Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[Linda7NJ]

When the Defense Attorney says Jodi did it and there is no question about that, where did that come from? I know Jodi had to admit she was at Travis' home because of camera pics, handprint in blood and her blood being present. I am just not getting this part that she confessed, but not to police. Is there somewhere I can read about this? Thanks

Her story is best told in the defenses opening statement

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, and that's all I've seen or heard about it anywhere ever. Is there anything else out there that you know of. I'm guessing we shouldn't be surprised if duct tape figures into the sex pics from the day of the murder? I haven't seen those either, though. Have any of y'all?

I've only seen the blurry close up of her vagina that was displayed in opening statements. Someone got a screen grab and linked it here. She wasn't hiding behind her hair then

 

[TigerBalm]

I think what Sula means is that Travis obviously didn't know she was a psychotic murderess. So you would expect that he would have treated her with as much respect as he would have treated anyone else from his own moral perspective. That's where I think the double standard comes in. On one hand you can treat someone with as much respect as you think they deserve. On the other hand, you can associate intimately only with people that you respect so that your personal moral code doesn't vary. Hope that makes sense.

Sorry Sula if that's not what you meant

Did you watch this? I think he had an idea but it was too late by then.
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/01/...dict-his-own-death?clusterId=1303#videoplayer

 

[Linda7NJ]

I understand what you're saying but I don't think she deserved respect (even before he knew she was a psychotic murderess). From what we've heard so far, she threw herself at him, she stalked him, she aggressively pursued him. I know I have such dislike for her that I cannot be unbiased but just because she is a woman offering herself on a platter to a man does mean she should be respected. Of course, the right thing for him to have done would have been to disregard his physical hormones and shoo her away without giving into temptation. But really, this happens EVERY hour in the world with relationships - good sex can cloud the vision of the best of us!

And honestly, if a person behaves like a a and a ( according to Travis) she shouldnt be all hurt if she's treated like one. He said she treated him like a dildo with a heart beat....so who exactly was using who? They were using each other!

 

[TigerBalm]

Here is a pic of the duct tape found in the laundry room.

 

[kkdj]

Did Travis Alexander predict his own death?

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/01/...dict-his-own-death?clusterId=1303#videoplayer

Jane Velez-Mitchell had an exclusive interview with Dr. Karl Hiatt, a close friend and mentor of Travis Alexander. Dr. Hiatt says Travis spoke to him about his relationship with Jodi Arias and even gave him an ominous warning.

I watched this. I thought that Travis had some instincts that Jodi was possibly dangerous. Stalking, slashing tires, going thru doggie door, etc. I'm guessing he questioned his instincts as they seemed to Bazarro. I mean to consider that someone might kill you! But i think he wanted to discuss it with his mentor.
Jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Here is a pic of the duct tape found in the laundry room.

Maybe she planned to bind Travis as part of the staging.....Got bored or lazy and didn't bother? She didn't finish the laundry

 

[kkdj]

I've only seen the blurry close up of her vagina that was displayed in opening statements. Someone got a screen grab and linked it here. She wasn't hiding behind her hair then

Was this the pic with the pigtails? If so I have a question about the pigtails.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Was this the pic with the pigtails? If so I have a question about the pigtails.

No just the close up, legs spread money shot.

I didn't see anything of the full body shots

 

[LotusPawprint]

Creepy alert

 

[Linda7NJ]

The car check is gnawing at me,
I can't believe she called and asked the detective if he knew when it would be deposited.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Creepy alert

If we're lucky she'll one day be in that aliens position ....but strapped down

 

[Madeleine74]

Travis didn't:

- Change his locks on his home
- Get a locking door for that doggy door (and yes they do make them)
- Change his garage code
- Change his passwords on his social media accounts
- Change his ATM PIN
- Change his voicemail password
- Change his phone number
- Change his email
- Alert the police
- Report criminal activity (vandalism) to his property or to his girlfriend's property (slashed tires)
- Take legal matters and get a restraining order (this is but a first step but is necessary to take further actions)
- Cut off all contact with stalker Jodi, no ifs, ands, or buts.
- Refuse to speak, see or interact with stalker Jodi no matter what she tried
- Call 911 if she then did show up on his doorstep

Travis did:

- Still interact with stalker Jodi via phone, texts, emails (so we're told)
- Still have sex with stalker Jodi if/when she showed up
- Suspect or even know it was stalker Jodi who was vandalizing his car and that of whoever he was dating
- Take pictures and/or allow pictures to be taken of himself and stalker Jodi nude


Travis did not deserve to die and he most certainly did not deserve to die through the unlawful and heinous actions of someone else.

With all the interest in the case including armchair psychoanalyzing of victim and perp, amidst the projection of personal values and personal histories onto the people in this case, perhaps it's important to review what measures were not taken. I've listed them above.

As a murder victim Travis was innocent (of course). As a man in a relationship with Jodi, and it was dysfunctional to say the least, he was not innocent. Neither person was innocent in that relationship. At some point he knew this gal was not for him and he knew he didn't love her. Her strange obsessive behavior escalated over a period of many months. He continued to see her when she showed up and have sex with her. That was his choice. It was a terrible choice but he made it. She did not force him to have sex. He was not a child.

The demonization of the seductress female archetype continues unabated. Evil wench seducing and forcing poor defenseless man-boy to have multiple sexual trysts which was unwanted, in this fable. Sorry, but that stereotype doesn't do a thing to help understand this tragic case.

She isn't the "worst of the worst." Fortunately she was stopped before she could ever kill again. I can name dozens of others more evil and more heinous. Darlie Routier anyone? Charles Manson? Richard Ramirez? Diane Downs?

This crime will be punished. If that isn't obvious by now, I don't know what is. She will not walk the streets ever again. You don't need to hide your sons and quake in fear. She may or may not get the DP. Either way she won't be put to death even if she does get that sentence. She'll be in prison the rest of her life. She will carry a heavy karmic debt out of this life, like all murderers.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Where can I read about the 'I did it to defend myself' through the sister story? I am missing a half box of a jigsaw puzzle!

This HuffPo article from 12/2011 is one of my go-to articles, a must-read IMO

On Tuesday, Arias' younger sister, Angela Arias, said her sister's statements during the "48 Hours" interview were lies, and that Alexander's death was an act of self-defense on her sister's part during an incidence of domestic violence.

"She was not under oath when she spoke on TV and yes, she lied," Angela Arias wrote on Facebook after The Huffington Post sent her a request for comment. "But, it was because she was so in love with that man she did not want people to know what a monster he really was. She wanted everyone to believe that he was as amazing as they thought he was."

Arias' third story is detailed in recent court documents as part of a request she made to admit electronic copies of letters allegedly written by Alexander between November 27, 2006, and May 27, 2008.

"Defendant had previously attributed the crime to intruders. She now argues that all of the letters must be admitted to support her domestic violence defense," prosecutors wrote in a motion to preclude the letters. "Defendant argues that the letters are relevant to her claim of self-defense and that she was a victim of previous 'sexual and physical abuse' by Mr. Alexander."

Arias, according to prosecutors, is claiming Alexander "became angry when she dropped his camera" and she was forced to kill him in self-defense. Angela Arias made reference to this defense in a Facebook post Tuesday.

"My sister is innocent of the crime they are accusing her of ... She did kill Travis but it was not in cold blood, it was not for revenge, it was because she was afraid for her life," Angela Arias wrote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/jodi-arias_n_1174274.html

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Madeline:

A quick question----> what was it that TA did that caused JA to slash his tires? It must've been something that incited rage as an attempt by TA to distance himself from JA, no?

 

[Boodles]

I agree completely, just because Travis was a man it doesn't make it any lesser of a crime. My opinion, Jodi repeatedly raped Travis. Anything she says about mistreatment, rough sex, etc. is most likely a lie, just like all of her other lies. Jodi's lies do nothing but provide a self service to herself. I am hoping we get to see both sides of text messages. If we only get to see what Travis sent her, I would have a problem with that.

She may be a killer and wacko, but a rapist? No.

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/was-it-rape

 

[Linda7NJ]

Travis didn't:

- Change his locks on his home
- Get a locking door for that doggy door (and yes they do make them)
- Change his garage code
- Change his passwords on his social media accounts
- Change his ATM PIN
- Change his voicemail password
- Change his phone number
- Change his email
- Alert the police
- Report criminal activity (vandalism) to his property or to his girlfriend's property (slashed tires)
- Take legal matters and get a restraining order (this is but a first step but is necessary to take further actions)
- Cut off all contact with stalker Jodi, no ifs, ands, or buts.
- Refuse to speak, see or interact with stalker Jodi no matter what she tried
- Call 911 if she then did show up on his doorstep

Travis did:

- Still interact with stalker Jodi via phone, texts, emails (so we're told)
- Still have sex with stalker Jodi if/when she showed up
- Suspect or even know it was stalker Jodi who was vandalizing his car and that of whoever he was dating
- Take pictures and/or allow pictures to be taken of himself and stalker Jodi nude


Travis did not deserve to die and he most certainly did not deserve to die through the unlawful and heinous actions of someone else.

With all the interest in the case including armchair psychoanalyzing of victim and perp, amidst the projection of personal values and personal histories onto the people in this case, perhaps it's important to review what measures were not taken. I've listed them above.

As a murder victim Travis was innocent (of course). As a man in a relationship with Jodi, and it was dysfunctional to say the least, he was not innocent. Neither person was innocent in that relationship. At some point he knew this gal was not for him and he knew he didn't love her. Her strange obsessive behavior escalated over a period of many months. He continued to see her when she showed up and have sex with her. That was his choice. It was a terrible choice but he made it. She did not force him to have sex. He was not a child.

The demonization of the seductress female archetype continues unabated. Evil wench seducing and forcing poor defenseless man-boy to have multiple sexual trysts which was unwanted, in this fable. Sorry, but that stereotype doesn't do a thing to help understand this tragic case.

She isn't the "worst of the worst." Fortunately she was stopped before she could ever kill again. I can name dozens of others more evil and more heinous. Darlie Routier anyone? Charles Manson? Richard Ramirez? Diane Downs?

This crime will be punished. If that isn't obvious by now, I don't know what is. She will not walk the streets ever again. You don't need to hide your sons and quake in fear. She may or may not get the DP. Either way she won't be put to death even if she does get that sentence. She'll be in prison the rest of her life. She will carry a heavy karmic debt out of this life, like all murderers.

Just curious, do you tend to assign blame and responsibly to real battered women that feel helpless and trapped in abusive relationships?

Years ago, before I was educated, I did. I'd say.....why don't they just leave. Why do they stay? And even....gasp....they must have liked it or not minded that much.

I don't think that way anymore after studying domestic abuse, battered women syndrome, and the dynamics of abusive controlling relationships.

 

[bobloblaw]

Madeline:

A quick question----> what was it that TA did that caused JA to slash his tires? It must've been something that incited rage as an attempt by TA to distance himself from JA, no?

Great question, for the folks that are following the "poor defenseless female narrative".

 

[Linda7NJ]

Great question, for the folks that are following the "poor defenseless female narrative".

He was visiting a romantic interest. She followed him there....and slashed his tires. Not once, but twice!

 

[Madeleine74]

Just curious, do you tend to assign blame and responsibly to real battered women that feel helpless and trapped in abusive relationships?

What a strange question. What battered person was I assigning blame to? Travis wasn't a battered male. He was a man who was brutally murdered. I have no evidence of Jodi being a battered woman or being trapped in a relationship either.

Since you asked, I've volunteered for and raised money for and donated money to domestic violence organizations in my area, so blaming a battered woman (or man) is not my style.