Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

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  • #361
TA: I never understood the world as a stage until I lost my 22 yr old son. I have realized over the 9 years since his death that I am an actor on that stage. I am me when I am alone and I am who I am expected to be in public or at work.
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I agree Isabelle.....we are exactly that way after losing a child. IMO
Never thought of putting it that way.
 
  • #362
I heard the defense's opening. They're going to try and show TA's as an abuser. But that will fail. It doesn't matter how crappy TA treated JA, because at the time of the murder there is no evidence that JA's life was in immediate danger, or that JA had any reason to believe her life should be in danger, and from the pictures and crime scene we know she could have gotten away if she did think her life in danger. One stab at him in the chest would have bought enough time for her to run out of the house. 27 stab wounds is not "self-defense." That's called "rage."
 
  • #363
Travis was the victim of a murder, but he wasn't a victim of a relationship. He decided to keep seeing/interacting with/and having sex with Jodi Arias after he decided to stop and told her to stay away from him. She wasn't forcing him to do *those* things (like have sex). Entice him? Yes of course. But he was an adult who could make decisions. She did illegal things (slash his tires, break into his house) and he didn't report it to the police, didn't change his locks, didn't change the PINs on his bank account or garage, didn't change his online accounts. Those things (lack of action) were his responses.

For whatever reason he was not in fear and he didn't want to involve the police to make it stop. That's on Travis. He could have attempted several things to get things to stop. He didn't.

He's not responsible for his own death, but he is responsible for his own dealings with this unstable/obsessive woman. He couldn't control *her* but he was in charge of himself and he decided to keep seeing her regardless of how she got into his house/his bed/uninvited.

I somewhat agree with part of this post, however, we don't know for a fact that he "kept seeing her" in any way other than her breaking into his house, taking her clothes off and seducing him into sex. Remember that this man grew up in the Mormon church, which is a very conservative religion. Sex, once he experienced it, would be a powerful thing. I don't think Travis had a lot of experience in intimate relationships with women. "He could have attempted several things to get things to stop, but he didn't" - is correct. He didn't because not everyone does. This has no bearing on the fact that he was brutally slaughtered.

I am retired law enforcement and having seen these situations first hand for many years, I can tell you that every person out there does not always do what seems to be "right". I can guarantee you that restraining/protection orders do not keep people safe. I believe that Jodi would have gotten to him no matter what he did. This is a true monster we are talking about.
 
  • #364
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I 100% agree/ IMO she DID NOT expect him to be awake.

Threw a wrench in her plans.

I'd like to know what he was doing on the computer late at night. Jodi admitted to hacking into his online account/s so I wonder if she wasn't 'eavesdropping' on him while she was en route. I know she had disconnected her cell phone by removing the battery but maybe she had a laptop? If so she knew he was awake. I'm on the fence about if she thought he'd be awake or asleep but IMO it made little difference to Jodi I think her plans were already in place and they included killing Travis if he didn't take her to Cancun.
 
  • #365
Travis was the victim of a murder, but he wasn't a victim of a relationship. He decided to keep seeing/interacting with/and having sex with Jodi Arias after he decided to stop and told her to stay away from him. She wasn't forcing him to do *those* things (like have sex). Entice him? Yes of course. But he was an adult who could make decisions. She did illegal things (slash his tires, break into his house) and he didn't report it to the police, didn't change his locks, didn't change the PINs on his bank account or garage, didn't change his online accounts. Those things (lack of action) were his responses.

For whatever reason he was not in fear and he didn't want to involve the police to make it stop. That's on Travis. He could have attempted several things to get things to stop. He didn't.

He's not responsible for his own death, but he is responsible for his own dealings with this unstable/obsessive woman. He couldn't control *her* but he was in charge of himself and he decided to keep seeing her regardless of how she got into his house/his bed/uninvited.

I find Travis no different than anyone else who finds themselves in an abusive dangerous relationship. Gender is no issue for me for I know men go through the same hell and fear that females do.

I dont see how anyone can say with any certainty that Travis wasnt afraid. He would certainly not be the first man nor woman in the same situation that did things just to appease the abuser hoping eventually they would just go away and leave them the hell alone.

Only 10% of abuse victims report incidents to the police so I dont fault Travis for not reporting them when there are millions just like him that dont report either. Often those in abusive relationships..the one being abused thinks reporting will only make the abuse worse and the obsessive abuser.. angrier. I know that for a fact because I too was one of them at one time.

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  • #366
I heard the defense's opening. They're going to try and show TA's as an abuser. But that will fail. It doesn't matter how crappy TA treated JA, because at the time of the murder there is no evidence that JA's life was in immediate danger, or that JA had any reason to believe her life should be in danger, and from the pictures and crime scene we know she could have gotten away if she did think her life in danger. One stab at him in the chest would have bought enough time for her to run out of the house. 27 stab wounds is not "self-defense." That's called "rage."

premeditation as well: she brought a gun
 
  • #367
Exactly, my thoughts as well. Let me explain something I am not too proud of and share the inside of being a woman that desperately loved a man that did this EXACT same thing:

I fell in love with a jerk about 6 years ago this week. He was very outgoing and had lots of girls that would text him constantly. At first, I trusted that he was just a friendly guy and it was only friend chatter. One day, one of the girlfriends of my ex's best friend took pity on me and told me he was actaully seeing other girls every chance he got behind my back. I found myself checking his texts, driving by his house when he said he was at a "meeting" just to see if he was lying. I guess you could say I kinda stalked him while we were dating trying to protect my interests.

We would break up constantly as a result of my "trust issues" and then get back together because he loved me so much and couldn't let me go for good. Here is where the TA and JA relationship intersect my own.....he told all of his friends we weren't together, that I was bothering him and wouldn't let him go, yada,yada,yada. When I finally found out that he was saying these things and I was being bamboozled, I got the courage to walk away.

I know what it is like to deeply love someone and find out later that you are only being used for their benefit. It was a terrible feeling. I regret having checked his phone or driving by his house to check on him. I realize now that is not okay.

JA has mental health issues and TA never really knew what he was dealing with. He never deserved to die like he did and I really believe that we will see he didn't try to push her away like his friends think he did.

I am not blaming the victim since he probably had ZERO idea what he was doing when he would push her away only to invite her back to take naughty pictures. Murder is never okay in my book and I do believe that JA planned this murder after she realized that she would never truly have TA.


I feel your pain and JA's. There are plenty of us women who understand what drove Jodi over the edge. It was awful what she did, just horrendous -- but...

I hope this "Fatal Attraction" case sends a message loud and clear to men. What I find particularly a problem is guys (like Travis and your ex) who go around telling their friends that they have a stalker. Yet they're still intimate with you?!!

My point is, I think some guys LIKE telling their friends that a woman wants them too much. They think it makes them seem like a hot catch, a guy that other guys admire. It's a "bragging right" among competitive men. Like there's a prize for the Most Irresistible Man -- bonus point when there's a girl who acts kind of obsessed.

I've seen guys joke about this stuff. They're often flattered by so much attention and LOVE to tell people about it.

What's more, all of this attention from the woman really stokes their ego. And yes, they are often mean to these women, put them down, call them crazy, etc.

Yet, they keep stringing the woman along. Why? Because if they truly put their foot down, they won't feel as hot and "wanted." Plus, every now and then, he knows he'll need that "3-hole wonder" to satiate his sexual fire.

If any good can come from this case, I hope it convinces more men to stop chasing down girls, filling their heads with crap, and then toying with her emotions like a jerk once he changes his mind.

The fact that Jodi carried out antic after antic -- including allegedly even slashing his new girl's tires?!! And Travis never reported anything to the police -- possibly because he "needed" to remain sexual with her...?

Well, Jodi is going to he// for that brutal attack. But Travis was dancing in the he//fire, too.
 
  • #368
Incidentally I believe all emails are likely to be suspect anyway (82,000!) but several friends have stated online Jodi frequently used Travis' laptop. More muddification!

And I've read it was June 10th Travis and Mimi were going to Cancun. (Can't say where - my PC has picked up some wicked mileage sleuthing this case. ;))
 
  • #369
They have one in the Cancun airport. I ate there in July on the way back from Mexico.

Maybe that's what made her think of Margaritaville in the first place, TA's trip to Cancun. Remember there was apparently a bit of truth in Casey Anthony's lies too. She even pulled things from TV shows, and wove them into her lies.
 
  • #370
rmt, it may be in the timeline thread

let me look

(I am listening to day one audio now... if anyone hasn't done so it is well worth it! The defense lays out what they plan on doing to TA during their CIC :eek: It is going to get ugly)

Wouldn't. Expect anything less. Sadly:moo:
 
  • #371
I'd like to know what he was doing on the computer late at night. Jodi admitted to hacking into his online account/s so I wonder if she wasn't 'eavesdropping' on him while she was en route. I know she had disconnected her cell phone by removing the battery but maybe she had a laptop? If so she knew he was awake. I'm on the fence about if she thought he'd be awake or asleep but IMO it made little difference to Jodi I think her plans were already in place and they included killing Travis if he didn't take her to Cancun.


This seems about right to me..... Maybe her plan A was to give it one last try…. Seduce him and hopefully he would see the light that she was the one for him. If that failed, then plan B was to kill him, if she couldn’t have him then nobody would have him……..It appears that there was more than a little anger at having plan A fail. When he didn’t fall for her plot she had everything in place to execute plan B. And wow, did she ever go ballistic…… A woman scorned.
 
  • #372
Honestly, Travis's personality, work behavior and what we know of his relationship with JA makes me think he has a narcissistic injury...which fits his childhood to a t. Of course, disclaimer, he did not deserve what happened to him and this case made me cry, because he seemed to be progressing as a person, as a human, and probably had turmoil about JA that he would have moved on from.
 
  • #373
Incidentally I believe all emails are likely to be suspect anyway (82,000!) but several friends have stated online Jodi frequently used Travis' laptop. More muddification!

And I've read it was June 10th Travis and Mimi were going to Cancun. (Can't say where - my PC has picked up some wicked mileage sleuthing this case. ;))
Radar Online says they were going one June 10th

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/01/jodi-arias-death-penalty-trial-accusatory-911-call-audio/
 
  • #374
JMO she may have been so obsessed with TA because he may have been the only man to ever reject her. While others may have been infacuated with her TA was not. I think MOO she was just a good time at that time. Someone who lived in a diff state he could have fun with. JMO

I bet that is it. He rejected her.

I am a woman and there is a woman (not sexual) who my hubby calls a soul sucker.

She was a friend, but last spring she did too many negative things so I ended the friendship.

I did not say anything, but ceased talking, etc.

She still tries to contact me through various channels and I know it is so she can get back at me and have the final say.
 
  • #375
I somewhat agree with part of this post, however, we don't know for a fact that he "kept seeing her" in any way other than her breaking into his house, taking her clothes off and seducing him into sex. Remember that this man grew up in the Mormon church, which is a very conservative religion. Sex, once he experienced it, would be a powerful thing. I don't think Travis had a lot of experience in intimate relationships with women. "He could have attempted several things to get things to stop, but he didn't" - is correct. He didn't because not everyone does. This has no bearing on the fact that he was brutally slaughtered.

I am retired law enforcement and having seen these situations first hand for many years, I can tell you that every person out there does not always do what seems to be "right". I can guarantee you that restraining/protection orders do not keep people safe. I believe that Jodi would have gotten to him no matter what he did. This is a true monster we are talking about.

Agree. Thank you for posting. IMO Travis Alexander in no way, shape or form deserved any part of dying the way he did. This defendant is a very dangerous psychopath.
 
  • #376
I somewhat agree with part of this post, however, we don't know for a fact that he "kept seeing her" in any way other than her breaking into his house, taking her clothes off and seducing him into sex. Remember that this man grew up in the Mormon church, which is a very conservative religion. Sex, once he experienced it, would be a powerful thing. I don't think Travis had a lot of experience in intimate relationships with women. "He could have attempted several things to get things to stop, but he didn't" - is correct. He didn't because not everyone does. This has no bearing on the fact that he was brutally slaughtered.

I am retired law enforcement and having seen these situations first hand for many years, I can tell you that every person out there does not always do what seems to be "right". I can guarantee you that restraining/protection orders do not keep people safe. I believe that Jodi would have gotten to him no matter what he did. This is a true monster we are talking about.[/QUOTE
There were also those naughty pictures. They could have been a hindrance to him if released. Don't think ia would be affected by there release she would make something up and others would believe. Whereas with TA it could crumble all he had worked for
 
  • #377
I mean, was it to map her trip? Document ky purchases? Hair dye? Later explain where the money came from? It goes to premeditation. But I think it's going to become clearer later.

so, has the media ever dug up JA's highschool yearbook photos?

I am **amazed** at the lack of background on her.. really I am!


Linda~ I am really surprised KY was even needed with a <person> like her.
UNLESS... she was using it on TA & ick :(
I can't go there out of respect for TA.

I found this yearbook pic. I was out of commission all day yesterday
so my apologies if this is a duplicate picture.

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it was already posted, oh well in case anyone missed it...
 
  • #378
I wondered the same thing after I hit the "post" button. They did travel a lot!

Not that it's any defense for murder, but it does seem like at some point in the relationship Travis really liked Jody. I think she fell hard, he was good looking, successful, outgoing, popular, etc. I think once he started pulling away, then still having sex with her, then pulling away, repeat, she felt confused, used, rejected, etc. Then it came down to if she couldn't have him nobody could. And that made her feel better about herself. It's sickening!
Imo
 
  • #379
Agree. Thank you for posting. IMO Travis Alexander in no way, shape or form deserved any part of dying the way he did. This defendant is a very dangerous psychopath.
On that note this is a pretty decent website on intimate relationships with psychopaths.
http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/why-dont-psychopaths-let-go-of-their-victims/
Since, fundamentally, psychopaths engage with other human beings only because they need idolaters and subjects to use and dominate, an insatiable and obstinate need for control is the main and most fundamental reason why psychopaths can’t let go of their victims. Letting go would mean that they lose ownership over former targets. They no longer can get them to do their bidding. They can no longer lie to and manipulate them. They can no longer use them for supply, be it an ego boost, sex, money, or power. Those targets are out of their reach, out of their hands.
This also means that those former targets can move on and have the opportunity to lead much healthier and better lives without the psychopaths. This is the one thing that a psychopath can’t tolerate: the idea that you are far better off without him. The idea that you can find love again, or regain control of the finances he decimated, or find a better career that he destroyed.
 
  • #380
At this time I take everything I have heard from JA and/or legal team with a big grain of salt.
How many of those 82,000 emails was actually from Travis and how many times did the couple hook up for sex? How does self defense work with dragging an incapacitated/dying man around?

I am interested in understanding the psychic (sp?) of someone like Jodie Arias. I see the photo of her as a teenager and she looks quite pretty in it. I heard on one of the TV shows that JA had a nose job and breast enlargement done. I have NO problem with anyone electing cosmetic surgery. That is their business. But with Jodi I am led to believe that she felt she could improve those areas. I wonder how insecure she was/is? Along the same lines I read a poster complimenting JA as an artist on her art work depicting hands but not so good on portraits. Is this because a psychopath doesn't relate to normal human emotions and getting the human expression, with includes some nuances of emotion, is hard for a psychopath to relate to and copy onto paper/canvas?
 
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