Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[oceanblueeyes]

Not a single shred of of any kind was ever found on his computer, right?

Nope none. Juan even asked the expert if he found just plain photos of women's naked breast and he said 'no.'

Nothing found in his home anywhere either.

She is going to pay dearly for accusing her victim of this dispicable thing.:furious:

 

[LambChop]

Right. And I just think it's pretty preposterous to think a medical examiner is going to come to his scientific conclusions based on the state's theory or the state's sentencing anticipation.

IMO, if the ME was going to be a yes man for the state, it would have been better for him to conclude that the gunshot was first because that's what the detective had been saying all along, and that is actually easier to understand. He didn't come to that conclusion, however, because it is not what he believes from his examination.

I think the ME's conclusions are based solely on his scientific evaluation of Travis' body and wounds. I still happen to think the gunshot was first because that is the only way I can get my mind around it, but I do not take issue with the ME or think he had any agenda other than to testify truthfully about his scientifici conclusions.

I think Flores was locked into the gunshot first because that is what Jodi told him and it sounded reasonable at the time. When she was talking about the ninja woman she made a slip and said "I was" so I can see Flores believing she was telling the story as it happened but that she was portraying herself as a victim of the two intruders. Gunshot first or stab to the heart, judge ruled it did not matter what happened afterwards was cruel and DP stands. jmo

 

[Really?]

Um. Not on here. Maybe on another forum but definitely, not here. Please link if I am mistaken.

I read that here, but, they were being sarcastic. IMO

 

[panthera]

Thank goodness Flores is a detective and never went to school to be a ME.

That is why we have knowledgable professional MEs who know so much more than just making assumptions.

IMO

I noticed Mark Fuhrman said the same thing on FoxNews. Maybe it is due to multiple weapons being used? In other words, uncommon for a perp to start with a knife and switch to a handgun? I believe there was also some speculation the gun may have jammed after the first shot, therefore the knife became the weapon that actually killed Travis.

Personally I cannot see how the bullet casing ended up on top of the blood pool unless the gun was used AFTER Travis had been stabbed and dragged back into the shower.

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[BritsKate]

Not a single shred of of any kind was ever found on his computer, right?

Not that we know of. I'm pretty certain the defense would have been skywriting it if there were.

Um. Not on here. Maybe on another forum but definitely, not here. Please link if I am mistaken.

No, that HAS been discussed here. Jodi's pretty much alluded to it in her own testimony. She was selflessly sacrificing her own body to 'help' Travis. Hence the discussion.

 

[L84tea]

I have to admit I actually had PPL in the past BUT had no clue where it originated, etc. I actually know many people who had it. No, I am not Mormon.

Ok...my secret is out...don't throw tomatoes...and please don't mail me any pamphlets you find at the mall!

Lol u have nothing to be ashamed of! I just didn't know if it was like a pyramid scheme or pampered chef! Sounds like a good deal actually.

 

[SoBeCzar]

My Opinion: When Travis made the remark - that Jodi sounded like a 12 year old girl on the phone sex tape....I think Travis was letting Jodi know: He thought she was performing a very "immature/childish" fake orgamism; and she wasn't fooling him.

In no way was Travis indicating he was interested in underage girls, sexually. MOO

Oh how I would love Juan to throw that one at her. lol

 

[minor4th]

BBM

This is what I thought as well.

Come on Lawyers....what would you call this ??

The only thing I can come up with is mitigating the damages. Is this correct ?

Mitigating damages is a civil law concept

But the question was whether Jodi would have a duty to retreat once she incapacitated him enough to get away -- and the answer is yes, according to Arizona's self defense/justification laws.

So, let's say Travis lunged at her and she had a reasonable fear that Travis was going to kill her ...and let's say she stabbed him first in the chest, and he went down, tried to defend himself with his hands and tried to grab the knife, but was unable to stand or pursue Jodi; once she has incapacitated him to a point that he no longer presents a threat of killing her, then she is no longer justified in using deadly force. She can't stick around and shoot him in the head and slash his throat, just to make sure he is good and dead.

 

[Isabelle]

I was wondering whether the ME's report includes information that constrains the State to a stabbed-first theory. If not, I think the State went with it for DP and I think it could hurt them in the case as it stands now - dp is on the table no matter what and premeditation is with a gun.

And, actually, yes. I think if the ME can ethically support the State's case, he will. He was equivocal, and properly so, imo

The ME's opinion that the stabbing came first was because the shot to the head would have impaired TA's ability to fight her off, but defensive wounds prove otherwise.

 

[Really?]

I noticed Mark Fuhrman said the same thing on FoxNews. Maybe it is due to multiple weapons being used? In other words, uncommon for a perp to start with a knife and switch to a handgun? I believe there was also some speculation the gun may have jammed after the first shot, therefore the knife became the weapon that actually killed Travis.

Personally I cannot see how the bullet casing ended up on top of the blood pool unless the gun was used AFTER Travis had been stabbed and dragged back into the shower.

:waitasec:

MOO

The casing was ejected after the murder during the clean up?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Their myspace pages are eerily nearly identical as well. I think Jodi also wanted to appear to Travis as intellectual, articulate, intelligent and sophisticated.

I read her blog though and am left with WTF?!?! :waitasec: Her writing obviously surpasses my critical thinking capabilities.

People like Jodi totally consume their victims.

Its like they eat/digest their lives and become a part of them in their evil minds.

It is a trait of not only a sociopath but a female stalker as well.

IMO

 

[DAWN TREADER]

I always thought that was because she took her bloody clothes out in the desert and burned them.

Yes, me too.

 

[katydid23]

Not a single shred of of any kind was ever found on his computer, right?

Correct.

And some pro-Jodi supporters use that now as evidence in her favor, saying he cleared out all of the because he was afraid she was going to report him. So now she's a hero? :waitasec:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The casing was ejected after the murder during the clean up?

Its a semi-automatic. It ejects when fired. I use to have a .25 caliber.

IMO

 

[StephanieHartPI]

If they happened upon this crime scene after shot fired, 911 call, Jodi escapes to Utah. Blood would be fresh, body warm and my guess "certain" details would change. I think overall it is what it is and I'm glad to see that some indicated the M.E. didn't conclude on the report exactly what came first, chicken or the egg. (even if he did give some verbal answer when asked) The report would be interesting and full of his factual findings on the body.

Now if only Travis could send a message. I know I know, those things don't happen, but I want a sign of some kind.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Not a single shred of of any kind was ever found on his computer, right?

I think JM has stated such, that 2 Mesa officers found nothing. Nada! Nothing in his computer nor in his house! Hopefully they will be testifying to this matter. Soon.

 

[panthera]

Well, yes! And he doesn't keep any pics or anything to use at a later time!

:floorlaugh: and :banghead:

That would be a first. My understanding is most who have computers and Internet access have tons of child on them.

Honestly this lie of hers just may assure her a cell on DR.

:furious:

MOO

 

[minor4th]

Somebody on here was proposing that JA would proclaim that she was a hero, selflessly sacrificing her body to keep TA from forcing himself on innocent children. I can totally see that psycho trying to pull off a story like that.

She did testify to that. She said she was engaging in sex with him to help him with his sexual problems and make him more normal. :what::what::what:

 

[SkiptomyLu]

Originally Posted by minor4th
She's still really, really pissed at him and still wants to hurt him. Aside from being pissed that he rejected her, she's pissed that he "made her" kill him.

IMO IMO IMO IMO

Oh i do see that. When she describes how "the lady assailant" was doing this scolding in a stern loud whisper, I picture Jodi pretty mad he won't die, she is following him along as he is pleading for her to go get the neighbor and she is yelling SHHHHH!!! and then another stab, back of the neck, then another, in the back. I can't quite place when he got turned around and she dragged him back to the shower. She sounds astounded that was still "conscious" although much weaker..

Definitely can picture her all pissy.

ITA ITA ITA - She is STILL in the act!

 

[lil_buddy]

Um. Not on here. Maybe on another forum but definitely, not here. Please link if I am mistaken.

You want me to link to half-joking speculation?