Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #5

[dotr]

Oct 18, 2023 #CNN #News
CNN has gathered chilling new insights and details on the Hamas assault inside Israel, including disturbing video taken by the attackers themselves as they rampaged through Israeli homes. CNN's Matthew Chance reports

''Oct 18, 2023
Ambassador of the State of Palestine to Australia Izzat Abdulhadi engaged in a heated discussion with Sky News Australia host Peter Stefanovic over who is responsible for the deadly strike on a crowded hospital in Gaza.''

 

[Cedars]

So would not the PA power-player (those in 'charge') authorities - who don't seem to be living in the Gaza themselves, safely ensconed in the West Bank and other Arab nations, speak up and act on behalf of their downtrodden innocent civilians in the Gaza?

It is far, far too late for that. You would have to go back to 2006/2007 when Hamas took control. There have been many international attempts to create a resolution to the division between the PNA who governs parts of the West Bank, and Hamas who govern the Gaza Strip, but it has all stalled.

"the Palestinian Authority has been split into two polities, each seeing itself as the true representative of the Palestinian people – the Fatah-ruled Palestinian National Authority and the Hamas Government in Gaza."

Fatah–Hamas conflict - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kind of like Northern Ireland before 1998, but much, much worse.

JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

The explosion at the Al-Hali Hospital in Gaza is a human tragedy in which several dozen people were apparently killed.

This is also a Palestinian tragedy, where we see again the Palestinian terrorist organizations murdering their own people, after they cynically use them as human shields.

And in addition to everything, there is also a central media angle to the event: dozens of international media outlets, including leading and important ones, abandoned basic journalistic ethics and published incorrect, misleading and false information originating from a campaign planned by the terrorist organization Hamas.

The terrorist organization Hamas does not have to use any means to promote its propaganda and its false messages. Hamas uses the international media to lie to world public opinion.

Where is the responsibility of those media outlets and reporters, who usually work to cross-reference sources in order to present the full journalistic story?

Any such irresponsible publication is a journalistic failure of whoever published it, when his/her only source of information is a terrorist organization that is worse than ISIS!

Beyond ethics, these false publications resulted in regional riots, violence and incitement to murder.

The media has a responsibility and obligation to integrity and truthful reporting. Yesterday, many of them failed in this mission.

Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) / X (twitter.com)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714736247279620600

 

[PommyMommy]

Mohammed Deif: the Mastermind Behind the October 7 Massacre With the blood of thousands on his hands, his name will live in infamy.
Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) / X (twitter.com)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714818422154891328

 

[JennieM]

3m ago

Here is more of what Biden said about the opening of the Rafah Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi has agreed to open the Rafah crossing into Gaza to allow a first batch of around 20 humanitarian aid trucks through, US President Joe Biden said Wednesday.

“He agreed to... let up to 20 trucks through to begin with,” Biden told reporters after calling Sisi from Air Force One while returning from a visit to Israel, where he was showing solidarity over the 7 October Hamas attacks.

The shipment would likely not cross until Friday, as the road at the crossing needed repairs, Biden said.

“They’re going to patch the road. They have to fill in potholes to get these trucks through. And that’s going to occur - they expect it’ll take about eight hours tomorrow,” he said.

The first 20 trucks will be a test of a system for distributing aid without allowing the Palestinian militant organization Hamas, which controls Gaza, to benefit, the US president said.

The United Nations is set to distribute aid on the Gaza side of the border.

“If Hamas confiscates it or doesn’t let it get through or just confiscates it, then it’s going to end, because we’re not going to be sending any humanitarian aid to Hamas if they’re going to be confiscating it. That’s the commitment that I’ve made,” Biden said.

He added that the 20 trucks represented a “first tranche,” but “150 or something” trucks are waiting in total. Whether the rest are allowed to cross will depend on “how it goes.”

He said he had instead talked to Sisi from Air Force One for about half an hour.

“The bottom line is that he (Sisi) deserves some real credit because he was very accommodating,” the US president added.

Biden characterised his trip to the war zone as a success and said that while expressing US support for ally Israel, he was “very blunt with the Israelis” on the need to allow aid into Gaza.

“If you have an opportunity to alleviate the pain, you should do it. Period. And if you don’t, you’re going to lose credibility worldwide. And I think everyone understands that,” he said.

Egypt’s president agrees to open the Rafah crossing – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

 

[dotr]

Gaza Hospital Attack: Israel presents evidence contradicting responsibility

The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) have released a report denying responsibility for the Gaza hospital explosion and alleging that the number of casualties has been exaggerated. The IDF claims that the explosion occurred after a rocket misfired from the Islamic Jihad, and Hamas launched a media...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Why U.S. intel says Israel did not attack Gaza hospital

U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency officer says Israel did not target the hospital and that imagery and signals intercepts shows a rocket was fired from Gaza.

www.newsweek.com

"We don't know how many people died, nor does Israel. Not yet," says a U.S. Air Force officer working on the subject. "But the intelligence, ours and Israel's, suggests a few dozen at most. I'm not saying this isn't a tragedy," the officer says, "but this is just another case of massive exaggeration and blatant lying on the part of Hamas. Palestinians are the responsible party, not Israel."

Officials and analysts who communicated with Newsweek say that they recognize that the narrative regarding the Hamas war has now fundamentally shifted, focusing more attention on Palestinian suffering and less on the surprise attack on Israel.''

 

[SkyBoomer]

Gaza Hospital Attack: Israel presents evidence contradicting responsibility

The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) have released a report denying responsibility for the Gaza hospital explosion and alleging that the number of casualties has been exaggerated. The IDF claims that the explosion occurred after a rocket misfired from the Islamic Jihad, and Hamas launched a media...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Why U.S. intel says Israel did not attack Gaza hospital

U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency officer says Israel did not target the hospital and that imagery and signals intercepts shows a rocket was fired from Gaza.

www.newsweek.com

"We don't know how many people died, nor does Israel. Not yet," says a U.S. Air Force officer working on the subject. "But the intelligence, ours and Israel's, suggests a few dozen at most. I'm not saying this isn't a tragedy," the officer says, "but this is just another case of massive exaggeration and blatant lying on the part of Hamas. Palestinians are the responsible party, not Israel."

Officials and analysts who communicated with Newsweek say that they recognize that the narrative regarding the Hamas war has now fundamentally shifted, focusing more attention on Palestinian suffering and less on the surprise attack on Israel.''

Well, I just read a post here on WS that NOBODY was harmed. Hmmm.

 

[Gypsy Road]

CNN showing hospital now on tv and it appears hardly damaged on their video, and they point this out. I have no idea what to believe. They are saying hospital was not hit, only the parking lot.

 

[Vern]

It is far, far too late for that. You would have to go back to 2006/2007 when Hamas took control. There have been many international attempts to create a resolution to the division between the PNA who governs parts of the West Bank, and Hamas who govern the Gaza Strip, but it has all stalled.

"the Palestinian Authority has been split into two polities, each seeing itself as the true representative of the Palestinian people – the Fatah-ruled Palestinian National Authority and the Hamas Government in Gaza."

Fatah–Hamas conflict - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kind of like Northern Ireland before 1998, but much, much worse.

JMO

I understand the history.

The claim is that the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, not Hamas, "is the only valid voice" that speaks for the Palestinian people. --- Abbas stated this just this past week.

Ther silence is deafening ... meanwhile no one is autority from any of their various factions is speaking up on behalf of innocent Gazans by condemning the actions of Hamas. Actons which Hamas claims to have committed 'in their names'.

What a distinct lack of courage of the whole lot of them to allow the projecting to the world that "Hamas speaks on behalf of Gazan civilians" because of their organisations cowardly silence.

I posted in the last thread on the day that Abbas and the PLO quietly modified and removed the statement about being the only valid voice for Gazan Palestinians and any reference to it from their site.

So, out to the wolves go the innocent then while the rest stay hush on Hamas. JMO.

 

[SkyBoomer]

CNN showing hospital now on tv and it is appears hardly damaged on their video, and they point this out. I have no idea what to believe. They are saying hospital was not hit, only the parking lot.

As I said, if no lives were lost, that is a wonderful thing

 

[dotr]

CNN showing hospital now on tv and it appears hardly damaged on their video, and they point this out. I have no idea what to believe. They are saying hospital was not hit, only the parking lot.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/middleeast/gaza-hospital-explosion-israel-wwk-explainer-intl/index.html

A view shows the aftermath of the deadly blast on Wednesday.
''Among the evidence is a blast analysis that suggests it was a ground explosion rather than an airstrike that hit the hospital, one of the sources said. There was no singular crater suggesting there was a bomb, but there was extensive fire damage and scattered debris that is consistent with an explosion starting from the ground level, according to the source.

That analysis is one data point that’s led intelligence officials to lean toward assessing that the attack on the hospital was a rocket launch gone wrong.

Still, the blast analysis is just one of the things being examined by the intelligence community, which has surged intelligence collection assets to the region.''

 

[Gypsy Road]

As I said, if no lives were lost, that is a wonderful thing

They didn’t mention how many lives were lost or how many injuries.

 

[Friday Fan]

Just to be clear, and RBBM: those reports from the UN say "were reported" (NOT 'confirmed') for the flash update ...

And we should all know by now that flash/breaking information and details are often wrong. Witness the very cause of this incdent being misereported in those 'flash' messages and news releases.

Just to be clear: "Hundreds of Casualties" may very well have been mis-translated and/or interpreted as "Hundreds of Fatalities" in those flashes; whether by accident or design - time will tell.

This is exactly what happens when news outlets, and others, take "unconfirmed" information and put it into the mass public domain as fact.

But Israel is not refuting this. Just that one official's tweet. And he isn't say, "Hundreds were not killed".

We see this on Websleuths all the time. Someone will say something (usually it's one sentence) and it gets over analyzed and it ends up meaning nothing.
If there were only a few dozen killed, then we would have heard it from numerous Israeli sources. I think he made a mistake. This is the only place that I've seen "several dozen".
And when I looked at the bodies it looked like more than several dozen to me. Some are piled on top of each other.

 

[JennieM]

Warning, this is a BBC article.

'Israel will follow on its pledge to crush Hamas' - Ex-US national security adviser​

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Former US National Security Advisor HR McMaster has told BBC's Radio 4 The World Tonight that he sees an Israeli ground invasion of Gaza as inevitable, given that Hamas presents an "existential threat" to Israel.

"Israel will follow up on its pledge to crush Hamas," he says, describing the goal as "achievable".

The hostages that Hamas has taken creates an even greater need for a ground invasion, he believes.

"I don't see any way out for Israel except to temporarily occupy at least portions if not all of Gaza," says McMaster, who served under former President Trump from 2017 to 2018.

He adds that if Hezbollah begins attacking Israel from the north, the US should "intervene" on behalf of its ally.

"I think that if there was a second front opened up with those 110,000 missiles that Hezbollah has aimed at Israel, I think the chances of US direct involvement are quite high."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67141589

 

[SkyBoomer]

They didn’t mention how many lives were lost or how many injuries.

Some posters here have, though.

 

[Friday Fan]

See the Eliot Higgins of Bellingcat thread that I just linked in above ... they've geo-located it to close to the hospital, but not 'at' the hospital.

In the courtyard, where approx 1,000 people were hanging out. It was likely the fire that killed them.

 

[JennieM]

Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #12​

18 Oct 2023

United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory | Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #12

Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Mr. Martin Griffiths briefed the Security Council today, stressing the need for humanitarian actors to be able to “deliver relief to civilians in need throughout Gaza, without impediment, in places of their choice...

www.ochaopt.org

 

[Vern]

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The BBC that instantly, and wrongly took Hamas' word for (from the Hamas' "flash") what happened and aired it worldwide.

The UN that did so as well.

They were not the only ones.

The issue isn't with the BBC OR the UN ... it's for them running with "factual" information coming from a terrorist organisation (ie: they used Hamas as their source! <--- that's who I distrust) that desperatly wanted to cover up their own complicity in this incident.

This is why it's important to investigate claims and get facts before firing false accusations world-wide for people to latch onto erroneously - especially when those allegations are coming from a teroristic organisation and source.

 

[Gypsy Road]

Most of the images of the hospital blast I’m seeing in the media and online are of the burnt up cars and burnt parking lot. I’m not saying the hospital wasn’t heavily damaged, but it seems strange that these are the images that the media is focusing on

 

[PommyMommy]

Israel-Hamas war live: Egypt-Gaza crossing to open for aid on Friday at the earliest, says White House (theguardian.com)
54s ago03.24 BST

AFP: Biden, asked by journalists about reports that his administration had told Israel that US forces would fight alongside Israeli troops in response to any attack by the powerful Lebanese movement Hezbollah against Israel, said this was “not true.”

However, he said that “our military is talking with their military about what the alternatives are” in the event of a Hezbollah attack.