"Jersey" and MW

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Excuse me for saying so, but... GROSS! She was changing diapers, wiping a sick baby's nose, not to mention attending to any of her own "bathroom functions" and the possibility the baby was also vomiting. Then she fixed the kids dinner WITHOUT WASHING HER HANDS? She's got my vote for Mother of the Year... not.

I do not understand how it's "obvious" she didn't wash her hands? I've showered and gone an entire day, including hand-washing, taking mc gloves on and off, and have stuff written on my hand still.

Sad that people are bent on assuming the worst about these folks.
 
On HLN they reinterviewd MW and she says the majority of her LE questioning has had to do with Jersey. Hmmmm
 
I do not understand how it's "obvious" she didn't wash her hands? I've showered and gone an entire day, including hand-washing, taking mc gloves on and off, and have stuff written on my hand still.

Sad that people are bent on assuming the worst about these folks.

How can people assume the 'folks' innocence?
So many things point to them. I don't know how involved they are, I still think they're involved.
 
Excuse me for saying so, but... GROSS! She was changing diapers, wiping a sick baby's nose, not to mention attending to any of her own "bathroom functions" and the possibility the baby was also vomiting. Then she fixed the kids dinner WITHOUT WASHING HER HANDS? She's got my vote for Mother of the Year... not.


Maybe she wrote in on there with a Sharpie if it really was on her hand at all. All we really know is the MW said that LE told her that it was written on her hand.
 
How can people assume the 'folks' innocence?
So many things point to them. I don't know how involved they are, I still think they're involved.

As well as things that point away from them.
 
But why? And why would Megan get involved with this?

This is out of left field, but...

If JT was seeing DB AND MW and they both found out, I can see MW agreeing to setting him up, and the plan was to return the baby later. But if MW began to suspect the baby was JT's rather than JI's, she may have become angry enough not to want to return it afterward.

TOTAL SPECULATION. NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THIS!
 
Originally Posted by LisaB
Excuse me for saying so, but... GROSS! She was changing diapers, wiping a sick baby's nose, not to mention attending to any of her own "bathroom functions" and the possibility the baby was also vomiting. Then she fixed the kids dinner WITHOUT WASHING HER HANDS? She's got my vote for Mother of the Year... not.

Drinking, drinking to get loaded. Then blacking out, I recon she didn't bother with personal cleanliness, watching children, excetera.
 
MW on Vinnie's show just said that Jersey was a fire bug. He had arson charges on his record. Show is on right now
 
As well as things that point away from them.

I found nothing that points away from them and everything that points towards them.

Bad parents are in the news every single solitary day.
Murdering parents are as well.
 
Originally Posted by HatesSociopaths
that understanding would then be incorrect. Megan appears to have a certain lifestyle that would lend itself to conspiring in a crime.
BBM.

What?

Probably a reference to the ICP (Juggalo/Juggalette) aspect. Those who followed the Hailey Dunn case know that this band came into play as one of SA's preoccupations and was considered an indication that he was violent, misogynistic and bloodthirsty.
 
I think Jersey is the one that broke into JI's vehicle. I think it was reported a month before Lisa disappeared. Maybe he boosted the GPS and listed it on Craigslist?

I think Jersey broke into many vehicles in between "jobs" and someone sold his haul for him on Craigslist on a regular basis.

MOO
 
Originally Posted by cluciano63
Or perhaps vice versa...I think this is either custodial for a potential break-up in the works, or a ploy for attention, or an attempt to take the focus off of some other problem in the marriage, that kind of thing, with Lisa not having meant to be harmed, but something may have gone wrong if the "helpers" of the instigator were intoxicated, for example. Just a theory, JMO.
What I've been wondering about is if it has to do with paternity?

Maybe statistics can shed some light on some things:

I spoke with a family member who is formerly LE and now works in security consulting. He specifically works with other retired FBI and SS officers.

He'd been out of KC and had'nt heard about the case during the first week. When he got back I asked him "so what do your FBI contacts think of this case." He said, "Well, I haven't heard about it yet but if you want the physical description of the abductor, here you go: female, in her 20s to low 30s, overweight or obese, low-income. In the huge majority of these cases, this is the description of the kind of person who takes an infant."

Not long ago he and his co-workers found an infant abducted within 6 hours after presenting this description to potential witnesses. They said they saw a woman who fit this description, and that woman was found with the baby and brought home safe a sound.

So, maybe we should couple the LE-developed description with what else we know about crimes. Statistically crime follows crime. Meaning, where there's drug use there is drug dealing, where there is drug-dealing, there is likely to be more crime like assault, battery, aggravated battery, kidnapping, and murder.

Where there is theft there is more likely to be assault, battery, etc.. Where there are ex-cons there is a statistically higher likelihood of other crime. (I'm not tarring all ex-offenders here, just quoting objective data.)

We've got an area of town where there is a preponderance of low-income housing, there are people involved in drug use, alcohol use, and at least one ex-con.

Now we have a missing little girl.

So we ask one question:

What's the statistical incidence of children being abducted due to marital instability in an intact home? Answer: so rare it's within the bottom 1 percent. Regardless of our suspicions about their home life. The fact is that the Irwin home was intact on 10/4/11. Was it a blended family? Yes. Were they married? No. (I should note that I am in a blended family and my SO and I are not married. She has two daughters and I consider them my own. We've been together for over 15 years, and have had no problems outside the fact that one of our kids can't clean her room.)

What's the statistical evidence suggesting that a different, more serious crime, can be tied with drug use, theft or ex-cons? It's exponentially more likely than an abduction from an intact family over domestic strife.

I'm not trying to tear down anyone's theory, I'm just using the data we know to be the devil's advocate.

The most likely reality, from the data, is parent-involved death of the infant. (Hate to say it).

The NEXT most likely involved reality, from the data, is a woman in her 20s who is over weight took the baby and this crime is committed in the context of other, less severe crimes (ie drug use, dealing, theft, etc..)

So, let's look at MW and DB. http://videos.kansascity.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=118607431

They both fit the description of an infant-child abductor to a tee.

Given the description, and the other criminal elements involved with these folks, I'd be focusing my time on one of these two or their relationship to one another. How does it tie in with ancillary crime in the area, the characters who might be going in and out of that house with 8 people in it.

I think we're going to find that this little girl's disappearance is tied in with other crime and criminals in the area. Whether mom/dad had a hand in it or not.

Just my .02.
 
Probably a reference to the ICP (Juggalo/Juggalette) aspect. Those who followed the Hailey Dunn case know that this band came into play as one of SA's preoccupations and was considered an indication that he was violent, misogynistic and bloodthirsty.

Also prevalent in the Alyssa Bustamente case as well as others. I can see why the FBI is concerned with the group and it's followers.

MOO
 
Okay so, this one neighbor on Vinnie P on HLN is now saying that the dumpster fire MAY have been set by Jersey. And MW says that he has an arson record in the past.

Could he have started a dumpster fire, but it has no connection to the baby ? Maybe, but then if you add the phone call at 8:30 into the mix, it seems like it has to be related somehow. imoo
 
Could a heavy drinking mom, whose drinkin was confirmed by her own mouth have been doing an affair with homeless handyman? Did D discover Lisa got in the way of her mojo?

Pukey to even say.
 
Has a physical description of Jersey ever been given?

Neighbor being interviewed on VP show just now said his head was shaved. Another said around 5'8" and slim build. Said he looked nothing like the picture.
 
Also prevalent in the Alyssa Bustamente case as well as others. I can see why the FBI is concerned with the group and it's followers.

MOO

Who said the joga whatevers are connected with Lisa's disappearance?
thanksinadvance
 
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