Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #25 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[wenwe4]

TA picked her up by the waist .. . she had a very beautiful black dress, lots of cleavage, . . TA looked like he enjoyed it . . . .
I didnt feel that that behavior was appropriate . . . I stood up . . . . walk away I had to walk right past them . . . . they stopped me . . . she just slurred. . .(?) .

I was appalled that he was doing that right in front of me . . I sat down in the bathroom stall crying . . . everytime door opened I would put my feet up - didn't want people toknow I was upset . . . I felt ashamed . . . maybe I would be perceived as overly dramatic, . . . . Iwanted tojust shrug it off . . . . they were pressing their bodies up to each other . . . bt I didn't want others t think I was over reacting . . .

shortly after Ileft the stall -checked make up- made myself look like I wasn't crying - half hour had passed (giggle) . . . someone noticed me . . .. Istopped and said hi . . . as I got near elevators TA texted me . . . oh I forgot something that happened before he texted me . . . let's just focus on after TAtexted you . . . ok

he met me on the elevator . . .as I came off . . . outside elevator there was a long hallway but a table and 2 chairs next to the elevator . . .

are you yelling or crying wit him?
I calmed down a lot. . .as he talked about it it upset me again . he reassured me . . . . didn't really end the discussion . . . he sen met a really nice text latr that night . . .

leave Oklahoma City . . . . you spent time at a friend of Travis had dinner there - drive back to Palm Desert from Mesa . . . working @ Quisto and California Pizza Kitchen I think . . . . seeing TA every week or every other week .

Sawhim again on the following weekend - TA came toSouthern California the one JA would go to . .

 

[Boodles]

Dragging this out so there is JUST ENOUGH TIME for the phone sex call. Then bye bye jury for the long weekend. I'm starting to hope the PS call is really long just to stop this drivel!

 

[gngr~snap]

How does she hold a job?
She was "off" with Travis so often!

 

[HarvestMoon]

I had to take a break since lunch recess, for real, I couldn't take it anymore.

 

[spcagrl]

Generous cleavage? Has she been reading a thesaurus for the past four years?

This from someone with a $300.00 boob job.......

 

[Mormon Attorney]

Many survivors of domestic abuse on this very forum have been extremely vocal in stating we see far more of an abusive personality in Jodi and in Travis the profile of an abuse victim.

Legal standards and subjectivity to definitions aside I've always personally found that a very strong statement. FWIW

I agree. Just trying to point out that if "using is abusing," it certainly doesn't meet the legal standard for murder.

And, having worked with abuse extensively, I cannot imagine how hard it is to watch this. When you have lived through hell, it is hard to see someone try to pass off this relationship as the same thing. To me, even if all she said is true, TA was a typical "ex-boyfriend" meaning that we all have a long list of ex-boyfriends who did stupid things we did not like. We broke up. We did not kill. We certainly did not kill 29 times.

 

[Laceybug]

Severe case of liar liar pants on fire
Imo


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It's like a Sauna up in here.... No mas pantalones

 

[Pensfan]

No I'm starting to understand why. Here are the characteristics of a victim of domestic violence (I will highlight the ones I think thye are trying to prove through her testimony):

Characteristics of Domestic Violence Victims

Emotional Warning Signs:
Do you…
___ experience depression?
___ have suicidal thoughts?
___ feel emotionally distressed?
___ demonstrate dependency on the relationship?
___ feel afraid?

___ feel ashamed?
___ feel defensive?
___ feel distrustful?
___ feel panicky?
___ act very cautious so as to avoid violence?
___ often fear separation from your partner?
___ feel helplessness?
___ experience flashbacks of prior violent incidents?
___ feel overwhelmed with emotion?
___ feel irritable?
___ become startled easily?
___ feel guilt or over responsibility?

Physical Warning Signs:
Do you…
___ have chronic medical complaints?
___ abuse alcohol?
___ abuse drugs?
___ overeat?
___ have a loss of appetite?
___ have anorexia?
___ have frequent headaches?
___ experience stomach ailments?
___ have high blood pressure?
___ have heart palpitations?
___ have allergic skin reactions?
___ have insomnia?
___ feel chronically fatigued?
___ feel anxious?


Social Warning Signs:
Do you…
___ avoid making eye contact or look down during conversation?
___ feel isolated (few/no friends or family members involved in your life)?
___ make excuses for your partner’s behavior?
___ minimize the assault?
___ deny the seriousness of the assault?
___ often defend your partner?
___ have limited freedom?
___ have to have your partner along if you want to see your friends or family?
___ feel you have to avoid attending school because you've been forbidden to do so?
___ feel alienated?
___ feel vulnerable?
___ feel socially isolation?
___ mistrust and dislike men?
___ feel humiliated?


Family Beliefs and Warning Signs:
Do you…
___ have strong traditional views about family unity?
___ believe in traditional sex/gender roles?
___ have a history of family violence?
___ not participate in decisions about the family?
___ feel bound by love and loyalty?


Self Concept Warning Signs
Do you…
___ have low self-esteem?
___ have a sense of worthlessness?
___ have self-doubt?
___ self-blame?
___ feel incompetent?
___ feel like a failure?
___ have self hatred?


Miscellaneous Warning Signs
Do you…
___ suffer at the hand of your abuser but deny your own anger and terror?
___ have financial difficulties?
___ maintain hope for change despite ongoing violence?
___ have a belief that if you can figure out how to make your partner happy the violence will stop?
___ take responsibility for the violence perpetrated against you?
___ get treated like a child by your partner?
___ not have a car or are forbidden to drive?
___ not work outside of the home?
___ not have any control over home finances?
___ become the subject of ridicule about family and/or friends?
___ often cannot think of a place to go if you left?
___ live in chronic fear?
___ experience decreased job performance?
___ feel trapped?



http://charmeck.org/city/charlotte/...acteristics of Domestic Violence Victims.aspx

But Jodi had these feelings because of her own pathology, not because she was afraid of Travis. Big difference. I hope the jury sees that.

 

[Really?]

Oh no did she just say at the Skye's parents home ????.??

 

[LotusPawprint]

I disagree. I believe it is possible to have a healthy, safe and consensual relationship while participating in the BDSM lifestyle. I do not believe that enjoying such things means someone is "not put together right to begin with." Sure, there are some people who are not mentally stable and should not be in those types of relationships, but it's unfair to assume that about everyone.

Seriously this is ridiculous. I really hope nothing ever happens to me because people would be passing out left and right if they started talking about some of the things I enjoy. :what: Geez, I hope that doesn't mean that someone has the right to brutally murder me.


Frankly, unless someone else has confirmed it, I'm not entirely convinced he did have sex with her! If he did, BFD! IMO there is nothing wrong with enjoying sex. It doesn't make you a bad person. Sex is awesome :rocker:

Thank you! And Amen sister!

As women we're in big trouble with the attitude that we must conform to some conservative, narrow, dated ideas that the few find acceptable. If two adults consent, it's nobody else's business. Women can be dominant and they are. Those who pass judgement on what is immoral and disgusting are creating more problems than allowing for female progress and empowerment. And I'm not even a feminist.

Don't like anal sex. Don't have it. Don't judge two people who do it.

This defendant wasn't sexually violated. She participated. You take the words of her ex's and try piecing together the facts, she is a sexually aggressive woman. Sex was a weapon for her. She's using it as a weapon in this trial. We're not living in the 1950's anymore.

 

[Artisana]

The kind of abuse that justifies a heinous murder, though??

I never said she was justified--I said that it was unrealistic for him to assume that she would politely accept his refusal to see her as marriage material, after all that they did with each other, without any problems.

 

[Wishbone]

She was ashamed of Travis holding a drunk lady but not ashamed of herself for recording her. She does nothing wrong does she.

She was hurt because TA was enjoying the drunk lady’s ample bosoms

 

[Sustained]

Wow. Jodi actually had a job, but she can't remember the name of the business. She can remember the content of texts that she made in 2006.

No she actually can't - it's called improvisation as she knows no one can retrieve the contents of said text messages.

 

[lonetraveler]

Is this drunk lady thing gonna be a long story???? <yawn>

Everything Jodi relates is a long story.:banghead:

 

[gngr~snap]

No I'm starting to understand why. Here are the characteristics of a victim of domestic violence (I will highlight the ones I think thye are trying to prove through her testimony):

Characteristics of Domestic Violence Victims

Emotional Warning Signs:
Do you&#8230;
___ experience depression?
___ have suicidal thoughts?
___ feel emotionally distressed?
___ demonstrate dependency on the relationship?
___ feel afraid?

___ feel ashamed?
___ feel defensive?
___ feel distrustful?
___ feel panicky?
___ act very cautious so as to avoid violence?
___ often fear separation from your partner?
___ feel helplessness?
___ experience flashbacks of prior violent incidents?
___ feel overwhelmed with emotion?
___ feel irritable?
___ become startled easily?
___ feel guilt or over responsibility?

Physical Warning Signs:
Do you&#8230;
___ have chronic medical complaints?
___ abuse alcohol?
___ abuse drugs?
___ overeat?
___ have a loss of appetite?
___ have anorexia?
___ have frequent headaches?
___ experience stomach ailments?
___ have high blood pressure?
___ have heart palpitations?
___ have allergic skin reactions?
___ have insomnia?
___ feel chronically fatigued?
___ feel anxious?


Social Warning Signs:
Do you&#8230;
___ avoid making eye contact or look down during conversation?
___ feel isolated (few/no friends or family members involved in your life)?
___ make excuses for your partner&#8217;s behavior?
___ minimize the assault?
___ deny the seriousness of the assault?
___ often defend your partner?
___ have limited freedom?
___ have to have your partner along if you want to see your friends or family?
___ feel you have to avoid attending school because you've been forbidden to do so?
___ feel alienated?
___ feel vulnerable?
___ feel socially isolation?
___ mistrust and dislike men?
___ feel humiliated?


Family Beliefs and Warning Signs:
Do you&#8230;
___ have strong traditional views about family unity?
___ believe in traditional sex/gender roles?
___ have a history of family violence?
___ not participate in decisions about the family?
___ feel bound by love and loyalty?


Self Concept Warning Signs
Do you&#8230;
___ have low self-esteem?
___ have a sense of worthlessness?
___ have self-doubt?
___ self-blame?
___ feel incompetent?
___ feel like a failure?
___ have self hatred?


Miscellaneous Warning Signs
Do you&#8230;
___ suffer at the hand of your abuser but deny your own anger and terror?
___ have financial difficulties?
___ maintain hope for change despite ongoing violence?
___ have a belief that if you can figure out how to make your partner happy the violence will stop?
___ take responsibility for the violence perpetrated against you?
___ get treated like a child by your partner?
___ not have a car or are forbidden to drive?
___ not work outside of the home?
___ not have any control over home finances?
___ become the subject of ridicule about family and/or friends?
___ often cannot think of a place to go if you left?
___ live in chronic fear?
___ experience decreased job performance?
___ feel trapped?



http://charmeck.org/city/charlotte/...acteristics of Domestic Violence Victims.aspx

Thank you!

Can you high light JODI'S stalker behavior now?

 

[tang]

It's like a Sauna up in here.... No mas pantalones

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[mollyf]

Oh, oh, oh...I forgot something I did before I texted Travis. Nurmi - let's not go there. Even he is getting tired of her babbling :lol:.

Can you imagine going over and over this with her? Talk about needing a drink at 5:13pm Georgia time.

 

[coopzoo]

Generous cleavage? Has she been reading a thesaurus for the past four years?

Sounds more like romance novel fodder.

 

[Candy_Pickletoes]

Dragging this out so there is JUST ENOUGH TIME for the phone sex call. Then bye bye jury for the long weekend. I'm starting to hope the PS call is really long just to stop this drivel!

Exactly what I knew they would do, leave the jury for the weekend with the tape resonating in their brains.

 

[grammieto5]

Any recaps for me? I logged off this morning. Couldn't take it. Specific questions:

1. Has she testified to any actual abuse.
2. Has she covered every single sex act that she and Travis engaged in.
3. Where are they in the chronology of her relationship with Travis?
4. When did they break and for how long is it?

Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he called her Pollyanna :-(