jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 9TH DAY #48 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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I think Juan was doing a couple things yesterday. I think he was setting boundaries with her and also letting her know he is in control.

One thing I noticed (and it scared me to see) was her acclimatizing to Juan. And at some point I think she will mimic him too.

Its fascinating and creepy to see a true sociopath at work.

Just as Jodi has always done, she mold herself and that what she has done with Juan IMO. Juan expected all this and I feel hoped it would go this way. He was prepared for her not to recall things and ready with the tape phone conversation and records and so on. He has her number, she thinks she is so wity and smart but in reality she is incapable of having normal emotions, otherwise she would be acting frail and intimidated but it's more important for her to beat Juan and it won't happen JMO
 
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~bbm

I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you mean reviewing the testimony that Juan was asking her about, he would have to have expected that. SOP.


If you are telling the truth, then you would not need to review your testimony from the day before!
 
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I'm so glad Juan brought up the finger issue early, though the picture he used was a bit ambiguous. More importantly was him reminding the jury of what Jodi told Flores concerning this left finger. He got her to admit that she gave at least two different accounts about how this injury was sustained and that no one knew about it until AFTER Travis's murder. Another important and damaging point was her journal which made no mention of this event with Travis that caused the injury. As she said, nothing noteworthy happened on that day. And it's not like she was living with him or bound to him financially. She was SINGLE, living with someone else, and yet zero mention of this in her personal diary.

Sure she'll make up some lame excuse ("I took my diary everywhere", "Travis liked to look at it on occasion", etc) but taken together, one can only conclude that she is lying about the finger.

I agree the photo of the finger drew attention but was not nearly as compelling as her testifying that she changed her story about her finger 3 different times. It will remind the jury that she changed her murder story 3 different times too. Subtle but effective.
 
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TA was not the only one she had anal sex with as evidenced by Abe last night on TV. He also said that the JA we saw on the stand yesterday was the real JA, not the innocent little girl that she has been trying to portray since the trial started.

What did Abe say?
 
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I'm so glad Juan brought up the finger issue early, though the picture he used was a bit ambiguous. More importantly was him reminding the jury of what Jodi told Flores concerning this left finger. He got her to admit that she gave at least two different accounts about how this injury was sustained and that no one knew about it until AFTER Travis's murder. Another important and damaging point was her journal which made no mention of this event with Travis that caused the injury. As she said, nothing noteworthy happened on that day. And it's not like she was living with him or bound to him financially. She was SINGLE, living with someone else, and yet zero mention of this in her personal diary.

Sure she'll make up some lame excuse ("I took my diary everywhere", "Travis liked to look at it on occasion", etc) but taken together, one can only conclude that she is lying about the finger.

Also, jodi wrote a very long journal that day "with her LEFT hand". I'd think if that finger were broken she'd have a difficult time writing with a popsicle stick splint
 
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I'm so glad Juan brought up the finger issue early, though the picture he used was a bit ambiguous. More importantly was him reminding the jury of what Jodi told Flores concerning this left finger. He got her to admit that she gave at least two different accounts about how this injury was sustained and that no one knew about it until AFTER Travis's murder. Another important and damaging point was her journal which made no mention of this event with Travis that caused the injury. As she said, nothing noteworthy happened on that day. And it's not like she was living with him or bound to him financially. She was SINGLE, living with someone else, and yet zero mention of this in her personal diary.

Sure she'll make up some lame excuse ("I took my diary everywhere", "Travis liked to look at it on occasion", etc) but taken together, one can only conclude that she is lying about the finger.

Re: BBM

I am having nightmares about the "Fickle Finger of Fate" being wagged in my face. :floorlaugh:
 
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I know this is a little off topic, but I've only been following this case for about 2 weeks [the beginning of Jodi's testimony]. I knew a little about the case when I began watching her on the stand and considered her guilty, but, when I saw her testifying, I was struck by how innocent and sweet she seemed. This caused me initially to question whether she had been justified in doing what she did. I've since studied enough to understand that this is not the case, imo.

However, one thing that I wanted to ask about are the pictures taken that day and found in the camera. Those pictures are telling a story. There is the story that Jodi wants us to believe [an afternoon of sex and sexy pictures in the shower that suddenly went bad] and the real story--whether it's that or something else.

So here's my question. Two pictures from the afternoon of sex--one shows Travis lying on the bed making a peace sign. One shows Jodi lying on the bed naked in braids. Neither one is smiling or looking particularly happy, although Jodi might look smug.

In the Travis peace sign picture, take a look at his face. He looks very distressed. My question is why is he making a peace sign? Is this a message to his friends who will later view the picture? Is this a message to Jodi who is taking the picture? It just seems very odd, particularly given the look on his face.

Who took the picture of Jodi in braids? I believe she took that herself with the automatic timer. Again, she is not smiling or seeming to be interacting in any way with a lover behind the camera. I believe there was no one behind the camera, only a timer.

Now to the shower pictures. First, again, Travis looks very distressed to me in every picture. In a couple, he looks like he is praying [head down eyes closed]. I believe he was on his knees or sitting down in all those pictures. Without going through them one by one, you will see in many of those pictures, the photographer [Jodi] is standing above him. The picture is clearly being taken from above. In others, she is clearly squatting down [which she admitted, btw] to take them from way below him, but he has not moved--he is still in the same kneeling or sitting position.

Now, my question is--who kneels or sits down in a stand up shower of that sort? Not only is there no reason to do it, it would be down right uncomfortable. Given this, and the look on his face in each picture, I believe he was being forced to assume those positions by someone holding a weapon on him.

In one of the shower pictures, he has both hands pressed in front of his chest. Two of the fingers on his left hand, although folded, seemed to me to be purposely raised above the rest--again, in a truncated peace sign. Again, I thought --is he trying to send a message to those who would view these pictures? It almost reminded me of prisoners of war who are forced to testify against their country but send a contradictory message in hand gestures.

Can anyone tell me--has there been this type of discussion about these pictures, either on the board or in the trial? Has there been any explanation for them [other than Jodi's self serving one]? Has anyone else commented on the incongruity of the peace sign with the look on his face?

Is there anyone who thinks,-- he did not know she was going to show up that day, she walked in on him with a weapon at 4am, and held him hostage until she killed him?

I have been looking and looking at those pictures, and the feeling that I get from them is that I am looking at a hostage situation. It gives me the creeps.

I wish I could ask Travis' friends, did he ever make the peace sign when he was having his picture taken?
 
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Agree!
I'm curious if anyone else sees anything significant in that she "chose" the marital ring finger to have this devastating injury? I personally do not believe it was ever broken/injured to the extent she plays but for some reason the fact that it is the finger one wears their wedding band on seems significant to me regarding her psychology.


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I am way behind in pages sorry this will probably land in some other discussion.

I think its her left hand because she is left handed and probably the hand she held the knife in. In the interview with Detective Flores she stated it was the ring finger and pinky. If she is holding a knife with the blade pointed down. While stabbing Travis repeatedly there will be a lot of blood which makes the knife incredibly slippery her hand would slide down the handle onto the blade. Causing her cuts to her pinky and ring finger.
At least that is how I think it happened. I think I probably watch to much true crime and csi type of shows. LOL
 
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If a defendant is caught in a lie, the rule should be they go right to the Death Penalty with no appeal. This would be a motivator to tell the truth, and dramatically shorten Trials.

So did you dye your hair or not? And is it worth your life to lie about it? You jumped up like superwoman and found a gun in the attic cocked and loaded? really?

You shot him in the face and he proceeded to run and chase you calling you names for 10 minutes?
 
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Actually, Jodi's own behavior undid the "battered woman" theory better than any evidence Juan could present. Her demeanor revealed that she is nobody's pushover. There's no way the jury could have missed it.

Under JM, she pulled back the curtain all the way: Jodi's demureness is all a big act. At one point, she acted so superior and condescending that she had to tilt her head down while stifling a LOL at JM. No fear here, folks.

That said, I could totally see someone wanting to kick the ish out of Jodi Arias. She constantly pushed her parents over the edge with her attitude and insulting lies. She did everything it would take to push TA over the edge as well. She's lucky he didn't snap and get her first.

Watching the replay this morning, I couldn't stop thinking about her parents. Imagine her father confronting this when she sneaks in at 5:00 AM after having snuck out despite being grounded and staying out all night with her friends. If all her dad did was shove her, I'd say he was very restrained. I have no doubt she was a defiant, insolent, disrespectful child and teenager. The apparent physical vulnerability shouldn't fool anyone. She's not a pushover, and she's been actively practicing not letting anyone push her over, or thwart her will, ever since childhood.

She's still furious at Travis. You can see it in the smug expression while she watches his sisters listen to the journal entries. If she could get at him now, she'd find new ways to continue killing him.
 
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Casa Robles is the Mexican place in Yreka (aka Margaritaville)
Mimi's Cafe (Mesa)
CA Pizza Kitchen (Palm Desert)

Ruby Tuesday
 
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Yes, and a doctor on Nancy Grace said her use of the word "betrayed" onu proved that her child abuse story was a fabrication. Because "betrayed" is the correct clinical *expected* response of a normal person who has not been abused. "Ashamed" is the most commonly reported answer when a true abuse victim is asked how the beating made them feel. "Ashamed" or "guilty" or "i felt like I deserved it". NOT betrayed. That is the correct answer IF you're not chronically abused.

I think "ashamed," "enraged," "humiliated" or "terrified" would work, too. She has no idea what real feelings are.:furious:
 
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MOO I have 3 children and wrong is wrong, however, I can't imagine NOT being there for my child. I may not like what they did, but I still would love them no matter what. :twocents:

I think that there is a difference in supporting your child and enabling your child. Jackie Peterson and Cindy Anthony are enablers. They were willing to lie and cover for their children and neither one will admit that their little darlings committed any crime.
 
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Actually, Jodi's own behavior undid the "battered woman" theory better than any evidence Juan could present. Her demeanor revealed that she is nobody's pushover. There's no way the jury could have missed it.

Under JM, she pulled back the curtain all the way: Jodi's demureness is all a big act. At one point, she acted so superior and condescending that she had to tilt her head down while stifling a LOL at JM. No fear here, folks.

That said, I could totally see someone wanting to kick the ish out of Jodi Arias. She constantly pushed her parents over the edge with her attitude and insulting lies. She did everything it would take to push TA over the edge as well. She's lucky he didn't snap and get her first.

And I think she's very calculating in how she taunts and provokes. It's like a power game with her, maybe she gets some kind of adrenalin rush out of it. There is absolutely no evidence or witnesses who have related anything even close to what she has claimed regarding Travis exhibiting any violent type behavior. A great deal of her stories about him are outright lies and fabrications, imo, and when he did lose his temper, it was because she deliberately provoked him and pushed him over the edge, or out of sheer desperation to try to push her out of his life.
 
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BBM. that stunned me. she'd eliminated her problem. no more worrying about where TA is or who he's with. she took care of it and was starting with a clean slate.

really shocking answer to that question to me---and so revealing about how she thinks.

It's also noteworthy that none of her ex's seem to have livein girlfriends or wifes. She keeps in touch. I just bet she does. jmo
 
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I think Juan was doing a couple things yesterday. I think he was setting boundaries with her and also letting her know he is in control.

One thing I noticed (and it scared me to see) was her acclimatizing to Juan. And at some point I think she will mimic him too.

Its fascinating and creepy to see a true sociopath at work.

Very interesting point. Very insightful.

I see this now too. Didn't realize that was what was going on but makes perfect sense. Jodi assimilates. She takes on the form of whomever is most influential to her at the moment. When it was with Nurmi who was nurturing and subdued, she could play the demure card.

But with Juan- she is echoing his abrasive demeanor with a "she-devil" of her own. I think you are right, it is creepy. It's like she can't help herself because that is resident to her sociopathic nature. She does it despite herself.

I think Nurmi grounded down four molars watching her unveil her fangs like that.

I think we'll see a different Jodi on Moday. I think Nurmi will coach her over the weekend. Maybe not. Maybe she simply has no control over her psychosis.
 
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Great Post. I agree, but I do think when he finally catches her like the magazine catch. He needs to stop and really hammer it home what was just proved. Let jury know what was just proved. Then go on to next wave of attack. He lost a lot of people when he immediately jumped to next point he was trying to make.

I think the defense has tried to prepare her for every scenario possible from the prosecution and Juan is trying to make sure he dosn't do anything she is prepaired for IMO
 
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I know this is a little off topic, but I've only been following this case for about 2 weeks [the beginning of Jodi's testimony]. I knew a little about the case when I began watching her on the stand and considered her guilty, but, when I saw her testifying, I was struck by how innocent and sweet she seemed. This caused me initially to question whether she had been justified in doing what she did. I've since studied enough to understand that this is not the case, imo.

However, one thing that I wanted to ask about are the pictures taken that day and found in the camera. Those pictures are telling a story. There is the story that Jodi wants us to believe [an afternoon of sex and sexy pictures in the shower that suddenly went bad] and the real story--whether it's that or something else.

So here's my question. Two pictures from the afternoon of sex--one shows Travis lying on the bed making a peace sign. One shows Jodi lying on the bed naked in braids. Neither one is smiling or looking particularly happy, although Jodi might look smug.

In the Travis peace sign picture, take a look at his face. He looks very distressed. My question is why is he making a peace sign? Is this a message to his friends who will later view the picture? Is this a message to Jodi who is taking the picture? It just seems very odd, particularly given the look on his face.

Who took the picture of Jodi in braids? I believe she took that herself with the automatic timer. Again, she is not smiling or seeming to be interacting in any way with a lover behind the camera. I believe there was no one behind the camera, only a timer.

Now to the shower pictures. First, again, Travis looks very distressed to me in every picture. In a couple, he looks like he is praying [head down eyes closed]. I believe he was on his knees or sitting down in all those pictures. Without going through them one by one, you will see in many of those pictures, the photographer [Jodi] is standing above him. The picture is clearly being taken from above. In others, she is clearly squatting down [which she admitted, btw] to take them from way below him, but he has not moved--he is still in the same kneeling or sitting position.

Now, my question is--who kneels or sits down in a stand up shower of that sort? Not only is there no reason to do it, it would be down right uncomfortable. Given this, and the look on his face in each picture, I believe he was being forced to assume those positions by someone holding a weapon on him.

In one of the shower pictures, he has both hands pressed in front of his chest. Two of the fingers on his left hand, although folded, seemed to me to be purposely raised above the rest--again, in a truncated peace sign. Again, I thought --is he trying to send a message to those who would view these pictures? It almost reminded me of prisoners of war who are forced to testify against their country but send a contradictory message in hand gestures.

Can anyone tell me--has there been this type of discussion about these pictures, either on the board or in the trial? Has there been any explanation for them [other than Jodi's self serving one]? Has anyone else commented on the incongruity of the peace sign with the look on his face?

Is there anyone who thinks,-- he did not know she was going to show up that day, she walked in on him with a weapon at 4am, and held him hostage until she killed him?

I have been looking and looking at those pictures, and the feeling that I get from them is that I am looking at a hostage situation. It gives me the creeps.

I wish I could ask Travis' friends, did he ever make the peace sign when he was having his picture taken?

BBM- this has been haunting me for days. I can't understand why I've been thinking these exact thoughts, but I am.
 
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