Jailhouse snitch claims avery confessed

[proudfootz]

The best I could make out was that Hagerty wasn't revealing who shared the letter with him, but that the envelope was retained by the State as evidence.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

What the heck is a VAA outlet? It's in the first minute of the first clip, I wasn't going to watch but wanted to know what you were talking about LOL

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I'm guessing Victims Assistance of America. Abbreviated as VAA.

 

[missy1974]

http://www.recordadvocate.com/joseph-evans-speaks-out-about-steven-avery-confession-letter-14308/

Looks like we weren't wrong about the signatures.

JE said he has talked to LE and has not talked to Kratz or anyone else in the Netflix series. He said that what was in the letter is the truth..

He also says the death of his wife was an accident. :thinking:

 

[dexter75]

http://www.recordadvocate.com/joseph-evans-speaks-out-about-steven-avery-confession-letter-14308/

Looks like we weren't wrong about the signatures.

JE said he has talked to LE and has not talked to Kratz or anyone else in the Netflix series. He said that what was in the letter is the truth..

He also says the death of his wife was an accident. :thinking:

Nice work😉

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[CoolJ]

http://www.recordadvocate.com/joseph-evans-speaks-out-about-steven-avery-confession-letter-14308/

Looks like we weren't wrong about the signatures.

JE said he has talked to LE and has not talked to Kratz or anyone else in the Netflix series. He said that what was in the letter is the truth..

He also says the death of his wife was an accident. :thinking:

Can't help but think that this whole "letter" thing is a red herring somehow.

 

[dexter75]

Can't help but think that this whole "letter" thing is a red herring somehow.

God only knows with this case..the lengths LE or anyone involved in prosecuting Avery don't really surprise me any more😉
This is old news anyway my friend, haven't you heard??
KRATZ is now putting it all out there with his new " book "😉
Yep, KRATZ knows the TRUTH & is revealing all sorts of factual information.

Because HE has been known to be so straight forward with the truth & all..


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[policyoftruth501]

I'm laughing at the irony. ⬆️


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[dexter75]

I'm laughing at the irony. ⬆️


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You & I both😀

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[BigCityAccountant]

I'm laughing at the irony. ⬆️


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Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[policyoftruth501]

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Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Seems like there's ceaselessly plenty to go around in this case.

Unfortunately, there's a man sitting in jail for the rest of his life while the people who have actually broken the law ("allegedly") are still walking around free to do as they please.


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[dexter75]

Seems like there's ceaselessly plenty to go around in this case.

Unfortunately, there's a man sitting in jail for the rest of his life while the people who have actually broken the law ("allegedly") are still walking around free to do as they please.


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Makes me sick

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[proudfootz]

Ironies abound. The author of the letter is apparently an ordained minister.

"Now an ordained minister, Evans spends his time witnessing to other inmates and planning his wedding to [Kathy] Johnson, who moved from Minnesota to Boscobel, Wisconsin, to be near the prison."

http://www.recordadvocate.com/joseph-evans-speaks-out-about-steven-avery-confession-letter-14308/

Evans apparently accidentally killed his previous wife while threatening her with a loaded gun after she obtained a restraining order against him due to years of abuse.

http://ehextra.com/Content/Social/S...gs-curtain-down-on--tortuous-play-/-2/-2/6920

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Just read the whole 9 pages. The cover page is hand written and is like a letter ("To Whom It May Concern").

There are things in there that sound like things Avery would say. And some details sound mixed up, particularly where they took the SUV with her body in it (Brendan had said the intent was to throw her in the nearby pond but Avery scrapped that idea and decided on the burn pit).

It wasn't 9 pages of crime detail, as a good 2 pages or more are this inmate talking about how they met, how he got moved to the same prison and when, his own crimes and case, just some background stuff about their friendship, along with when he and Avery would talk, where, why he thought they got along, things like that. The details of what he claims he was told are contained on the next few pages. He spent another page talking about how their conversations ended and why, which made sense (Netflix series being put together) and he talked a bit about why he decided to say something.

There is a ring of truth to it. There are some specific things that would be interesting to find out: was TH wearing 2 rings that day? Was she wearing a necklace? (Avery supposedly took those items and discarded them).

I don't think this letter is going to do anything for the state and unless Avery's case gets overturned and then he's tried again, I don't see how the state could possibly introduce this letter. As for Brendan, he has his best chance with no mention of any letter. IMO this letter won't ever come into BD's case.

Great post like always.

I agree the letter itself doesn't help Dassey. The letter itself is useless at the moment since SAs case hasn't been overturned. However, if it should be... then I dont think the letter will be introduced but do believe they will have this guy testify at the next trial if it should happen.

Countless murder cases have had jailhouse inmates testify against the defendant when the defendant ran their mouth about their crime to them. It will be up to the jury to weigh the credibility of the inmate who testifies that a confession was made to them. In the trials I have seen where they have testified I cant remember one case where the jailhouse inmate's testimony wasnt believed by the jury.

Even his ex believes it has a ring of truth in it.
Lynn Hartman and Avery had several hundred phone conversations and met face-to-face three times during their eight-month correspondence. They also exchanged more than 100 letters, some of which she says contained language eerily similar to Steven’s alleged jailhouse confession.
Hartman, 54, said she has no doubt Avery told convicted murderer Joseph Evans Jr.how he raped and killed Halbach.

“The language is right on,” Hartman said, referring to verbiage Evans attributes to Avery. “It’s how he talks. He has a very unique dialect.”

For example, Evans claims Avery shot Teresa Halbach in the va****, and joked that he did so to “make sure her p**** was dead.”

“Steven would refer to me as his ‘va*****,’ and his ‘p****,'” Hartman said. “I told him to stop, and that he could call me Lynn, his girlfriend–even his wife, but not his ‘va*****.'

She said instead of growing in love together, an explosive and threatening side of Steven Avery emerged. He went from a man with grand promises of a new life, to the cold-blooded killer Evans describes.

I wasnt aware of this part:

“He was writing two or three a day,” she said. “He was saying I had ‘no way out’ of the relationship, and that he would hurt me and my kids if I didn’t help him and do what he wanted me to do.”

Hartman then turned to the officials at Waupun Correctional Institution, who issued a no-contact order, barring Avery from any further interaction.

I bet she turned over all of the threatening letters he had sent her to the WCI.


http://www.recordadvocate.com/case-...-fiance-comments-on-alleged-confession-14198/

 

[Karinna]

Great post like always.

I agree the letter itself doesn't help Dassey. The letter itself is useless at the moment since SAs case hasn't been overturned. However, if it should be... then I dont think the letter will be introduced but do believe they will have this guy testify at the next trial if it should happen.

Countless murder cases have had jailhouse inmates testify against the defendant when the defendant ran their mouth about their crime to them. It will be up to the jury to weigh the credibility of the inmate who testifies that a confession was made to them. In the trials I have seen where they have testified I cant remember one case where the jailhouse inmate's testimony wasnt believed by the jury.

Even his ex believes it has a ring of truth in it.
Lynn Hartman and Avery had several hundred phone conversations and met face-to-face three times during their eight-month correspondence. They also exchanged more than 100 letters, some of which she says contained language eerily similar to Steven’s alleged jailhouse confession.
Hartman, 54, said she has no doubt Avery told convicted murderer Joseph Evans Jr.how he raped and killed Halbach.

“The language is right on,” Hartman said, referring to verbiage Evans attributes to Avery. “It’s how he talks. He has a very unique dialect.”

For example, Evans claims Avery shot Teresa Halbach in the va****, and joked that he did so to “make sure her p**** was dead.”

“Steven would refer to me as his ‘va*****,’ and his ‘p****,'” Hartman said. “I told him to stop, and that he could call me Lynn, his girlfriend–even his wife, but not his ‘va*****.'

She said instead of growing in love together, an explosive and threatening side of Steven Avery emerged. He went from a man with grand promises of a new life, to the cold-blooded killer Evans describes.

I wasnt aware of this part:

“He was writing two or three a day,” she said. “He was saying I had ‘no way out’ of the relationship, and that he would hurt me and my kids if I didn’t help him and do what he wanted me to do.”

Hartman then turned to the officials at Waupun Correctional Institution, who issued a no-contact order, barring Avery from any further interaction.

I bet she turned over all of the threatening letters he had sent her to the WCI.


http://www.recordadvocate.com/case-...-fiance-comments-on-alleged-confession-14198/

Hartman is only coming out with this information now, lol? I thought the relationship was really way out there & ridiculous, but now i see why.

 

[Karinna]

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According to In Touch Weekly, Zellner sent a formal notice to the Las Vegas legal secretary telling her that her engagement to Avery had been “terminated” on Oct. 2. “As Mr. Avery expressed to you during your relationship with him, he deems his correspondence and communications with you to be confidential,” the letter read. “This constitutes an oral agreement with him.”

The note also prohibited Hartman from doing any interviews about the “Making A Murderer” star and their brief relationship. “Additionally, you should refrain from selling, distributing, or otherwise disseminate any photographs taken of you and Mr. Avery, and you should refrain from otherwise trying to profit from Mr. Avery’s likeness or your relationship with him,” it stated. “Finally, you should not offer any opinions regarding Mr. Avery’s case, or his guilt or innocence.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/steven-avery...veals-making-murderer-star-had-lawyer-2431307

 

[CoolJ]

Hartman is only coming out with this information now, lol? I thought the relationship was really way out there & ridiculous, but now i see why.

Yeah, cause she seems really sane lol. Another plant IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

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According to In Touch Weekly, Zellner sent a formal notice to the Las Vegas legal secretary telling her that her engagement to Avery had been “terminated” on Oct. 2. “As Mr. Avery expressed to you during your relationship with him, he deems his correspondence and communications with you to be confidential,” the letter read. “This constitutes an oral agreement with him.”

The note also prohibited Hartman from doing any interviews about the “Making A Murderer” star and their brief relationship. “Additionally, you should refrain from selling, distributing, or otherwise disseminate any photographs taken of you and Mr. Avery, and you should refrain from otherwise trying to profit from Mr. Avery’s likeness or your relationship with him,” it stated. “Finally, you should not offer any opinions regarding Mr. Avery’s case, or his guilt or innocence.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/steven-avery...veals-making-murderer-star-had-lawyer-2431307

How can Avery deem anything confidential? Once his letters are sent he no longer has control over them and the one who received them has full ownership to do whatever they wish to do with it. Its the same thing when people put their trashcan out by the curb. It is no longer the property of the one who put the trash in the can and put it on the curb.

Why is Zellner so threatened about what SA may have told this woman?

While I think this woman is weird for even wanting to be in the same room with SA she has a constitutional right to speak to whomever she wishes. Its obvious Ms. Hartman knows her rights and that is why she did the latest interview on the confession SA told to the other inmate. Like I said, I think any female who wants to have a relationship with a murderer is off somehow but I do think Ms. Hartman is a very articulate and intelligent woman. I also feel she knows Zellner cant tell her what to do or 'should' do.

As Zellner puts it she even knows she has no control over what this woman does or says. That is why she said 'should' refrain instead of 'shall or will' refrain. I am sure Ms Hartman has enough sense to contact a lawyer about her rights and they have told her a threatening letter from an attorney doesn't change those constitutional rights. Or she is already fully aware of them since she is a legal secretary.

It just sounds like KZ is trying to bully her into being silent. Why is she so worried about what this woman knows and was told by SA?

I do believe Ms. Hartman did give copies of the threatening letters she received from SA to the prison. KZs pronouncement that the engagement had been terminated is hilarious. Then how does she explain the actual letters where he is telling her she has no way out of the relationship. Its sounds like Ms. Hartman is the one who took legal action to make sure SA could no longer contact her.

She has as much right as anyone else in our country to speak out and have an opinion about SA. She had to laugh when she received this bluff letter.

IMO

 

[policyoftruth501]

It could very well be that Zellner is privy to information regarding Ms. Hartman and the relationship with SA or potential intentions on Ms. Hartman's part that we are unaware of and may never be aware of, depending on the nature of the situation. For those potential purposes, Zellner is possibly acting on behalf of SA's best interest regarding this matter - as it is her obligation to do so in all matters relating to SA's case.


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[Madeleine74]

I recall KZ publicly (on People) wishing the couple all the happiness in the world when they got engaged, so I don't think KZ had issues until the breakup. She didn't appear to care when this woman went on Dr. Phil or if she did, she didn't try to stop them/her.

However, KZ must have known SA, with his prolific letter writing and penchant for threatening overtly or subtly, women he's been involved with, might well send some nasty-grams once things went south with the latest female. It appears he did just that.

KZ's business is SA's appeal, not SA's personal life. She decided to get involved in personal matters, trying to keep the ex-fiance quiet by threatening her, which she cannot legally do. There's no non-disclosure contract, KZ has no legal standing over Lynn Hartman. Ms. Hartman, is free to opine all she wants about SA and things he said to her. His appeal won't be altered anyway.

 

[Madeleine74]

As for the jailhouse snitch, I agree with OceanBlueEyes. IF there's another trial for Avery, this guy could be called to the stand and questioned by both sides and it would then be up to a jury to decide if they believe his testimony or not. If Avery's conviction doesn't get overturned and there's no 2nd trial, then the letter is just another interesting artifact in the case that gets noticed for a time.

IMO the journalist who published the letter is irrelevant. The only relevancy, IMO, is the content of the letter and if that letter is exactly what the inmate (Evans) wrote and if it was published without any alteration. Then it is what it is.

I think it's possible that doubts about Avery's innocence have crept in; some of the statements alleged to be made by Avery are specific and some of what this guy says are not things he would have known by watching the news or reading a newspaper. This guy claims these conversations took place back starting in 2010. This is before Avery had a posse of supporters and fame from a miniseries. I suspect these 2 did talk.

In cases where an inmate or 2 or 3 testifies, they tend to be believed, especially if they haven't made some deal for less jail time in exchange. Local murder case in my area had 2 inmates the perp had talked to in jail, neither of the 2 inmates he told knew each other. One was put on the stand and the things he learned about the perp and the case were things he could not have known--they were things only one of the killers knew. Jury believed the inmate, as did pretty much everyone who followed the case.