"Jersey" and MW #3

[DeAnn]

My theory is actually quite simple. The baby was disposed of in the river. LE said river was very fast there and the river really is not that far. It would not be impossible for DB to simply walk and get rid of the body, having lived there I'm sure she knew all the shortcuts, dark paths, etc. In a panic a lot can be accomplished. The reason there is no evidence is because what evidence do you leave when you throw a baby in the river? That is why DB was so afraid to go out back IMHO, she was afraid she'd dropped something out there.

Not saying she didn't have an accomplice either, her brother would be my first guess and I'm sure he could hoof it over there pretty fast, again going through the alley's and such.

I just don't see DB being in good enough physical shape to walk from her house and back with a dead baby to the Missouri River. Maybe not impossible but darn close. She grew up in Independence. It's much more likely she's familiar with the Little Blue in eastern Jackson County than the Missouri.

I know I'm repeating myself but the Missouri River is very wide in KC (not Mississippi in Louisiana wide but wide) and the terrain is rugged and not easily accessible (other than Labenite Park, which isn't that far and the most likely entry point I think but would need a car). Not a case of dark paths or shortcuts. As In Da Middle said....it's easy if you don't know the Missouri River in Kansas City to say oh this could happen...if we were talking an LSU student who has gone missing....you could get to the Mississippi River easily in Baton Rouge or New Orleans but physically it's much more difficult in Kansas City. The only place in KC that I know of where it could be easily accessible would be Berkley Park or by Harrah's and again that's impractical for former and heavily traveled for latter.

And if she's going to the Missouri River...her backyard is in the opposite direction based on what I know.

ETA: What alleys? There are no alleys along the Missouri River....

 

[In da Middle]

My theory is actually quite simple. The baby was disposed of in the river. LE said river was very fast there and the river really is not that far. It would not be impossible for DB to simply walk and get rid of the body, having lived there I'm sure she knew all the shortcuts, dark paths, etc. In a panic a lot can be accomplished. The reason there is no evidence is because what evidence do you leave when you throw a baby in the river? That is why DB was so afraid to go out back IMHO, she was afraid she'd dropped something out there.

Not saying she didn't have an accomplice either, her brother would be my first guess and I'm sure he could hoof it over there pretty fast, again going through the alley's and such.

Having lived here for many more years than her - Trust me she is not going to be walking to the river from here at night. Not happening. There are NO paths that lead to the river from there other than the road. No matter where she would have gone, she would have to go past hwy 210. No way around it. She would also have to cross the train tracks, that is if there is no train sitting there waiting at the grain elevator. right off of N Brighton there is no super easy way to get to the river on foot, ESPECIALLY at night. It is not lit down there and is pitch black with rough terrain. I am not saying nobody put her in the river, but I am positive it did not happen on foot by anybody. I have walked down there MANY times, not happening by foot in the dark.

 

[Nixie]

IMO I don't know why she would be scared to see something she dropped. I would be scared to find something dead or that something dangerous was there but not something I dropped. I find it odd she said that, but not because I think she dropped some sort of evidence. Seems like she would have went looking to find it before LE or would have told them she looked to put off them searching the back yard.

 

[hambirg]

She says Craigs List

I know, but when did she place that ad?

My theory kind of goes like this. . .if DB suspected Jersey of breaking into their car, she could have periodically been checking Craigslist to see if his number came up with anything matching what was taken. Did she happen to come across MW's ad that night? Fueled by a little liquid courage, did she attempt to call it and confront the thief? Idk. . .but I don't think it is a totally crazy theory.

 

[hambirg]

I don't know the answer to that. Do you think that the 11:57 call was to try and recover stolen property?

Maybe. ..idk. But I think it's possible.

 

[In da Middle]

I'm at a dead end on all of this. Whether it was Jersey attempting a phone call at 11:57pm, or DB drunk dialed the number while moving contacts from her broken phone to the one her dad gave her after she transferred service, it still all leads back to LE. While it's great to hear the news that RR is going to get MW's cell phone records to resolve that issue of the call to MW not going through that night, I have to consider that LE has already covered these same exact things early early on in the investigation.

But can you imagine how it must be bugging MW wondering? I am glad somebody is at least helping her navigate her way through this to end some of the speculation and for her to know what calls were made/received on her phone before and after that call.

 

[natsound]

I'm at a dead end on all of this. Whether it was Jersey attempting a phone call at 11:57pm, or DB drunk dialed the number while moving contacts from her broken phone to the one her dad gave her after she transferred service, it still all leads back to LE. While it's great to hear the news that RR is going to get MW's cell phone records to resolve that issue of the call to MW not going through that night, I have to consider that LE has already covered these same exact things early early on in the investigation.

I feel the same way regarding MW's phone records. I'm pretty certain there will be no bombshells on her phone records. I want to see DB's phone records pretty badly, though....

 

[DeAnn]

I know, but when did she place that ad?

My theory kind of goes like this. . .if DB suspected Jersey of breaking into their car, she could have been periodically been checking Craigslist to see if his number came up with anything matching what was taken. Did she happen to come across MW's ad that night? Fueled by a little liquid courage, did she attempt to call it and confront the thief? Idk. . .but I don't think it is a totally crazy theory.

Perhaps I'm naive but I believe Picerno & Stanton when they say DB and Jersey didn't know each other. If they had.....I think there would have been scuttlebutt or push back by the detectives.

Instead they "moved on" from Jersey and his public defender says he's not a suspect. If he were involved...why would Picerno would have been so brazen to have said that and risked KCPD calling his bluff through phone records or whatever? and as someone else said....they would have worked out an immunity deal right?

Someone would have come forward by now and said...these two know each other and here's how. Because even if she knows Jersey broke into her car, how does she know Megan's number to be looking for it? She might know Jersey from around the neighborhood but no more than that. If they had drank together, did drugs together, did anything together how has it stayed so hush hush?

To accept that Jersey is involved means one of two things is happening here. KCPD and the public defender are lying (why would both lie?!) or KCPD did a bad job of investigating Jersey. And I just don't see that but willing to listen to all arguments because I have an open mind.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

IMO I don't know why she would be scared to see something she dropped. I would be scared to find something dead or that something dangerous was there but not something I dropped. I find it odd she said that, but not because I think she dropped some sort of evidence. Seems like she would have went looking to find it before LE or would have told them she looked to put off them searching the back yard.

DB says odd things, that's the problem. She's not the most articulate person. People weigh and measure everything she says and make more out of it than there is. She was obviously flustered when being questioned and interviewed, and that is my explanation for why some of what she says is suspect. I actually think that remark about being afraid to look in the back yard makes her look more innocent than guilty.

Earlier in this case I did some reading on that site about 'statement analysis'. I find it flawed. So many things they were saying pointed to guilt are things I could imagine myself saying.

 

[natsound]

Perhaps I'm naive but I believe Picerno & Stanton when they say DB and Jersey didn't know each other. If they had.....I think there would have been scuttlebutt or push back by the detectives.

Instead they "moved on" from Jersey and his public defender says he's not a suspect. If he were involved...why would Picerno would have been so brazen to have said that and risked KCPD calling his bluff through phone records or whatever? and as someone else said....they would have worked out an immunity deal right?

Someone would have come forward by now and said...these two know each other and here's how. Because even if she knows Jersey broke into her car, how does she know Megan's number to be looking for it? She might know Jersey from around the neighborhood but no more than that. If they had drank together, did drugs together, did anything together how has it stayed so hush hush?

To accept that Jersey is involved means one of two things is happening here. KCPD and the public defender are lying (why would both lie?!) or KCPD did a bad job of investigating Jersey. And I just don't see that but willing to listen to all arguments because I have an open mind.

I agree. I really think that 11:57 phone call attempt means something though. I think it's a big clue as to what happened to Lisa, and what DB's intentions were.

 

[wfgodot]

The affidavit said the dog taken into the house Monday indicated a "positive `hit' for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/document-cadaver-dog-hit-_n_1025872.html

 

[hambirg]

Perhaps I'm naive but I believe Picerno & Stanton when they say DB and Jersey didn't know each other. If they had.....I think there would have been scuttlebutt or push back by the detectives.

Instead they "moved on" from Jersey and his public defender says he's not a suspect. If he were involved...why would Picerno would have been so brazen to have said that and risked KCPD calling his bluff through phone records or whatever? and as someone else said....they would have worked out an immunity deal right?

Someone would have come forward by now and said...these two know each other and here's how. Because even if she knows Jersey broke into her car, how does she know Megan's number to be looking for it? She might know Jersey from around the neighborhood but no more than that. If they had drank together, did drugs together, did anything together how has it stayed so hush hush?

To accept that Jersey is involved means one of two things is happening here. KCPD and the public defender are lying (why would both lie?!) or KCPD did a bad job of investigating Jersey. And I just don't see that but willing to listen to all arguments because I have an open mind.

I'm not saying they knew each other. . just that DB could have known of him and suspected him of breaking into their car. How she could have got his number? I have no idea. . .but it seems to be something out there in the neighborhood. Did he have a handyman ad anywhere? Even on Craigslist maybe? Who knows.

MOO

 

[matou]

Rugen posting some info about his meeting with Megan Wright. Sounds like there is more to come: https://www.facebook.com/KansasCityPI

 

[highflyer]

Rugen posting some info about his meeting with Megan Wright. Sounds like there is more to come: https://www.facebook.com/KansasCityPI

Rugen has not been verified by the PTB here as a professional or local has he?

 

[hambirg]

Rugen has not been verified by the PTB here as a professional or local has he?

Idk, but he's been linked to before. And he was a guest on Websleuths Radio.

 

[highflyer]

Idk, but he's been linked to before. And he was a guest on Websleuths Radio.

Okay, don't see his name on the list.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Rugen posting some info about his meeting with Megan Wright. Sounds like there is more to come: https://www.facebook.com/KansasCityPI

So ... Rugen is going to get Megan's cell phone records that go back to 6/14/11 ...

:waitasec: :waitasec: But what Rugen also states that he is going to go back over that night and "Jersey's use" of her phone ... :waitasec:

Did Rugen mean "Dane" -- the person Megan said who was staying at the community house who was using her phone that night ?

:waitasec: Was Jersey using Megan's phone when they were dating ?

:waitasec: More confusion ...

:waitasec:

 

[hambirg]

So ... Rugen is going to get Megan's cell phone records that go back to 6/14/11 ...

:waitasec: :waitasec: But what Rugen also states that he is going to go back over that night and "Jersey's use" of her phone ... :waitasec:

Did Rugen mean "Dane" -- the person Megan said who was staying at the community house who was using her phone that night ?

:waitasec: Was Jersey using Megan's phone when they were dating ?

:waitasec: More confusion ...

:waitasec:

I think Jersey was using MW's phone when they were dating.

MOO

 

[Minette]

ITA and I also think if it was Jersey and he helped her dispose of the body he would have been offered a good enough deal to talk. If he was just involved in disposing of the body I am sure LE would offer him immunity to find Lisa and get DB on murder charges.

This is where the 'Jersey helped DB dispose of the body' theory sticks in my throat. Aside from what DB could possibly offer him to risk going down as an accessory after the fact, why would he keep his mouth shut?? What could prompt such a high level of loyalty in the face of suspicion of involvement with the kidnapping/death of an infant?? Aside from that one phone call, no connection whatsoever between DB & Jersey has been reported by MSM or stated by LE. (Please correct me if I am wrong!) All the theories of a drug connection, romantic connection, etc. are sheer speculation, as is much else in this case.

Plus, to me, you can't have both the "DB was sleuthing Jersey for possible involvement with their car break-in" and the "DB called up Jersey for some baby disposal work complete with guaranteed silence and willingness to take the fall." Those two things don't go together, IMO.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I think Jersey was using MW's phone when they were dating.

MOO

He probably was using her phone ...

But HOW is Rugen going to determine which calls were made by Megan and which calls were made by Jersey -- when you have 2 different people using 1 phone ?

IMO ... it would come down to verifying the person WHO received calls from Megan and then verifying WHO received calls from Jersey -- and -- WHO Megan phoned and WHO Jersey phoned ... :waitasec:

:waitasec: And I wonder if he will find any phone calls made to and/or from DB, JI, and/or any of the family or friends ?


MOO ...