"Jersey" and MW #3

[Minette]

He probably was using her phone ...

But HOW is Rugen going to determine which calls were made by Megan and which calls were made by Jersey -- when you have 2 different people using 1 phone ?

IMO ... it would come down to verifying the person WHO received calls from Megan and then verifying WHO received calls from Jersey -- and -- WHO Megan phoned and WHO Jersey phoned ... :waitasec:

:waitasec: And I wonder if he will find any phone calls made to and/or from DB, JI, and/or any of the family or friends ?


MOO ...

BBM: and not just two different people, either! Could include Dane & any number of the other residents of that house. :banghead:

 

[yllek]

He probably was using her phone ...

But HOW is Rugen going to determine which calls were made by Megan and which calls were made by Jersey -- when you have 2 different people using 1 phone ?

IMO ... it would come down to verifying the person WHO received calls from Megan and then verifying WHO received calls from Jersey -- and -- WHO Megan phoned and WHO Jersey phoned ... :waitasec:

:waitasec: And I wonder if he will find any phone calls made to and/or from DB, JI, and/or any of the family or friends ?


MOO ...

IMO, the only thing that matters to Megan and Rugen is whether there are any calls/texts from her number to numbers associated with Debbi or Jeremy or a member of their families. If they find any such numbers dialed out, they could work to determine if it was during the time Megan was dating Jersey and he could have made the calls, or if they were at times when she was letting the housemates use the phone. Personally, I think LE has checked all the outgoing and incoming calls for Megan's phone number already, but LE is not telling her anything, so she and Rugen are doing their own sleuthing. JMO...

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

This is where the 'Jersey helped DB dispose of the body' theory sticks in my throat. Aside from what DB could possibly offer him to risk going down as an accessory after the fact, why would he keep his mouth shut?? What could prompt such a high level of loyalty in the face of suspicion of involvement with the kidnapping/death of an infant?? Aside from that one phone call, no connection whatsoever between DB & Jersey has been reported by MSM or stated by LE. (Please correct me if I am wrong!) All the theories of a drug connection, romantic connection, etc. are sheer speculation, as is much else in this case.

Plus, to me, you can't have both the "DB was sleuthing Jersey for possible involvement with their car break-in" and the "DB called up Jersey for some baby disposal work complete with guaranteed silence and willingness to take the fall." Those two things don't go together, IMO.

Add to that Jersey was not even in possession of MW's phone that night so how did DB make that contact, and how did she do it all not know when JI would be home. Plus let's factor in we can't have DB blacked out drunk for part of the scenario and faking being drunk when convenient.
I think if Jersey was not involved in the diappearance of BL, he may have found the phones which were carelessly discarded by whoever did take BL from the home. Thanks for your great post Minette. :rocker:

 

[Allusonz]

http://media2.nbcactionnews.com/NWT/pdf/20111021_irwinwarrant.pdf

I do believe that the phones are very important in this case, the police think so too, the phones are brought up in the affidavit for the warrant.

I don't recall stating that the phones were not important. I believe the phones are a key part of this.

 

[Allusonz]

She had only to remove the batteries and stick them somewhere, maybe her purse. Jersey on the other hand, if he were the man seen by MT, would have been out of the 1/5 to 1/3 mile radius of the later pings. All MOO.

Can we be certain that he had the cell phones with him. We have an eye witness seeing a baby being carried with no mention of cell phones. Could those phones of been left in a residence that he happened to be squatting in? I don't know.

 

[natsound]

I think Jersey was using MW's phone when they were dating.

MOO

That's what I think too, and IMO that's how DB came to call that number that night. She was looking for him for help, hoping he would answer.

(Every time we type MW was dating Jersey, I have to wonder what a date with Jersey would consist of. Walking up the street? A bike ride? A lil' property
crime? :floorlaugh

 

[natsound]

Hambirg says the 11:57 call could be DB trying to recover stolen property. Is that your belief, or do you have another theory?

I really think the accident or other horrible thing had already happened by 11:57, and DB was attempting to call Jersey to see if her shady friend could help. She couldn't reach him, so she took matters into her own hands.

 

[imamaze]

A lot of off topic posts again everyone. It is so important to post in the right thread, information gets lost if its not. Please post in the right thread, it makes it so much easier to read through. Thanks.

Ima

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I really think the accident or other horrible thing had already happened by 11:57, and DB was attempting to call Jersey to see if her shady friend could help. She couldn't reach him, so she took matters into her own hands.

BBM:

WHY would Deborah call Jersey -- a "shady" friend -- when "something" happened to her baby under HER watch for help ?

Would you TRUST the "shady" homeless guy in your neighborhood ? IMO, ONLY if you knew him very well -- AND -- if you had "something" on him that you could "hold over his head" ...

WHO would you TRUST more :

1. Your hubby, your brother, your father ... another family member ...

-- OR --

2. The "shady" homeless guy in your neighborhood who has a "rap sheet" ...


For #1, as the saying goes "blood is thicker than water" ... and we have seen many other cases where "family members" have "covered" for the perp ... MOO ...

For #2, DB must know Jersey VERY VERY WELL IF she needed his help that night with respect to the baby ...


:waitasec: WHAT would be Jersey's MOTIVE for kidnapping Lisa ?


Of course ... all of this is JMO and MOO ...

 

[natsound]

BBM:

WHY would Deborah call Jersey -- a "shady" friend -- when "something" happened to her baby under HER watch for help ?

Would you TRUST the "shady" homeless guy in your neighborhood ? IMO, ONLY if you knew him very well -- AND -- if you had "something" on him that you could "hold over his head" ...

WHO would you TRUST more :

1. Your hubby, your brother, your father ... another family member ...

-- OR --

2. The "shady" homeless guy in your neighborhood who has a "rap sheet" ...


For #1, as the saying goes "blood is thicker than water" ... and we have seen many other cases where "family members" have "covered" for the perp ... MOO ...

For #2, DB must know Jersey VERY VERY WELL IF she needed his help that night with respect to the baby ...


:waitasec: WHAT would be Jersey's MOTIVE for kidnapping Lisa ?


Of course ... all of this is JMO and MOO ...

Not to open another pandora's box about Jersey, but if there's someone who is addicted to alcohol or drugs, and has a history of shady dealings, that person might take cash for doing a dirty job.

I can't see a family member disposing of a dead infant relative to help a grown relative.

 

[cityslick]

Not to open another pandora's box about Jersey, but if there's someone who is addicted to alcohol or drugs, and has a history of shady dealings, that person might take cash for doing a dirty job.

I can't see a family member disposing of a dead infant relative to help a grown relative.

I agree. We know JI didn't help her (he was at work) so who's left? PN? SB? Plus, it was MW's number that was called and I believe there had to has to be a reason, it was not random.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Not to open another pandora's box about Jersey, but if there's someone who is addicted to alcohol or drugs, and has a history of shady dealings, that person might take cash for doing a dirty job.

I can't see a family member disposing of a dead infant relative to help a grown relative.

Yes, Jersey does have a "rap sheet" that includes "arson" and no doubt he is "shady" ... BUT -- would he go so far as to get involved with the disposal of a "dead infant" ?

WHERE would someone -- with Jersey's criminal background -- "draw the line" with respect to crime ?

IMO ... IF Jersey was involved in the disposal of the body, I think he would have been "singing" by now ... JMO ...

BBM: :waitasec: Maybe ... remember that family down in Orlando ... of course, that's if you believe the perp's defense attorney's :crazy:

MOO ...

 

[natsound]

Yes, Jersey does have a "rap sheet" that includes "arson" and no doubt he is "shady" ... BUT -- would he go so far as to get involved with the disposal of a "dead infant" ?

WHERE would someone -- with Jersey's criminal background -- "draw the line" with respect to crime ?

IMO ... IF Jersey was involved in the disposal of the body, I think he would have been "singing" by now ... JMO ...

BBM: :waitasec: Maybe ... remember that family down in Orlando ... of course, that's if you believe the perp's defense attorney's :crazy:

MOO ...

For clarity's sake, I DON'T think Jersey helped! As I stated earlier, I theorize that DB might have attempted to call him for help though, thus the 11:57 attempt.

 

[deoneta]

I don't think Jersey was involved. If DB is responsible and if she had help, I think she would most likely call on a family member. How she would have got in touch with anyone I have no idea. Early on, DB said she'd been online that evening although that seemed to disappear from the timeline like the 7:30 and 10:30 checkups. But if Jersey was involved in anyway, I don't see him talking. If he was the perpetrator, he would realize LE doesn't have enough to charge, and he would be unlikely to help their case. If he involved in either the disposal of a body or the disposal of the phones, I don't think he has a good reason to talk. He was picked up for a parole violation. Even with a deal, accessory to a homicide would be more serious than any charges he faces now, and besides, he would probably realize he'd end up as the defense alternate theory of the crime. All MOO.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

For clarity's sake, I DON'T think Jersey helped! As I stated earlier, I theorize that DB might have attempted to call him for help though, thus the 11:57 attempt.

I don't think Jersey helped either ...

MOO ...

 

[askfornina]

I don't think Jersey helped either ...

MOO ...

just curious dog.gone.cute, what is your theory on why the call was attempted to MW's phone at 11:57? TIA

 

[cityslick]

I don't think Jersey was involved. If DB is responsible and if she had help, I think she would most likely call on a family member. How she would have got in touch with anyone I have no idea. Early on, DB said she'd been online that evening although that seemed to disappear from the timeline like the 7:30 and 10:30 checkups. But if Jersey was involved in anyway, I don't see him talking. If he was the perpetrator, he would realize LE doesn't have enough to charge, and he would be unlikely to help their case. If he involved in either the disposal of a body or the disposal of the phones, I don't think he has a good reason to talk. He was picked up for a parole violation. Even with a deal, accessory to a homicide would be more serious than any charges he faces now, and besides, he would probably realize he'd end up as the defense alternate theory of the crime. All MOO.

What is your theory behind the call to MW then? Was she hoping to get a family member via MW's cell phone?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

just curious dog.gone.cute, what is your theory on why the call was attempted to MW's phone at 11:57? TIA

:seeya: I have a few :innocent: lol ...

But first, let me say that I wish there was more info as to "WHO" really knows "WHO" :

Does Deborah and Jeremy know Jersey ? IMO, yes, and IMO, I believe DB "knows" Jersey better than she has let on ...
Does Deborah and Jeremy know Megan ? IMO, I believe that Deborah does know Megan because she "dated" Jersey -- again JMO ...
Does anyone in DB/JI's family know Jersey ? ?
Does anyone in DB/JI's family know Megan ? ?
Does Deborah and Jeremy know "anyone else" who lived in the "community house" with Megan -- and maybe used her phone ? ?

What we do know is:

Megan and Jersey "dated" ...
And IIRC, Megan "claims" she does not know Deborah and/or Jeremy ...


So ... I can only SPECULATE as to any "theory" about the call Megan received at 11:57 ...

Theory #1 :

Megan's phone number was probably already programmed in Deborah's phone for "Jersey" ... so maybe Deborah called looking for Jersey ...

But IMO, IF Deborah was looking for Jersey, I don't think it was to "dispose" of a body -- I think it MAY have been about items for "adult time" ... KWIM ... or just maybe -- DB called looking for Jersey to ask him some ?s about "criminal system" ... Besides a "defense attorney", who else would know about the criminal system ? Someone who has been IN the criminal system for their crimes ... KWIM ?


Theory #2 :

Maybe -- possibly -- "someone else" was at the house that night with DB and that person used Deborah's phone to call Megan or someone at the community house ? Or maybe they were looking for Jersey ?

I know this one is a "stretch" -- but do we really know WHO was at the house that night, besides the neighbor, SB ?

No ... can only speculate ...


Theory #3 :

Megan's phone number was already programmed in Deborah's phone under the name "Jersey" ...

Maybe Deborah hit the name "Jersey" instead of the name "Jeremy" ...

Ever go down the phone list in your phone and "accidentally dial" a person with the same 1st initial ? and same 2nd letter and the same 3rd letter ?

J-E-R-E-M-Y

J-E-R-S-E-Y

Here, the first 3 letters are the same ... and after some :drink: :drink: Deborah hit "Jersey" instead of "Jeremy" ... I know I know ... sounds like a "stretch" ...


But IMO ... Theory #3 makes the most SENSE to me ...

Just MAYBE these 11:57 phone call to Megan was an "accidental dialing" -- NOT one of those "butt dialing things" --

Just that Deborah tried to dial JERemY and dialed JERseY ...


Of course ... all of this is JMO and SPECULATION ... and MOO ...

 

[deoneta]

What is your theory behind the call to MW then? Was she hoping to get a family member via MW's cell phone?

No. If DB attempted that call, I'd say it was unrelated to the disapperance. Maybe looking for weed. I haven't discounted the number being written on DB's hand. That could be a questioning tactic on the part of LE with no validity, but maybe not. I'm also not so sure we know everything about internet or phone activity that night. Again, maybe, maybe not. All MOO.

 

[deoneta]

BBM That's the issue I have with DB calling in a family member, we have had no evidence of any other calls made that night. I wish LE would release what evidence if any they have on SB and JB's whereabouts and phone records, because if DB didn't use her phone to contact anyone, that leaves few other options of how she would / could have made contact with anyone. Short of flagging down the first bicycle to roll by.
I still haven't seen enough evidence to satisfy a jury that anyone we know of was involved. With that said I'll stick to my theory for now and wait for more from LE that we can work with.

I don't know how DB could have contacted anyone either unless there is phone or internet activity we don't know anything about. I've thought about DB using SB's phone, but I'd think LE would have accessed SB's phone records. If anyone from DB's family had shown up on the records, I think we would have heard more about family members being interviewed. A call to her husband (JB) could be easily enough explained, however. The problem I have with Jersey being the man seen by MT is the timing with the attempts to access VM and the internet. If MT's sighting is valid and related and it wasn't Jersey or another intruder, it still could have been DB trying to use her cell phone. The problem with that scenario is that JB has passed a poly, and LE has "moved on". All MOO.