Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #26 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[BritsKate]

I don't see her as a gold digger. I think she was looking for love.

PS - I get that those of you who think that she is pure evil will have a problem with my theory, so flame away.

Because I believe her to be a psychopath I don't believe love ever factored in. Psychopaths do tend to be more materialistic ime than non-disordered people though.

When talking about what attracted my ex to me and how we managed 10 years together I have to say this: I made him look good. Not because I'm particularly pretty, well educated, or rolling in money...but because every good trait about myself he was lacking in himself. Compassion, sensitivity, a deeply strict sense of right and wrong. By extension, in his mind, he had to be good because he was with me and I was good. I was simply part of the illusion he put forth to the rest of the world.

I believe Jodi wanted what Travis had and it extends far beyond love or money. She wanted the respect he'd worked for, the friends he comforted, the relationships he'd nurtured, the success he'd built, the trust he'd earned, the humor that earned the biggest smiles in the room. She wanted the acknowledgement that she must be special because Travis was and by extension, if he was with her...

MOO

 

[ohiogirl]

I've been doing my best to keep up with the boards since JA hit the stand, as I cannot tolerate the mind numbing prattle coming from the courtroom. I was just thinking about the drawings JA has produced since being locked up. Has any of her artwork created BEFORE the murder been sold? Aside from what she did in highschool. I'm just wondering if she pursued art while she was wafting in and out of these relationships.

I know she considered berself a "photographer", but the lions share if her photos are of berself, Travis, orherself and Travis.


My theory is that she did not take herself seriously as an artist until her options were limited by jail. Before that her art was grasping at relationships.

I don't know why I care, I guess I'm eternally shocked that she won't honestly own her behavior out of compassion for Travis' family---and I know I don't believe the "poor , abused, artist-waif" defense.


How would the jury react if she just owned her behavior totally--and said I loved Travis' so much I didn't want him to live if I couldn't have him. O was furious at him for not wanting me, and furious at every girl he had anything to do with. I killed him because I wanted him to suffer like I suffered and I wanted to make it look like two people did it.


If she told the real truth, do you think the jury would show leniency and give her LWP?

Wouldn't that be something? I guess she is going all or nothing with the self defense claim. I am very curious to see the rebuttal case and watch who the prosecutor brings on. It is always interesting when the defendant testifies, although I do find myself pshawing and rolling my eyes a lot. :seeya:

 

[Quester]

I think she's trying to cash in on all of these brand names she tosses around. Reese's peanut butter cups, Crayola crayons...

Please tell me that she hasn't "reached out" to these companies like she did to the Enquirer. Jodi = 'Hey, if your company sends me a case of PB Cups or crayons, I'll mention your brand on the "Jodi Show"
uke:

Jumping off your post:

JA repeatedly referred to crayons as crayolas. I have never heard crayons called crayolas by anyone but JA. [Note: I realize crayola is the brand name.]

Anyone else? TIA

http://www.doverohclassof1984.org/Main/Academics/Classes/Art/Art.html

http://temporary-nest.blogspot.com/2011/01/navy-blueprints.html

Uuhhhh, aahhhhh! Magenta!!!!!

 

[lil_buddy]

How would the jury react if she just owned her behavior totally--and said I loved Travis' so much I didn't want him to live if I couldn't have him. O was furious at him for not wanting me, and furious at every girl he had anything to do with. I killed him because I wanted him to suffer like I suffered and I wanted to make it look like two people did it.


If she told the real truth, do you think the jury would show leniency and give her LWP?

I wonder this too. For sure if she would throw in that she realizes the error and craziness of her thinking (not gonna happen imo)

 

[LambChop]

Quoting the dictionary here. He literally was, portraying himself to his colleagues one way yet living in a contradictory lifestyle. I don't think it's unfair to use that word to describe him.

Definition of HYPOCRITE

1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

I think the issue is that we don't know when and if Travis ever had sex with Jodi. It's just her word and she has no credibility and will try to portray him in a very bad light just to save her life. Her thinking is that Travis is dead, he's happy now and has nothing to worry about so I can say what I want. He would want me to do that. Not saying he didn't have sex with Jodi, just that we cannot trust what she is saying because there is no proof. Some of what she is testifying to could be half truths, the truth or lies. We already know she lies and taking an oath means nothing to her. Lying to a police officer is a crime and yet she had no problem. She could have said at any time that she needed an attorney. Until we know the facts placing a label on Travis as a hypocrite is premature and we do have to remember he's the victim who cannot defend himself. We are obligated to give the defendant the benefit of the doubt so why wouldn't we do the same for the victim.

Until someone speaks for Travis I reserve my judgment. jmol

 

[FrayedKnot]

It's not a harsh judgement. I'm not sure if this is lost in translation or what. Or maybe I have the definition wrong. Or maybe I should slap my English instructor. I don't know, what I do know is I too have grappled with my religion vs what felt good and behaved hypocritical as a result. Many, many, many people have, but thankfully, no one took advantage of me the way Jodi took advantage of Travis. I think he was getting back on track and winning the internal battle and that's why Jodi killed him, because he had the strength of character to overcome his lust.

IMO

I think you have the definition correct.. Travis was having a sexual relationship with Jodi while still making jokes about his being a "30 year old virgin".

Doesn't make him deserving of murder.

Which is why it is not necessary to paint TA as something other than what he was. An regular guy and undeserving victim.

I tell you THIS: when I die, my relatives and loved ones had better not reinvent me and cast me in some perfect light or I swear I will come back and haunt them with my flawed, imperfect ghost arse! Woooooo ooooooo!

 

[minor4th]

Just adding...
Seems like something and NPD person would - denigrate others to reinforce superior image of self

I have observed quite a few BPD's display this particularly ugly trait -- they revel in other people's misfortunes and shortcomings. Somehow it makes them feel better about themselves.

 

[katiecoolady]

OMG I just read my neighborhood is on lockdown! A road rage incident right up the road involving a shooting and the shooter fled and the whole neighborhood is on lockdown! Guess I need to stay in here w/ you guys!

 

[LadyEdith]

Ya know they just might. I dunno though because Juan would line up for them the elements required for the DP. He would literally define cruel, heinous, depraved for them and show them how this crime fits all of that. Then he might play her "I'd beg for the dp" statement. If they find the crime fits the DP then most jurors I think will follow the law like that. Otherwise they are really playing God.

I wonder, because I would give her Life Without Parole for a full confession, where she came clean on everything, because it would spare Travis' family and friends the pain and despair of watching his character be assasinated after his murder, jist so she can "defend" herself.

I' not pro DP, but watching this farce makes me think twice about that, because of all the undue, pointless pain she is causing TA's family.

 

[RadarLuv]

I think you also need to consider where it was mailed from. I learned the hard way that you do NOT mail chocolate from or to AZ any day of the year. lol

Agree. I don't get where it was said that the chocolate melted out of the wrappers. Being a native houstonian, I have had many a instance where those minis have melted, then when inside they will re-solidify, out of shape but perfectly edible. In fact I just had it happen with some Christmas candy.

Not that I believe that she even got them.....but.....

 

[FrayedKnot]

That is so creepy...
On JA's Facebook blog she had a post with many quotes, some from unknown authors others from Jesus, Buddha, etc.. one stuck out to me that she said was from a recent fortune cookie..
"A great pleasure in life is doing what others say you can't." - my most recent fortune cookie.
In a positive application, this would mean accomplishing great things despite adversity... but in a negative light, it could be taking pleasure in doing the unimaginable or the forbidden. Both in the murder, and in her sexual exploits, I find the latter to be applicable to JA.
Doing what others say you can't? Like.. breaking another person's chastity vow?
Doing what others say you can't? Like.. brutally murdering a large man you "love"?
Doing what others say you can't? Like.. lying on the stand??
Just an interesting twist, IMO.

Respectfully, one cannot break another person's vow.

A vow is an oath particular to the person taking it.

 

[elementary]

It's not a harsh judgement. I'm not sure if this is lost in translation or what. Or maybe I have the definition wrong. Or maybe I should slap my English instructor. I don't know, what I do know is I too have grappled with my religion vs what felt good and behaved hypocritical as a result. Many, many, many people have, but thankfully, no one took advantage of me the way Jodi took advantage of Travis. I think he was getting back on track and winning the internal battle and that's why Jodi killed him, because he had the strength of character to overcome his lust.

IMO

I don't think that just doing something at odds with one's proclaimed stance is necessarily hypocritical unless it persists over a long time so that it becomes a character trait. And I've always gotten the impression that a hypocrite is someone who proclaims one thing, does another and basically doesn't care. I don't think moral struggles fall into the category of hypocrisy, although one may question if one is acting hypocritically as part of that struggle.

I wouldn't call Travis a hypocrite. I certainly would call JA a massive hypocrite because she took on the Mormon religion, proclaimed herself Mormon, but really didn't care to try to uphold any of its tenets.

 

[RadarLuv]

Oh, and another thing about the chocolates.....if mailed USPS, how did they just happen to arrive exactly on valentines day. We all know there is no guarantee with USPS. Unless it is overnight delivery, I suppose.

 

[minor4th]

<respectfully snipped>
I don't know why I care, I guess I'm eternally shocked that she won't honestly own her behavior out of compassion for Travis' family---and I know I don't believe the "poor , abused, artist-waif" defense.


How would the jury react if she just owned her behavior totally--and said I loved Travis' so much I didn't want him to live if I couldn't have him. O was furious at him for not wanting me, and furious at every girl he had anything to do with. I killed him because I wanted him to suffer like I suffered and I wanted to make it look like two people did it.


If she told the real truth, do you think the jury would show leniency and give her LWP?

If I were on that jury, I would be so much more inclined to have some compassion and show her more leniency in sentencing if she told the truth and took responsibility. Especially if she expressed some genuine regret and acknowledged the injustice she committed and the pain she has senselessly caused for SO many people.

I do not know that LWP is even an option for a first degree murder conviction in Arizona, and if she did take responsibility and show some genuine remorse and regret, as a jury member I would still not ever want her to be released or even have that possibility. But I would spare her life.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Moo..moo..and more moo.. but I just don't get it why we are even labeling this slaughtered young man with being a hypocrite..

I don't care if he was the biggest hypocrite to have walked across this earth it matters not in that he still is the undeserving victim.. I don't get it unless the opinion is that his being deemed a hypocrite in some way justifies Jodi's having slaughtered him..

I just don't get it because what is there to gain in labeling him such in death when it in no way whatsoever lessens the crime.. let his loved ones choose how they want to remember him..jmo.

 

[zoey]

I've done it before and ended up with a subpeona.

So that would be a no? But on the upside up close and weebit personal with Juan -- but downside the defense

 

[sourgrapes]

I'm sorry but I have to address the "dated for only five months" issue.

The months they "officially" dated are February through June 2007, which would make it only FOUR months and not five!

This is such a pet peeve of mine!

I'm constantly correcting my ten year old daughter with this over-sight (she says 9am to 12pm is 4 hours).

I'm sorry, but we just can't let her take another month of a title she doesn't even deserve.

 

[minor4th]

Word.

Whoa!

 

[LinasK]

I wonder, because I would give her Life Without Parole for a full confession, where she came clean on everything, because it would spare Travis' family and friends the pain and despair of watching his character be assasinated after his murder, jist so she can "defend" herself.

I' not pro DP, but watching this farce makes me think twice about that, because of all the undue, pointless pain she is causing TA's family.

Travis's family has already stated they want the death penalty for her. She cannot plead out at this point and Juan isn't going to offer her LWP. He successfully prosecuted Wendy Andriano in AZ for killing her husband and put her on death row, so why stop now? The family has already been through the worst of it I think.
I used to be anti-DP until killers like these came along, I've since changed my thinking.

 

[Sweetiemom]

Killeen area here, 82 and perfect

78º here in San Antonio-perfect weather!:great: