person violently butchered another person for no reason other than their religious beliefs, then we need to be cautious regarding blaming the victim.

CAUTION: VIOLENT GRAPHIC CONTENT

 

[Chelly]

I haven't posted much but I've been following since this nightmare began. I've seen this question a lot, and it's a valid question for sure. I couldn't answer it myself but I've followed some insight here and elsewhere from folks that have a way deeper understanding of all this than I do.

The way these savages can do what they do, is because their racist idealogy teaches them to believe (from a VERY young age) that Jewish people don't have any good or decent qualities and literally deserve their god's full wrath. As analogies go, none are perfect but in a sense, it's like when we take a swatter and swat flies. Most folks don't give a second thought to it, because just they're just annoying, gross, dirty vermin that make our lives miserable. So we get rid of them, and the "violent" way we do it isn't something that bothers us in the least.

In a very real way, from what I've come to understand, that's how these savages think of the Jewish people. That they deserve not only death, but all of the utter inhuman indignities being done to them, that we're reading about & seeing in pics and videos. Hamas is genuinely proud of what they're doing, and that's why they're recording and taking so many pics of it. It's been said many times that these monsters don't think the same way normal human beings think, and that's something that's hard to come to terms with but that's how & why they are able to do what they do.

jmo

Many Anthropologists agree with you @Ontario Mom. Since early childhood, behaving as savages towards Jews is all they have ever known. It has gone on for generation after generation after generation as part of their thought process and reasoning and is likely included in their DNA imo

 

[Momoffourboys]

BREAKING: Hamas military spokesperson says the group is holding an estimated 200 hostages, adding that other terror groups in Gaza are holding more hostages
He clarified that foreign nationals are not being considered hostages and will be freed “when conditions allow”

https://x.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1713997416930693271?s=20

 

[Arkay]

Using cruise ships after war ships are in place makes perfect sense to me!

I wonder if Egypt would allow cruise ships to provide "camps" for refugees.

JMO

I’ve been on Royal Caribbean cruises a million times.

It’s wise to do this right now, but we have to remember Royal Caribbean is a business.
I‘m certain they have many future cruises already booked for regular passengers. Especially since so many couldn’t cruise during the worst of Covid.

At the moment they can do this because leisure cruises in and out of Israel had to be cancelled for safety reasons, and I’m sure they are being paid, but as a permanent floating home, I don’t see that as possible.

Maybe if a rich Arab country decided to take them on military or other ships, but a commercial cruise ship can’t, IMO, just dump all its future passengers and itineraries.

JMO

 

[Friday Fan]

Aren't the cruise ships docking in Israel?

Gaza is where everyone is stuck. I read that Gaza had no ports.

 

[Elley Mae]

Monday’s boat trip from Haifa is not free: Those who board the ship, like those who are taking advantage of the chartered flights, will be required to sign an agreement to repay the U.S. government for the cost of the trip.

Those on board will be responsible for arranging their own accommodations and onward travel from Cyprus, adding that if travelers “are unable to secure onward travel from Cyprus, chartered flights are also being arranged.”

U.S. Embassy organizes emergency evacuation by ship for Americans wanting to leave Israel

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Charlot123]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/business/upenn-antisemitism-israel-huntsman/index.html

Prior to Hamas attacks, UPenn had a Palestinian dialogue that was "Pro Palestinian". And yes, "Anti Semetic", regarding the treatment of Palestinians in Gaza by Israel. It was held in September.

Now, knee jerk reaction by Jon Huntsman to snap hid checkbook shut, because he didn't like it. Fine. He can do what he wants with his money.

But, this is the United States, where people are free to say what they want. Poor timing, admittedly, but are we going to quash all dissenting viewpoints now? I hope not. I am definitely not antisemitic nor pro Palestinian. But, I embrace the fact that in the United States, we can hear information from both sides.

@mickey2942, the view of an immigrant.

We are living in a huge country with very different cultures and views, yet when it comes to serious moments in history, we have to support the stance of our country. Everyone who was let in here, be it Jews, Palestinians, Russians, like me, Ukrainians - we live here, we enjoy the lifestyle that is the result of this country's foreign policy, and it is OK to have dissenting opinions, as long as it doesn't reach the level of threatening. It would be great if our TV rose to the occasion and invited specialists to discuss both viewpoints. (Our TV is so polarized that I stopped following it, maybe it could be a good moment to revive it.)

Huge demonstrations at the time when Hamas leaders threaten to kill Jews and Christians are counterproductive.

Educating people might help.

I think discussions are needed, but also, acts have to be swift. If Israel ends up facing was on two fronts, it will present a huge threat to the world.

On the other hand, it is sad that AL Jazeera can invite good specialists, and our mainstream TV stations substitute facts with emotions. As usual.

 

[Cedars]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/business/upenn-antisemitism-israel-huntsman/index.html

Prior to Hamas attacks, UPenn had a Palestinian dialogue that was "Pro Palestinian". And yes, "Anti Semetic", regarding the treatment of Palestinians in Gaza by Israel. It was held in September.

Now, knee jerk reaction by Jon Huntsman to snap hid checkbook shut, because he didn't like it. Fine. He can do what he wants with his money.

But, this is the United States, where people are free to say what they want. Poor timing, admittedly, but are we going to quash all dissenting viewpoints now? I hope not. I am definitely not antisemitic nor pro Palestinian. But, I embrace the fact that in the United States, we can hear information from both sides.

Yes, but there are lots of venues for this outside the universities.

I think a university, in the past, would know better than be the host for a general, unregulated venting of personal opinions. If such a controversial topic were to be addressed, in the past a university would invite highly respected and knowledgeable scholars who knew how to debate based on ideas, not emotions.

JMO

 

[Cedars]

@mickey2942, the view of an immigrant.

We are living in a huge country with very different cultures and views, yet when it comes to serious moments in history, we have to support the stance of our country. Everyone who was let here, be it Jews, Palestinians, Russians, like me, Ukrainians - we live here, we enjoy the lifestyle that is the result of this country's foreign policy, and it is OK to have dissenting opinions, as long as it doesn't reach the level of threatening. It would be great if our TV rose to the occasion and invited specialists to discuss both viewpoints. (Our TV is so polarized that I stopped following it, maybe it could be a good moment to revive it.)

Huge demonstrations at the time when Hamas leaders threaten to kill Jews and Christians are counterproductive.

Educating people might help.

I think discussions are needed, but also, acts have to be swift. If Israel ends up facing was on two fronts, it will present a huge threat to the world.

On the other hand, it is sad that AL Jazeera can invite good specialists, and our mainstream TV stations substitute facts with emotions. As usual.

Agree, posted simultaneously!

 

[Momoffourboys]

In first, Hamas terror group releases clip of hostage it captured in Oct. 7 onslaught​

The Hamas terror group has released the first clip showing one of the 200 or more Israeli hostages being held by terror groups in the Gaza Strip.

The short video shows a young woman being treated after she was wounded in her arm, and later speaking to the camera.

The woman states her name and where she was when she was captured on October 7 by Palestinian terrorists and asks to be able to return home

In first, Hamas terror group releases clip of hostage it captured in Oct. 7 onslaught

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www.timesofisrael.com

 

[JennieM]

24m ago
Hamas is demanding the release of “6,000 male and female prisoners in Israeli prisons” in exchange for hostages it took during its incursions, according to Reuters.

The news agency is quoting Khaled Meshaal, head of Hamas’s diaspora office, as making the demand. The group’s captives, he said, include “high-ranking officers” of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF).

Turkish foreign minister Hakan Fidan.Images)Photograph: Ahmed Hasan/AFP/Getty Images
It comes as Turkey says it’s discussing with Hamas the release of civilian prisoners held by Hamas. Hakan Fidan, the Turkish foreign minister, spoke with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh on Monday, the country’s foreign ministry said.

Reuters said Meshaal expressed gratitude to Hezbollahfor “taking steps”, presumably referring to strikes at Israel’s north from the group in Lebanon, but “needs to do more”.

And he also warned displacement of Palestinians in Gaza “will harm Egypt, Jordan and Arab national security interests”.

Iran warns of ‘pre-emptive action’ as Gaza ground assault looms – as it happened

This blog is low closed. The latest live updates are here.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Momoffourboys]

“Get me out of here, fast”

https://x.com/N12News/status/1714004781432217856?s=20

 

[JennieM]

9m ago
More information about the prisoners held by Hamas came in a recorded video released by the group’s armed wing on Monday, Reuters reports.

A spokesperson said there were “about 200-250” Israeli captives in Gaza, contradicting an earlier statement from the Israeli military that said it had confirmed 199 hostages.

They were seized on Saturday 7 October when Hamas fighters broke through the Israeli border fence in southern Israel, and attacked a music festival and multiple settlements killing more than 1,300 Israelis.

The unnamed Hamas spokesperson in the video also said the group was holding captives of other nationalities, whom he said were “guests”, and would be released “when circumstances allow us”.

They were, he added, being held “in accordance with ethics and humanitarian law”.

Iran warns of ‘pre-emptive action’ as Gaza ground assault looms – as it happened

This blog is low closed. The latest live updates are here.

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

2m ago
Canada’s prime minister Justin Trudeau said Monday afternoon he was deeply concerned by the “dire and worsening crisis” in Gaza, and wants a humanitarian corridor to be opened into the enclave.

“It is imperative that this happen,” Trudeau told the country’s lower parliamentary chamber, the House of Commons, according to Reuters.

He said nothing could justify Hamas’s “acts of terror” and that the group “does not represent the Palestinian people, nor their legitimate aspirations”.

Iran warns of ‘pre-emptive action’ as Gaza ground assault looms – as it happened

This blog is low closed. The latest live updates are here.

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

55m ago
UNRWA, the UN’s agency supporting Palestinian refugees, said reports circulating on social media that its supplies had been stolen from its warehouses on the Gaza Strip are false.

“No looting has taken place in any of its warehouses in the Gaza Strip,” it posted to X.

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