Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[zoey]

Soggy?

dirty:blushing:

 

[Tracey4AU]

Hehe, "pipsqueak" !! I think it's priceless that the big ones think they are lap dogs and yet my littlest one (6 lb chihuahua) will take on the biggest dog in the room if you get near her food! She is fearless and thinks she about 100 lbs!!

O/T

We have a chihuahua (about 3 lbs.) and a bulldog...about 100 lbs. and the chi is most definitely in charge!! LOL It is too funny to watch.

 

[BritsKate]

I think it's fairly standard protocol for either side to subpoena the phone company directly for the text records - I highly doubt Juan did not get all texts in question directly from Verizon or AT&T or whatever carrier they both used. However, if she "staged" his texts, the carrier would have official record of the texts havin been exchanged and it would "legitimize" her claim.

It's a long shot but I only question it because Travis's speech on te phone was very very different from the texts Jodi is claiming to be from him. "you'll rejoice in being a whose sole purpose in life is to please me any way I desire"

SERIOUSLY!??

That sounds nothing like Travis's blunt basic manner of speech on the phone. It DOES however, sound just like the flowery lengthy wordy email Jody shot off to Lisa Andrews. I'm just seriously contemplating whether the texts were staged just like the sex recording. I just wonder if she sent that to herself from his phone as all part of her big clever meticulous plan?

Because I think Jodi got EXTREME pleasure over each and every meticulous step of planning out her revenge. I just see this as something that she was very proud of herself and she obviously poured hours and hours over. The high school dropout getting the best of the corporate big kahuna.

I couldn't agree more. One of the reasons I'm convinced psychopaths are able to keep victims in a relationship for any length of time is because they do so much evil scheming and cunning manipulation behind your back. They will stoop to things any reasonable person would just never consider because for them there are NO boundaries.

A few months before I split with my ex I was approached by a really nice 'guy' online. I made it very clear I was married. My ex was acting atrociously at the time though - disappearing for whole weekends, withholding money so I was struggling to feed kiddos (I'd quit my job to care for my ailing father), was cheating on me, begged me to have sex with his best friend, and a lot more even worse. Eventually I caved to what seemed a really sweet, understanding soul on the other end of the monitor. I foolishly opened up about how miserable I was and how much I wanted out of my marriage.

The very next day my ex came home with reams of every message and conversation I'd had with this 'guy'. He threatened to kill himself, to kill me, cried for an hour, and went on and on how disappointed my mother (who'd passed away a year earlier) would be in me. How could he ever trust me again - I was a , worthless, a , and he should just leave me. (Bear in mind I'd done no more than tell a 'man' I was unhappy with my husband and why. There wasn't even flirting.) My response, of course, was to try to prove my 'worth' and dampen my ex's anger. He'd had a completely plausible story already concocted on how he'd retrieved those messages and IMs.

After I'd finally left the truth came out. The 'guy' who'd seemed so nice and wormed his way into my life over a few months time was actually my ex, the woman my ex was having an affair with AND my teenage nieces. It was a whole conspiracy to trap me all engineered by my ex. Just so he had a weapon. (They, of course, had believed all the awful things he'd told them about me.) I was totally blindsided. I'm not by nature gullible and I am very hesitant to trust people. The thing is though is nothing really prepares you for a psychopath.

Whoosh. Sorry for the length. :blushing: It's just one example of what extreme, evil machinations these creatures are capable of.

ETA: Karma. Much to my ex's chagrin I did meet a wonderful man, who lived in another country, online. I've been happily married to him four years now. :biggrin: Take that, psycho ex!

 

[Linda7NJ]

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Hey zoey, did you find the links I sent you helpful?


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[nanny1]

What month was it that Jody bought Travis' BMW off of him ??

 

[lil_buddy]

I think it was a huge deal to Travis. The church, not so much. After all, every church is made up of meer mortals and humans make mistakes.

Makes me imagine a scenario where she tried to blackmail in the manner suggested - perhaps threatened to send pics to the bishop. He said "Go ahead" and that fueled her rage.

 

[Zuri]

I've just started reading more but the roommate thing really is strange to me. He was dead in that house for 5 days and no one had a weird feeling that something was off?!? I worked in a nursing home for years and especially at night if someone passed there was this feeling in the air that I can't explain.

I think the "weird feeling" you speak of and additionally the odor of decomposition is "learned" through exposure. I worked for years as an ER nurse. The smell of decomposition is like no other and is recognizable immediately to those of us who have been exposed to it. On other posts, the question was asked to describe the smell. I had to think on that one. Human decomposition odor IMO is more intense that rotting road kill. As for them not noticing, sometimes you don't notice things when you are not looking for them. Who would have thought that someone would hurt TA in his own home?

 

[Stolat]

Slightly OT- many, if not most, carriers only keep texts for a limited amount of time. I think Verizon keeps them 3 days. Depending on who the carriers were, the texts may have been gone by the time Travis was found.

In cases where the carrier doesn't have preserved texts, you can have a forensic person recover them from the actual cell phones.

I'm not sure where you heard it was 3 days - Florida subpoena'd Casey Anthony's records far later than that. Three days may be what's available to the customer but a court could get them to go back much further than that.

 

[PASA]

JA talks about a lot of things... that proves nothing to me.

It would be a pretty striking coincidence for any scratches to be at the exact same angle as the shower water - the shadows of which extend beyond Travis' back...

But who knows. If they are scratches, they're pretty tame, and hot water could make them more visible... I just don't see any scratches myself , < -- fallible human.

I think it's a reflection of the water droplets and the color cast of the low lighting in the bathroom.
The first time I saw it I thought there were scratches, but upon looking more closely it looks like weird lighting/poor quality photo.

Moo :moo::moo:

 

[borndem]

OT There's a case on the news right this minute where a woman is getting fired from a christian college for having pre-marital sex. :what: Her bf worked there and wasn't fired. They have since married. Gloria Allred is their attorney.

Even if the school may be a private, non-gov't-funded institution, can't the woman sue them for discrimination?? I mean the glaring type. <smh> What kind of Christian school is this? Fired her, not him, my azz. Grrrrrr.

Go get 'em, Gloria!!! :furious:

 

[Vresia]

I've wondered if Travis really did have sex with JA before she murdered him. Where is the prove this happened? Could Travis have been taking a shower when JA showed up.

There would be evidence of recent ejaculation found during the autopsy. Given that Travis showered, they may not be able to tell the circumstances of ejaculation, but they would be able to tell that he recently had.

 

[zoey]

Hehe, "pipsqueak" !! I think it's priceless that the big ones think they are lap dogs and yet my littlest one (6 lb chihuahua) will take on the biggest dog in the room if you get near her food! She is fearless and thinks she about 100 lbs!!

Our first pug took on a 100 plus golden lab----our current pug (female-small) has tried to take on a male great dane---our golden receiver was fearful of both (sadly we put her down July :candle::anguish::tears

 

[minor4th]

Rule 3.3—Candor to Tribunal


(a) A lawyer shall not knowingly:
(1) Make a false statement of fact or law to a tribunal or fail to correct a false statement of material fact or law previously made to the tribunal by the lawyer, unless correction would require disclosure of information that is prohibited by Rule 1.6;
(2) Counsel or assist a client to engage in conduct that the lawyer knows is criminal or fraudulent, but a lawyer may discuss the legal consequences of any proposed course of conduct with a client and may counsel or assist a client to make a good-faith effort to determine the validity, scope, meaning, or application of the law;
(3) Fail to disclose to the tribunal legal authority in the controlling jurisdiction not disclosed by opposing counsel and known to the lawyer to be dispositive of a question at issue and directly adverse to the position of the client; or
(4) Offer evidence that the lawyer knows to be false, except as provided in paragraph (b). A lawyer may refuse to offer evidence, other than the testimony of a defendant in a criminal matter, that the lawyer reasonably believes is false.

(b) When the witness who intends to give evidence that the lawyer knows to be false is the lawyer’s client and is the accused in a criminal case, the lawyer shall first make a good-faith effort to dissuade the client from presenting the false evidence; if the lawyer is unable to dissuade the client, the lawyer shall seek leave of the tribunal to withdraw. If the lawyer is unable to dissuade the client or to withdraw without seriously harming the client, the lawyer may put the client on the stand to testify in a narrative fashion, but the lawyer shall not examine the client in such manner as to elicit testimony which the lawyer knows to be false, and shall not argue the probative value of the client’s testimony in closing argument.
(c) The duties stated in paragraph (a) continue to the conclusion of the proceeding.

http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/et...onduct/amended_rules/rule_three/rule03_03.cfm

Here is the corresponding Arizona rule:

ER 3.3. Candor Toward the Tribunal

(a) A lawyer shall not knowingly:

(1) make a false statement of fact or law to a tribunal or fail to correct a false statement of material fact or law previously made to the tribunal by the lawyer;

(2) fail to disclose to the tribunal legal authority in the controlling jurisdiction known to the lawyer to be directly adverse to the position of the client and not disclosed by opposing counsel; or

(3) offer evidence that the lawyer knows to be false. If a lawyer, the lawyer's client or a witness called by the lawyer has offered material evidence and the lawyer comes to know of its falsity, the lawyer shall take reasonable remedial measures, including, if necessary, disclosure to the tribunal. A lawyer may refuse to offer evidence, other than the testimony of a defendant in a criminal matter, that the lawyer reasonably believes is false.
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Nurmi must offer Jodi's testimony, even if he reasonably believes it is false. To do otherwise would be a violation of his professional responsibility and his duty of loyalty to his client and zealous advocacy.

Only if he knows the testimony or evidence is false is he prohibited from eliciting or offering it.

 

[Lilly12]

I think I finally got the toilet paper remark-- she felt used.

 

[BritsKate]

Hey zoey, did you find the links I sent you helpful?


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:what: It's not September? :waitasec:


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[popsicle]

How does a used piece of toilet paper feel? Anyone know.

I don't. My toilet paper won't answer me! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Stolat]

Regarding the shower shots and the reflection...

Here are some images I grabbed off Google. The photographer is roughly same position (center or off-left) as Jodi was, and as you can see in none of these photos the photographer's reflection is shown far off to the right as it has been suggested on the board here. I just don't see it possible. But that's just my thoughts.

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[TotallyObsessed]

When that part of the tape came, she looked up and looked sad for a minute. Here her sister has been supporting her ridiculous claims and there she is stabbing her in the back like its nothing. Her sister looked hurt as well. To rehabilitate herself to the jury she had to disclose her sisters business. I believe she meant exactly what she said about her sister. Also, she talked about Travis making fun of her brother for being gay (I don't buy it) Jodi testified about a gay man warning a girlfriend that jodi was coming to confront her, she made a negative comment about his response and attributed it to him being gay..

How would Travis know about Jodi's brother's sexual orientation? Did Travis even meet her family? The only way travis would know about her brother is if she told him, and by the way she described the gay man I don't think it was nice. She talks badly about others.

I was very confused about the "your brother is gay because his name is Carl" statement. Huh? Just because of his name?

And it was quite obvious to me that the very next day JA MADE Nurmi re-question her about the statements on that tape about her "dumb" sister just so she could "clear it up" and make amends with her sister in open court.

Sickening. :banghead:

 

[Lulu67]

LOL, this is probably where she got the idea of 'feeling like toilet paper.' Or was it 'used toilet paper?'

JMHO
fran

LOL :floorlaugh:

 

[Sleuth13]

When that part of the tape came, she looked up and looked sad for a minute. Here her sister has been supporting her ridiculous claims and there she is stabbing her in the back like its nothing. Her sister looked hurt as well. To rehabilitate herself to the jury she had to disclose her sisters business. I believe she meant exactly what she said about her sister. Also, she talked about Travis making fun of her brother for being gay (I don't buy it) Jodi testified about a gay man warning a girlfriend that jodi was coming to confront her, she made a negative comment about his response and attributed it to him being gay..

How would Travis know about Jodi's brother's sexual orientation? Did Travis even meet her family? The only way travis would know about her brother is if she told him, and by the way she described the gay man I don't think it was nice. She talks badly about others.

I missed that about TA calling her brother gay, but I agree that if it was said he learned of it from her. She's incredible!!! Her entire family is there to support her (altho it seems some may not really want to be there) and she continues to throws each and every one of them under the bus!!!!!