Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Pink Panther]

There was a red rental car she was to use to leave her grandparents house at the time of her arrest.

LE obtained a search warrant and recovered boxes of books and two knives. They did not find another gun at that time. Later, they traced the rental car and located, ostensibly on information from her mother, a 9mm handgun which was hidden in the rental car but which LE did not find upon executing the initial, warranted search. I do not know what she was going to do with them.

They were probably intended as lines of defense from the make-believe ninjas.

Was this information allowed in? Will JM be able to ask about it?

 

[Frigga]

There was a red rental car she was to use to leave her grandparents house at the time of her arrest.

LE obtained a search warrant and recovered boxes of books and two knives. They did not find another gun at that time. Later, they traced the rental car and located, ostensibly on information from her mother, a 9mm handgun which was hidden in the rental car but which LE did not find upon executing the initial, warranted search. I do not know what she was going to do with them.

They were probably intended as lines of defense from the make-believe ninjas.

There was one other person besides Travis who had her tires slashed and had received a threatening email as well- Mimi.

I think Mimi was next on JA list of intended murder victims.

 

[nursebeeme]

does anyone recall what document the arrest info was in (re: the search of her mom's house and the gun, etc?)

I have read way too much on this case and cannot recall which document it is in (it is not in the flores report)

tia

 

[Zuri]

There was a red rental car she was to use to leave her grandparents house at the time of her arrest.

LE obtained a search warrant and recovered boxes of books and two knives. They did not find another gun at that time. Later, they traced the rental car and located, ostensibly on information from her mother, a 9mm handgun which was hidden in the rental car but which LE did not find upon executing the initial, warranted search. I do not know what she was going to do with them.

They were probably intended as lines of defense from the make-believe ninjas.

Who did the 9mm belong to? Is that the one she bought legally? Or do I have this all wrong. Also, why was it hidden? I am hazy on this part. TIA

 

[katydid23]

Unfortunately I think that is why we've had to hear/read about her whole boring life. I think the DV expert who will be testifying for the defense later will say... she was abused by her mother who beat her with a spoon, she was abused by her father who hit her, abused by her other boyfriends and then debased by TA, and when TA attempted to physically abuse her in the bathroom that day for dropping the camera poor poor Jodi just snapped. She then killed him enough for everybody or some such nonsense. MOO

So far, imo, we have been given zero evidence of her being in fear for her life. Even the discussion about her childhood seems pretty normal. Her mom used a wooden spoon to smack her when she misbehaved, and her dad slapped her twice when she stayed out all night at 16. That doesn't sound that horribly abusive. I bet there are jurors sitting there that endured much worse. JMO

The same thing with her attempt to make Travis out as an evil disgusting abuser. She has, instead, painted a picture of herself as a willing partner who goes along with all of his dirty requests. I hope the jury remembers the image of her dressed as a naughty schoolgirl, with no undies, going out to buy pop rocks and a ring for her lover. Compare and contrast to the meek witness on the stand saying she is embarrassed to say the word 'penis'.

That goofy guy singing the National Anthem all off key did not sound like a scary bully on that tape. JMO

 

[FrayedKnot]

There was one other person besides Travis who had her tires slashed and had received a threatening email as well- Mimi.

I think Mimi was next on JA list of intended murder victims.

I think JA was fully prepared to find Mimi there that night and kill them both. JA seemed totally surprised to find out that TA and Mimi were not headed for the altar.

 

[panthera]

After listening to the blood analysis, there was a sock print, a shoe print, and a bare foot print. Do we know who they may have belonged to? Or I should ask has it been confirmed who they belonged to? Also, there was testimony that there had been attempts to clean up. There was water evidence on the underside of the bath mat and rug. That whole thing bothers me. Why would you clean up if it was self defense. Rhetorical I know.

It is not only attempting to clean up, but fleeing the scene, not reporting the incident, disposing of the weapons and/or other evidence which puts her at the crime scene. Then when being questioned by LE, knowing it wasn't self-defense and trying to distance herself from the crime by initially claiming she wasn't even there, followed by another scenario (when confronted with evidence she was there) that it was a home invasion and she had the opportunity to flee (with her purse, of course) while leaving Travis behind to die. And finally when we get to trial, it's now self-defense.

:doh:

MOO

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Jodi's mum confuses me, it seems she at times has acted in assisting Jodi to escape charges and has been disruptive during the trial, and yet she has also given information to the police against Jodi .. Is she really swapping sides continuously or is she 100% team Jodi yet intimidated by the police when it comes down to it?

 

[DenverClipper]

I found this perusing through the court minutes. I thought it interesting to see the initial theory from the State and Detective Flores with the gun shot to the head being the first wound. I recommend reading the entire document as it is very informative as to the charges:

CR2008-031021-001 DT
08/18/2009
Cruelty
SUPERIOR COURT OF ARIZONA MARICOPA COUNTY
A first degree murder is “especially cruel” if the victim suffers physical pain or mental
anguish and the defendant knew or should have known that the victim would suffer. State v.
McCray, 218 Ariz. 252, 259, ¶31, 183 P.3d 503, 510 (2008). To establish this aggravating factor, the State does not need to prove that the victim was conscious for “each and every wound inflicted.” State v. Sansing, 206 Ariz. 232, 235, ¶10, 77 P.3d 30, 34 (2003). Physical pain may be found where a conscious victim physically suffered for at least a short period of time. State v. William Herrera, Jr., 176 Ariz. 21, 859 P.2d 131 (1993) (finding victim was lying on the ground with a gash in his head for at least 18 seconds and possibly as much as two to three minutes).
The State presented evidence that the victim was first shot on the right side of his head near his eye with a .25 caliber handgun and that the bullet lodged in his left cheek. This wound was not fatal and may or may not have rendered the victim unconscious. The victim did not remain unconscious based on the infliction of the other wounds and the location of blood spatter evidence in the bathroom sink and blood in the hallway. In addition, the defendant told the police that the victim was unconscious after being shot but then crawled around and was stabbed.
The victim was then stabbed 27 times in the back, shoulders, head and chest. Cuts on the hands were defensive wounds from grabbing the knife. With the exception of two wounds, these wounds were not fatal. The two fatal wounds were a deep stab wound to the chest and then a cut across the throat. While conscious, the victim would have felt pain and mental anguish associated with these multiple wounds.
The Court finds that the State has proved that there is probable cause to believe that the offense was especially cruel under the theory that it involved both physical and mental suffering of the victim.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082009/m3846408.pdf

That's a great find! Interesting indeed.

 

[AZlawyer]

In fact if she just came up and shot him in the head and he was ambulatory wouldnt he have a legal right to defend himself from his attacker? Does the self defense rule just apply to Jodi or is it equally applied to Travis who was in his own home taking a shower while being attacked?

tia

BBM

Oh, definitely.

Agreed. It will be interesting to see how she will try to twist her information around to suit the photographs + self-defence.

ETA - Wasn't the Defence upset about the fact that the ME testified that the gun shot was not first?

BBM

Yes. IMO they are hoping that, even if the jury decides it was an intentional murder, they will spare her from the death penalty because she had hoped to do it "humanely."

 

[Truth Detector]

Not a coroner, but I do have some knowledge so I hope this helps. Decomp does occur at different rates. Solid organs like the liver decompose more slowly. Tissue samples are generally taken from all the organs as they are taken out and examined. Although the body may have obvious injuries that would appear to be cause of death, the tissues are examined for toxins like poison. Depending on the organ being examined, the sampling technique may vary, meaning punch needle vs. scalpel etc. hope this helps. I will run this past a path guy on Monday to be sure.

No need to go out of your way, but thanks.

It's irrelevant in this case, but still useful information. I'm the curious sort; always trying to learn all I can.

Someone else mentioned pleural fluid.

But, as you say, I had assumed that ETOH concentrations resulting from decomposition would likely vary by collection site. I could not imagine that the rates of decomposition (much like fermentation in organic substances) would be uniform throughout the corpse.

What I still don't know without more fully understanding the mechanisms, is to what degrees (e.g., ranges of variance) we should expect them to vary and why.

 

[JaimeInLA]

I'll be back later, friends. I have to run over to the mall to pick up some pedophilia pamphlets.

 

[Truth Detector]

Was this information allowed in? Will JM be able to ask about it?

I saw none of the Prosecution's presentation, so I'll defer to those here who did.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I'll be back later, friends. I have to run over to the mall to pick up some pedophilia pamphlets.

:floorlaugh:

Could you pick us up a Toblerone or some Pop Rocks while you're there?

 

[katydid23]

I found this perusing through the court minutes. I thought it interesting to see the initial theory from the State and Detective Flores with the gun shot to the head being the first wound. I recommend reading the entire document as it is very informative as to the charges:

CR2008-031021-001 DT
08/18/2009
Cruelty
SUPERIOR COURT OF ARIZONA MARICOPA COUNTY
A first degree murder is “especially cruel” if the victim suffers physical pain or mental
anguish and the defendant knew or should have known that the victim would suffer. State v.
McCray, 218 Ariz. 252, 259, ¶31, 183 P.3d 503, 510 (2008). To establish this aggravating factor, the State does not need to prove that the victim was conscious for “each and every wound inflicted.” State v. Sansing, 206 Ariz. 232, 235, ¶10, 77 P.3d 30, 34 (2003). Physical pain may be found where a conscious victim physically suffered for at least a short period of time. State v. William Herrera, Jr., 176 Ariz. 21, 859 P.2d 131 (1993) (finding victim was lying on the ground with a gash in his head for at least 18 seconds and possibly as much as two to three minutes).
The State presented evidence that the victim was first shot on the right side of his head near his eye with a .25 caliber handgun and that the bullet lodged in his left cheek. This wound was not fatal and may or may not have rendered the victim unconscious. The victim did not remain unconscious based on the infliction of the other wounds and the location of blood spatter evidence in the bathroom sink and blood in the hallway. In addition, the defendant told the police that the victim was unconscious after being shot but then crawled around and was stabbed.
The victim was then stabbed 27 times in the back, shoulders, head and chest. Cuts on the hands were defensive wounds from grabbing the knife. With the exception of two wounds, these wounds were not fatal. The two fatal wounds were a deep stab wound to the chest and then a cut across the throat. While conscious, the victim would have felt pain and mental anguish associated with these multiple wounds.
The Court finds that the State has proved that there is probable cause to believe that the offense was especially cruel under the theory that it involved both physical and mental suffering of the victim.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082009/m3846408.pdf

BBM

There goes her self defense claim if this is her version of the story. Once he was briefly unconscious, she had plenty of time to flee and call 911 and report his attack on her and her defensive actions.

 

[Truth Detector]

There was one other person besides Travis who had her tires slashed and had received a threatening email as well- Mimi.

I think Mimi was next on JA list of intended murder victims.

Surely not; after all, the email was sent from one "John Doe".

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Check out the list of characters and traits here .. JA did nearly all these things to Travis ...

 

[popsicle]

does anyone recall what document the arrest info was in (re: the search of her mom's house and the gun, etc?)

I have read way too much on this case and cannot recall which document it is in (it is not in the flores report)

tia

I think it was a HLN or HuffPo article.

 

[Frigga]

During this lull, I am re-watching and rereading things. This video I really think should be the last thing the jurors see right after being shown every one of his autopsy photos and the clip of her saying, "no jury will convict me because I am innocent."

To anyone here that still doesn't believe it has been proven that Jodi Arias is a psychopath, I say tell that to me after you watch this video- knowing exactly what she did to Travis!

This is from our very own talented TigerBalm:

[video=youtube;vwMMkvozT_o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwMMkvozT_o[/video]

 

[Truth Detector]

As she did. However, palm print had hers and Travis blood

Yes, as ridiculous as it may seem, the evidence against her is so overwhelming that we may see yet a fourth recounting of the events that fateful day.

It will involve dangerous sex with a knife and a gun. It will go horribly wrong, and Miss Arias will explain that, in effect, due to her great love for Travis and her own personal selflessness, she was forced to act on his behalf, and at his request, in order to hasten his 'accidental' demise.