Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #4

[acutename]

I agree. I don't think that's accurate. MOO

( "Israel has bombed the crossing several times in order to prevent the entry of humanitarian aid from reaching Gazans in order to further squeeze the enclave’s Hamas rulers following their October 7 onslaught.")

there are pictures of people waiting at the Rafah crossing.... and bomb pictures... (unless we later find that the pictures are from three yrs ago).

Rafah crossing: Thousands of people arrive at Gaza-Egypt border

Palestinians with dual citizenship have headed to the border ahead of Israel's expected ground operation.

www.bbc.com

and NPR says that there have been tunnels around the crossing as well

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/16/1206107279/the-ragged-border-crossing-that-could-become-gazas-lifeline

 

[Momoffourboys]

The Palestinian Authority will pay families of dead Hamas terrorists nearly a combined total of around $2.8 million according to a report that was made by the Palestinian Media Watch (PMW).

https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1714123338258272488?s=20

 

[sds71]

PRESS RELEASE | Oct. 16, 2023

CENTCOM Commander Arrives in Israel​

USCENTCOM
Oct. 16, 2023
Release Number 202316-01
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tel Aviv, Israel –Gen. Michael “Erik” Kurilla, Commander, U.S. Central Command, has arrived in Tel Aviv, Israel to conduct high level meetings with Israel’s military leadership, including Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi, Chief of Defense, to gain a clear understanding of Israel’s defense requirements, outline U.S. support efforts to avoid expansion of the conflict, and reiterate the Department of Defense’s ironclad support for Israel.
“I’m here to ensure that Israel has what it needs to defend itself, and am particularly focused on avoiding other parties expanding the conflict,” General Kurilla said.

CENTCOM Commander Arrives in Israel

Tel Aviv, Israel –Gen. Michael “Erik” Kurilla, Commander, U.S. Central Command, has arrived in Tel Aviv, Israel to conduct high level meetings with Israel’s military leadership, including Lt. Gen.

www.centcom.mil

 

[Momoffourboys]

there are pictures of people waiting at the Rafah crossing.... and bomb pictures... (unless we later find that the pictures are from three yrs ago).

Rafah crossing: Thousands of people arrive at Gaza-Egypt border

Palestinians with dual citizenship have headed to the border ahead of Israel's expected ground operation.

www.bbc.com

and NPR says that there have been tunnels around the crossing as well

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/16/1206107279/the-ragged-border-crossing-that-could-become-gazas-lifeline

This says they hit the tunnels in the area.

The Rafah crossing in the Gaza Strip came under Israeli fire on Tuesday morning, blocking the only land exit from the coastal enclave to Egypt, according to The Washington Post.

Hamas also said Tuesday that Israeli airstrikes had made the Rafah crossing into Egypt — the only way out with the Israeli side sealed — impassable. The Israel Defense Forces said Tuesday afternoon that it hit an underground tunnel for smuggling weapons and equipment in the Rafah area, on the Egypt-Gaza border, but did not confirm or deny hitting the crossing itself.

The bombing occurred a few minutes after a warning was conveyed by the Israeli military to Gazan officials operating it.

more:Israel said to bomb Rafah crossing to Egypt after telling Gazans to flee through it

BBM Disregard anything Hamas said.

 

[margarita25]

This says they hit the tunnels in the area.

The Rafah crossing in the Gaza Strip came under Israeli fire on Tuesday morning, blocking the only land exit from the coastal enclave to Egypt, according to The Washington Post.

Hamas also said Tuesday that Israeli airstrikes had made the Rafah crossing into Egypt — the only way out with the Israeli side sealed — impassable. The Israel Defense Forces said Tuesday afternoon that it hit an underground tunnel for smuggling weapons and equipment in the Rafah area, on the Egypt-Gaza border, but did not confirm or deny hitting the crossing itself.

The bombing occurred a few minutes after a warning was conveyed by the Israeli military to Gazan officials operating it.

more:Israel said to bomb Rafah crossing to Egypt after telling Gazans to flee through it

BBM Disregard anything Hamas said.

Did militant leaders escape into Egypt via the tunnels? Any chance they took the hostages there? This was why I was asking initially about the tunnels connecting to other countries. Sorry if discussed, having trouble focusing on the strategic elements here, all I can hear is Chopin’s Nocturne in C# Minor in my head all day and night since “the video,” and think about these hostages, especially the children…how is their health, are they eating, how scared they must be…

That picture of Shiri, her face…. And the baby’s face with the terrorists….

 

[PommyMommy]

Israel-Hamas war live updates: Biden will go to Israel; Hamas addresses kidnapping of foreign nationals (nbcnews.com)
33m ago / 8:35 PM PDT

How the U.S.- Israel agreement on aid came together​

In every stop he made after his trip to Israel last week, Arab leaders told Secretary of State Antony Blinken that the U.S. must do something to solve the humanitarian situation in Gaza, a senior State Department official said.

When Blinken called Biden after his meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi to relay their message, Biden asked his top diplomat to go back to Tel Aviv to work out a plan, the official said.

What followed was nine hours of negotiations between the U.S. and Israel, the senior State Department official said, as the two sides hashed out the details of the plan.

Today Blinken announced that the U.S. and Israel “have agreed to develop a plan that will enable humanitarian aid from donor nations and multilateral organizations to reach civilians in Gaza — and them alone.” The plan could also include creating areas to keep civilians safe, he said.

During the discussions about the agreement, Blinken and the U.S. delegation set up next to the Israel prime minister’s Cabinet meeting. Every so often Netanyahu would go over, and the two sides would exchange papers, the senior State Department official said.

Blinken also reiterated to Israel’s president today that every Arab leader he met with in the region expressed the importance of dealing with the humanitarian situation in Gaza, the official said.

 

[margarita25]

 

[PommyMommy]

Israel-Hamas war live: Biden to visit Tel Aviv on Wednesday; 100,000 people remain in Gaza City, says IDF (theguardian.com)
2m ago05.11 BST

Hundreds of Israeli bodies still unidentified​

More than a week on from Hamas’s massacres in Israel, over 350 bodies of suspected civilian victims still have not been identified, according to Dr Chen Kugel, the director of Israel’s national institute of forensic medicine. Some bodies were burned beyond recognition and others had decayed badly before they were found.

Thousands of people are desperately waiting for news of loved ones and for remains they can bury, a particularly urgent concern as Jewish tradition requires a rapid burial, and formal mourning can begin only after the funeral.

Kugel, speaking nine days after the attacks, fears that the rate at which they can give families answers may slow as they reach the most damaged bodies, and some victims may never be identified.

“We did a lot of work in the past nine days … Now we are at a peak, the rate of identification will decline as we are reaching the hard cases,” he said. “I’m afraid there will be some [victims] that we will never find, and we will never be able to identify … People have to be prepared for this.”

The scale of the work is overwhelming, with dozens of bodies – or in some cases collections of human remains so damaged they are barely recognisable – arriving at the forensic institute on Monday in a refrigerated truck.

 

[margarita25]

The Military Channel:

 

[Charlot123]

I thought maybe taking the small ones as hostages would make it easier to control, move and hide hostages kept for "trade". Now I think that the level of care, feeding, toileting and listening to the crying would not be tolerated.

There is a lot of documentation on these identified missing kidnapped children and the mother of the redheads, a baby and an older brother in each set. I wish the world would scream "Hamas, where are the babies?"


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Sadly, I don't believe that anyone planned to trade the hostages. With 1400 Israeli killed, the Palestinians should understand that no one ever will forgive them. Maybe one day, someone will be able to trace the money. A lot must have been paid to Hamas leaders, but by whom, and via what intermediaries, remains the question.

 

[PommyMommy]

Live updates: Israel-Hamas war rages as crisis in Gaza deepens (cnn.com)
25 min ago

UN Security Council rejects Russian resolution on humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza that fails to condemn Hamas​

The United Nations Security Council on Monday rejected a Russian resolution calling for a humanitarian ceasefire of the war between Israel and Hamas because the draft did not get the required minimum number of votes to be passed.

The resolution received five votes in favor, four against and six abstentions, with the United States, the United Kingdom and France voting against due the resolution's failure to condemn Hamas for its attacks on Israel. The draft would have needed nine votes in favor to proceed.

"By failing to condemn Hamas, Russia is giving cover to a terrorist group that brutalizes innocent civilians. It is outrageous, it is hypocritical, and it is indefensible," US Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield said in justification to the US' vote. She previously compared the attacks executed by Hamas to the "most heinous atrocities committed by ISIS."

"We cannot support a resolution which fails to condemn Hamas’ terror attacks," Ambassador Barbara Woodward, the UK's Permanent Representative to the UN, said in her explanation of vote.

France's Permanent Representative to the UN Nicolas de Rivière said "several essential elements were lacking" from Russia's draft resolution and instead encouraged the council to "unite around the draft proposed by the Brazilian presidency, and agree to condemn this terrorist attack, ensure humanitarian assistance and protect the civilian population of Gaza."

Russia’s Ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzya claimed the resolution failed to get adopted because of the western bloc's selfish intentions.

"The UN Security Council has once again become hostage to the aspirations of Western countries by not adopting the Russian Federation's draft resolution on the Middle East," Nebenzya stated, according to Russian state media RIA Novosti.

Moscow has previously criticized Israel’s actions and called for a ceasefire.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Sadly, I don't believe that anyone planned to trade the hostages. With 1400 Israeli killed, the Palestinians should understand that no one ever will forgive them. Maybe one day, someone will be able to trace the money. A lot must have been paid to Hamas leaders, but by whom, and via what intermediaries, remains the question.

This gives a good idea of the money given for Gazans that Hamas uses for terror instead of its intended use, to support and help the Gazans. Its from 2021 so numbers may have changed.

A look at the billions of dollars in foreign aid to Gaza

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — The international community has sent billions of dollars in aid to the Gaza Strip in recent years to provide relief to the more than 2 million Palestinians living in the isolated, Hamas-ruled territory.

apnews.com

 

[MyBelle]

To be frank, and I hope I am so very wrong, I do not believe many of these hostages are still living. It’s all lies.

Eta: i do not trust Hamas in any sort of hostage exchange. Or as far as I could throw ‘em.

I so hope you are very wrong, too. I fear the hostage said what she was told to say, and she is no longer alive. It sickens me.

When John McCain was taken hostage as a POW during Vietnam, he spoke to a camera...but he refused the offer to be released before the other POWs. I was shocked he was allowed to survive. The Hamas are far more barbaric terrorists than the Vietnamese, imo.

JMO

Former POWs Remember John McCain in Vietnam

McCain found his sense of purpose at the 'Hanoi Hilton,' a fellow prisoner, Orson Swindle, says

www.voanews.com

 

[PommyMommy]

Overnight, IDF fighter jets struck:
X A Hamas military headquarters and neutralized a Hamas military operative.

X A bank utilized to fund Hamas terrorist activity in Gaza.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714137372860789226

 

[margarita25]

I thought maybe taking the small ones as hostages would make it easier to control, move and hide hostages kept for "trade". Now I think that the level of care, feeding, toileting and listening to the crying would not be tolerated.

There is a lot of documentation on these identified missing kidnapped children and the mother of the redheads, a baby and an older brother in each set. I wish the world would scream "Hamas, where are the babies?"


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These photos.

The one on the left, the vulnerability and innocence of these children. How the boy seems to have his right arm on this man, and the baby…

What are they thinking, who is this man, what did they witness? What about their parents? What happened to these children after they were taken? Are they being protected in any way as a valuable hostage, or are they just thrown in a dark tunnel or room, minimal food, hard floor, tied up…or were they taken, then tortured and killed like other children (example “two piles of ten, tied up and burned” in Be'eri). Where are these children (and other hostages), are they even alive, and if so what is their condition…will these hostages ever be seen again…

There’s a man that was held by Hamas and released after five years after the trading of 1000 Palestinian prisoners, iirc. I saw the video of his release and he was soooo thin, like bones, but of course looked so happy to finally be free.

Noting to learn more about him. And his experience as a Hamas hostage, al though experts say this is an escalated Hamas, “something has changed,” etc. This man has likely been talked about here previously, but I joined these threads late and am unable to read every post.

I’ll find the video on him I saw and add as eta.

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This “man,” your eyes are there for the world and beyond to see. Hiding behind that mask… Your evil…bares witness…may you meet…

 

[PommyMommy]

10min ago

IDF says it hit over 200 Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad targets in overnight Gaza strikes​

The Israel Defense Forces says it struck more than 200 Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad targets in the Gaza Strip overnight.

The sites, according to the IDF, include a headquarters where a number of Hamas members were killed and a bank used by Hamas.

The IDF adds that Navy vessels have also carried out strikes, including against Hamas command centers and weapons storage sites in Gaza City.

9min ago

CENTCOM chief arrives in Israel to meet with Halevi, Gallant and other officials​

The head of the United States Central Command has landed in Israel to meet with Israeli defense officials amid the ongoing war against Palestinian terrorists in the Gaza Strip and as tensions heat up on the Lebanon border.

In a statement, CENTCOM says Gen. Michael Kurilla will meet with IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and others, to “gain a clear understanding of Israel’s defense requirements, outline US support efforts to avoid expansion of the conflict, and reiterate the Department of Defense’s ironclad support for Israel.”

“I’m here to ensure that Israel has what it needs to defend itself, and am particularly focused on avoiding other parties expanding the conflict,” Kurilla says in remarks provided by CENTCOM.

 

[margarita25]

omg just seeing this!

Eta omg…this reminds me of ISIS. When they would release those awful beheading videos, but released well after they were actually taken, trying to manipulate the whole timeline.

I do not think that video is recent!!!!! Look how fresh her hair and makeup are, I mean none of us would look like that after being held captive all this time.

I bet this was taken right after her abduction!!!!!!

I am calling Bull on this video!!!!


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Eta: @PommyMommy , @JennieM , @Momoffourboys , anyone, have you guys posted about this today already? Can you please direct me there, provide an update, I don’t want to rehash and would love to find out ASAP everything on this video and hostage if you guys have already talked about it, meanwhile will try to catch up and find additional reference.

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Eta2:

HOSTAGE VIDEO!!

 

[cuffem]

DBM

 

[Kaley Smith]

She has an interesting perspective with the BBC, but it sounds more like an opinion piece than journalism, IMO.

I actually know this woman somewhat, and she's from my province. She lived in Gaza at one time, and her husband, now deceased, was an expert on Palestine and the Middle East in general. Her knowledge of the situation is vast. Remembering Graham Usher

 

[cuffem]

Was today's Brussels attack posted here? I am just now finding out about it.