Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #5

[JennieM]

I wonder if the intended audience for that state department tweet is not domestic and not Israel?
( It's a few posts back on this thread. Could it be a smart move for the ME audience?)

Good point!

 

[cottonweaver]

he's not giving up

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714751173159202996

 

[Momoffourboys]

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@YosephHaddad is an Arab-Israeli activist, working to bridge the gap between Arabs and Jews. He tells @JamesAALongman
: "It's not a war between Arabs and Jews, not a war between Israel and Palestine. It's a war between Israel and Hamas."

https://x.com/ABCNewsLive/status/1714735915585679632?s=20

 

[Cedars]

Do people just want to be oppositional? Is this why I see so many people against Israel? I know we’re watching the same stuff? We’ve heard the same stories. We all know who started this on October 7, 2023. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Israel is being hated so fiercely right now. Their response is BECAUSE war came to them from hateful, soulless terrorists who are not for anyone but themselves and to feed their evil. Where’s the worldwide hate for Hamas? For the disgusting, cowardly, evil things they’ve done to innocent people. It’s just not adding up for me except that people just want to be oppositional or controversial.

I'm not sure which people you're talking about. I'm not sure what you're referring to, as being hate.

It would help if you were more specific.

Personally, I'm not motivated by hate. I think hatred is like gripping a handful of hot coals that you'd like to throw at others, meanwhile you are burning your own hand.

Hamas cares not one whit whether I hate them or not. They will not cower or feel pain because I hate them. They won't do anything differently.

Also, the world wasn't created on Oct. 7. There is a past, especially in this region, and even more importantly, there is a future.

JMO

 

[justtrish]

Do people just want to be oppositional? Is this why I see so many people against Israel? I know we’re watching the same stuff? We’ve heard the same stories. We all know who started this on October 7, 2023. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Israel is being hated so fiercely right now. Their response is BECAUSE war came to them from hateful, soulless terrorists who are not for anyone but themselves and to feed their evil. Where’s the worldwide hate for Hamas? For the disgusting, cowardly, evil things they’ve done to innocent people. It’s just not adding up for me except that people just want to be oppositional or controversial.

It is something I also cannot understand.

I understand having the position that innocent civilian lives need to be protected as much as humanly possible.

I understand being sad that innocent lives are being lost in this.

I even understand those that support some type of resistance because of the living conditions that Palestinians have been living in.. (for whatever reason)

I do NOT understand supporting the types of attacks that happened Oct 7th. They didn't come in and immediately head to military bases, they didn't plant IEDs at military bases, they didn't target servicemembers or government buildings, or any other "understandable" target in a resistance type attack.

They chose to walk into homes where moms, dads, children, babies, grandparents, were having breakfast and massacre them, they went to a music festival where everyone there was an innocent person just participating in a festival.. WHY? HOW does anyone support THAT? Raping and torturing and beheading, and all of it.. it cannot be accepted as the price of war.. it is NOT war.. that is inhumane and barbaric and NOT a result of "war"

 

[JennieM]

2 min ago

Biden says he was "very blunt" during meeting with Israeli leaders​

From CNN's Nikki Carvajal

US President Joe Biden said he was “very blunt” with Israeli leaders when he met with them on Wednesday – and that he laid out the expectation that they would be “held accountable” if they didn’t allow for more assistance for people displaced by the conflict.

“As they probably told you I was very blunt with the Israelis,” Biden told reporters on Air Force One. “Israel has been badly victimized but the truth is if they have an opportunity to relieve the suffering of people who have nowhere to go, that’s what they should do.”
“If they don’t,” he continued, “they’ll be held accountable in ways that may be unfair.”

Biden said his overall message to everyone was, “if you have the opportunity to alleviate pain you should do it, period.”

“And if you don’t,” he said, “you’re going to lose credibility worldwide.”
Asked specifically what he was “blunt” with the Israelis about, Biden responded, “Everything."

“I was very blunt on the need to support getting humanitarian aid to Gaza, and to do it quickly,” he said.

Live updates: Israel-Hamas war rages as President Biden visits Tel Aviv

During a high-stakes trip to Israel, US President Joe Biden urged the region to seek peace and not to be "consumed" by rage as violence continues in the aftermath of Hamas' attacks and Israel's subsequent response. Follow here for live updates.

edition.cnn.com

 

[cottonweaver]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714703310014341523

unfortunately I can't find any polling for other nations at the moment. ( Canada, Aus, rest of Europe) will try again another time

 

[Sincerely]

I'm not sure which people you're talking about. I'm not sure what you're referring to, as being hate.

It would help if you were more specific.

Personally, I'm not motivated by hate. I think hatred is like gripping a handful of hot coals that you'd like to throw at others, meanwhile you are burning your own hand.

Hamas cares not one whit whether I hate them or not. They will not cower or feel pain because I hate them. They won't do anything differently.

Also, the world wasn't created on Oct. 7. There is a past, especially in this region, and even more importantly, there is a future.

JMO

Oh you’re right. I’m so sorry. I ranted after scrolling social media. Not here. I haven’t seen any hate here.

 

[JennieM]

We need immediate, safe humanitarian access across all of Gaza, UN relief chief tells Security Council​

18 Oct 2023

[…]

We have humanitarian supplies; we have medical teams. UNRWA has a staff of 14,000 in Gaza still bravely working under these conditions. The other agencies do – the Red Crescents, of course, have many, many, many volunteers – and they are all ready to assist the people most in need.

I'm very grateful to many Member States for providing, very quickly, emergency funding available for the immediate relief in Gaza, including from the Central Emergency Response Fund that my Office runs, and the occupied [Palestinian] territory Humanitarian Fund. Thank you. Thank you to all of you who stepped up so quickly.

What we don't have, however, we have a lot, but what we don't have, and it's the killer, and what we desperately need, is immediate, safe humanitarian access across all of Gaza. And that is the burden of our discussions with key parties.

We urgently need a mechanism agreed by all relevant parties to allow for the regular provision of emergency needs throughout Gaza to get the level of distribution of assistance up to what it was before these terrible weeks – of 100 trucks a day providing assistance throughout Gaza to people in need. We need to get back to that level of ambition.

[…]

United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory | We need immediate, safe humanitarian access across all of Gaza, UN relief chief tells Security Council

Thank you very much for inviting me, and what I was saying was what an honour it is for me to be on the same podium as [UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process] Tor [Wennesland].

www.ochaopt.org

 

[JennieM]

10 min ago

Report: Palestinian Authority leadership holds meeting "to confront ongoing Israeli aggression"​

From CNN's Mariya Knight and Kareem Khadder

Palestinian Authority leadership held an urgent meeting Wednesday “to confront ongoing Israeli aggression” following the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital blast in Gaza City, official Palestinian news agency WAFA reported.

The meeting was headed by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, the news agency reported.

During the meeting, the leadership emphasized the need to prevent the displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip, which they considered a "red line" that cannot be crossed.

The leadership also underscored “the legitimate right of the Palestinian people to defend themselves” while taking into account "international legitimacy and international law," according to WAFA.

The news agency reported that the Palestinian leadership announced their intention to follow up on legal cases alleging "war crimes" that have been filed in international courts.

The leadership also resolved to work with “all concerned parties” to provide “medical relief supplies, food, water, and electricity” to the devastated areas of Gaza.
The Palestinian leadership decided to remain in permanent session in order to follow up on developments in the situation around Gaza, WAFA reported.

The blast at the hospital fueled fury across the region over the bloodshed in Gaza, a coastal enclave home to 2.2 million people that has been under siege by Israel for more than a week in retaliation for a large-scale terror attack carried out by Hamas in Israel on October 7.

Live updates: Israel-Hamas war rages as President Biden visits Tel Aviv

During a high-stakes trip to Israel, US President Joe Biden urged the region to seek peace and not to be "consumed" by rage as violence continues in the aftermath of Hamas' attacks and Israel's subsequent response. Follow here for live updates.

edition.cnn.com

 

[JennieM]

2h ago

Israel’s foreign minister, Eli Cohen, hinted that Israel may annex part of Gaza in a radio interview on Wednesday.

Cohen was reported by the Times of Israel as saying:

Egypt’s president agrees to open the Rafah crossing – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

Why is this not being discussed more in the news? Seems like a massive development, doesn’t it?

 

[SouthAussie]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714703310014341523

unfortunately I can't find any polling for other nations at the moment. ( Canada, Aus, rest of Europe) will try again another time

The Aussie public been busy polling (voting) in a referendum on a potential change to our Constitution. (It didn't pass.)

But Australia has for the last 20+ years listed Hamas as an entirety as a terrorist organisation, and participates in sanctions against Hamas. Link


Foreign Minister Penny Wong a few days ago ...

Australia stands with Israel, and always will.
Just as we always remember the thousands of years of persecution and atrocities perpetrated against the Jewish people…
The six million European Jews killed in the Holocaust…

We must maintain mutual respect for each other here at home – we must preserve our uniquely harmonious multicultural character.
It is why people come to this country.
It is who we are as a country.

https://www.foreignminister.gov.au/minister/penny-wong/speech/speech-senate-hamas-attacks-israel-senate-motion-parliament-house#:~:text=Australia%20stands%20with%20Israel%2C%20and,establish%20the%20state%20of%20Israel.

 

[MyBelle]

Biden visit boosts Israel, but also reinforces Arab anger​

Barbara Plett Usher
US State Department correspondent

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Reuters

Even more than Joe Biden’s emotional words of support, the photo of him hugging the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has placed him solidly in Israel’s corner at the most explosive moment in its war with Hamas.

No matter who fired the rocket which killed hundreds of people at the Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza, this image will reinforce Arab anger not only towards Israel, but the United States.

Even though the US president has negotiated access for desperately needed aid into the besieged enclave, his visit will tie him to the results of Israel’s military campaign there.

Protesters in Arab capitals have already accused Washington of giving Israel a green light.

Some are chanting “Death to America,” including in Bahrain, a close American ally and one of only two Arab states to explicitly condemn the Hamas attack.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67141589

BBM. What an absurd and incendiary comment for a reporter to make! She should be fired.

Who fired the rocket that hit a hospital DOES MATTER which is why Israel has gathered proof.

A greeting between two world leaders--a Christian and a Jew--also DOES MATTER because it is a sincere gesture of mutual respect for religious diversity.

Any Arab who gets angry about it is likely a member of the Hamas regime who thinks it is a'okay to slaughter innocent human beings.

JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714760238421713250

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714751035061788988

 

[Momoffourboys]

Why is this not being discussed more in the news? Seems like a massive development, doesn’t it?

Idk Every single Israeli official has said the complete opposite.

ETA: Checked his X (he is very active) but no mention of a possible annex.

 

[margarita25]

 

[Arkay]

Also, the world wasn't created on Oct. 7. There is a past, especially in this region, and even more importantly, there is a future.

The world wasn’t created on October 7th, true.

But IMO the future will be different than what would have been presumed on October 6th.

The multitudes of people worldwide who are supporting this attack on Israel gives insight into the future. Right now there are protests and some violence, especially around U.S. and Israeli embassies

There have been several murders since the attack outside of Israel, on random people and one child who had nothing to do with this.

I am certain that plans are being made by Islamist extremists even as I type. Long-range plans for revenge. Plans that will come to fruition without us knowing where or when.

People like me, a lifelong New Yorker, know that we are a target city.

We all know what countries were the “Axis of Evil” in World War Two.

IMO the Axis of Evil is now Iran, Russia, North Korea and likely China. Iran is the financial underwriter of what we see happening.

Putin is buddied up with Iran. Obviously Putin is another despot who started a war in which Ukrainian civilians have been slaughtered at home, and he’s also one who will patiently wait for payback for anyone who objects to his leadership.

If Iran becomes a nuclear power, I fear for the future of all of us.

JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

The Aussie public been busy polling (voting) in a referendum on a potential change to our Constitution. (It didn't pass.)

But Australia has for the last 20+ years listed Hamas as an entirety as a terrorist organisation, and participates in sanctions against Hamas. Link


Foreign Minister Penny Wong a few days ago ...

Australia stands with Israel, and always will.
Just as we always remember the thousands of years of persecution and atrocities perpetrated against the Jewish people…
The six million European Jews killed in the Holocaust…

We must maintain mutual respect for each other here at home – we must preserve our uniquely harmonious multicultural character.
It is why people come to this country.
It is who we are as a country.

https://www.foreignminister.gov.au/minister/penny-wong/speech/speech-senate-hamas-attacks-israel-senate-motion-parliament-house#:~:text=Australia%20stands%20with%20Israel%2C%20and,establish%20the%20state%20of%20Israel.

thanks, you've prompted me to do a quick search

re recent opinion polls on the Israel-Hamas conflict ( there must be more than this one but regardless...)

Poll by Essential 16th Oct:

A majority of respondents want the Australian government to remain in the sidelines of the conflict (63%).

More voters think Australia should render any assistance to Israel (23%) than to Palestine (13%) – but less than half of Guardian Essential respondents (42%) think the Israeli response to the provocation from Hamas has been proportionate.

Voters are also concerned about the escalating war in Israel which was triggered by a shocking massacre of civilians by Hamas militants just over a week ago.
A majority of respondents (67%) are worried the conflict will spiral in an unstable region, and 64% say they are concerned the hostilities will threaten social cohesion by triggering unrest in diaspora communities in Australia.

Majority of voters want Labor to support Indigenous Australians but are split on how: Guardian Essential poll

Only a third of respondents support a treaty in the wake of Saturday’s failed referendum

www.theguardian.com

very interesting, older background piece but long! Australia’s Evolving Debate on Israel and Palestine | New Perspectives on Asia | CSIS

 

[Cedars]

It is something I also cannot understand.

I understand having the position that innocent civilian lives need to be protected as much as humanly possible.

I understand being sad that innocent lives are being lost in this.

I even understand those that support some type of resistance because of the living conditions that Palestinians have been living in.. (for whatever reason)

I do NOT understand supporting the types of attacks that happened Oct 7th. They didn't come in and immediately head to military bases, they didn't plant IEDs at military bases, they didn't target servicemembers or government buildings, or any other "understandable" target in a resistance type attack.

They chose to walk into homes where moms, dads, children, babies, grandparents, were having breakfast and massacre them, they went to a music festival where everyone there was an innocent person just participating in a festival.. WHY? HOW does anyone support THAT? Raping and torturing and beheading, and all of it.. it cannot be accepted as the price of war.. it is NOT war.. that is inhumane and barbaric and NOT a result of "war"

Who are you talking about, that supports these attacks? Such a generalized statement about 'people'. Which people?

If you're talking about Palestinians, IMO it's very unlikely they have heard or read any details of the attacks. Pretty sure they don't watch western media. They probably only heard that people in Israel were killed. And since Israel is their enemy, they don't mind.

This is just human nature during war.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

Why is this not being discussed more in the news? Seems like a massive development, doesn’t it?

Ummm....
It is like "pouring gasoline into the fire" IMO

Surely it must be Fake News???