Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[Linda7NJ]

Where can I hear more about that!

I pretty much summed it up above. She forged the letters, tried to represent herself, the letters were proven to be forgeries, she told the judge she was in over her head....she's back to having lawyers again.

 

[kkdj]

I haven't seen them. But I believe they were up high and child like. She was hoping to use that as part of Travis was a pedophile defense she manufactured with forged letters she had hoped people would believe were written by Travis admitting he was attracted to little girls.

That's what I figured Jody would say the pigtails were all about.
Do you think she was setting him up to blackmail him with his Ward, work, friends, family, other women? That way he could never leave her?
I don't mean just with the pigtails. I mean with the sex, the pics, the recordings, and who knows what else! Perhaps it's why he never went to the police about her. He had his hands tied so to speak. Blackmail! She had him by the b____!
worth thinking about?
Imo

 

[Madeleine74]

I've objectively summarized the case a couple times now but those summaries are ignored. People prefer to cling to the emotional side of the argument, which I understand, but then ask for an objective view or summary and when provided it, ignore it. C'est la vie.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think that the ponytails were just part of her seduction to get him into a better position for murder. Since she came there to murder him, I don't think that blackmail or anything other than seeing him dead was on her mind.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I've objectively summarized the case a couple times now but those summaries are ignored. People prefer to cling to the emotional side of the argument, which I understand, but then ask for an objective view and when provided it, ignore it. C'est la vie.

You've summed them up with your opinion. We are each entitled to our own.

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's what I figured Jody would say the pigtails were all about.
Do you think she was setting him up to blackmail him with his Ward, work, friends, family, other women? That way he could never leave her?

Nah....

 

[Madeleine74]

JA wearing ponytails would only work as a seduction tool if TA was, in fact, turned on by seeing such a thing. And JA knew that which implies he told her it was something he liked/turned him on. Otherwise, it's a very random and strange time to decide to wear pigtails, not knowing if it would get a positive reaction.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I've objectively summarized the case a couple times now but those summaries are ignored. People prefer to cling to the emotional side of the argument, which I understand, but then ask for an objective view or summary and when provided it, ignore it. C'est la vie.

I'm not ignoring. I simply have nothing to say and at the same time I am respecting your opinion, while I don't share it.

I must confess I'm pretty generous on who I feel deserves the death penalty....

 

[Curious Me]

I saw what some others pointed out in the "minute before pic of Travis in shower".

He does have a red mark around his neck and his eyes are kind of red.
Did they play with erotic asphyxiation? Of course, she could've almost killed him that way first...but no, she wanted to make him really suffer. Full to the brim with nothing but rage, Little Ms. Holy Night. (my name for her, so hands off NG)

 

[Isabelle]

This HuffPo article from 12/2011 is one of my go-to articles, a must-read IMO








http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/jodi-arias_n_1174274.html

Her admission of guilt is in the court documents where she wants to have letters admitted? This is strange. Did police do any interview with her based on the third story (killed in defense)? Thanks so much.

ETA: So she gave herself up? Good Grief, she's gonna make it to the top of "Criminals is Stoopid"!

 

[Linda7NJ]

JA wearing ponytails would only work as a seduction tool if TA was, in fact, turned on by seeing such a thing. And JA knew that which implies he told her it was something he liked/turned him on. Otherwise, it's a very random and strange time to decide to wear pigtails, not knowing if it would get a positive reaction.

Maybe he liked to hang onto the pony tails like bicycle handle bars during sex? Maybe he enjoyed a school fantasy ? So what?im missing the point. Maybe it was her fantasy not his at all?

We don't know .

 

[norest4thewicked]

JA wearing ponytails would only work as a seduction tool if TA was, in fact, turned on by seeing such a thing. And JA knew that which implies he told her it was something he liked/turned him on. Otherwise, it's a very random and strange time to decide to wear pigtails, not knowing if it would get a positive reaction.

Have you ever heard of role play? Some people like to do it. It isn't random or strange. Perhaps Jodi wanted to TRY it to see what kind of reaction she'd get. She didn't have to know it would get a reaction to want to try it.

 

[Karmady]

I've objectively summarized the case a couple times now but those summaries are ignored. People prefer to cling to the emotional side of the argument, which I understand, but then ask for an objective view or summary and when provided it, ignore it. C'est la vie.

I'm much more interested in the objective side. I didn't know Travis or Jodi so the murder is just another one and it just happens to be local. I'm not any more invested in justice for Travis than I'm invested in justice for the thousands of others who die daily around the world by murder or otherwise. Maybe I'm a sociopath

 

[Linda7NJ]

Have you ever heard of role play? Some people like to do it. It isn't random or strange. Perhaps Jodi wanted to TRY it to see what kind of reaction she'd get. She didn't have to know it would get a reaction to want to try it.

Yeah, maybe the Jason mask and butcher knife didn't excite him at all? Lol

 

[Isabelle]

I would rather Jodi be sentenced to LWOP, real "life" not the 2 for 1 carp. Death by lethal injection is a sort of escape in my mind. Life behind bars or in gen pop could be torture.

 

[Isabelle]

Maybe he liked to hang onto the pony tails like bicycle handle bars during sex? Maybe he enjoyed a school fantasy ? So what?im missing the point. Maybe it was her fantasy not his at all?

We don't know .

Maybe she didn't like the ponytail bump when she was on her back!

 

[Madeleine74]

Have you ever heard of role play? Some people like to do it. It isn't random or strange. Perhaps Jodi wanted to TRY it to see what kind of reaction she'd get. She didn't have to know it would get a reaction to want to try it.

It might be something that was a part of their sexual repertoire. Maybe TA did like envisioning JA as a younger female and maybe it did turn him on to see that.

I really wish people would *read* the words written. I never said role play or dress up was strange. I specifically said it would be a strange time to try it out on TA if she didn't already know he liked it. Considering she was supposedly gearing up to murder him and all and was allegedly making sure he was very turned on.

 

[Madeleine74]

I'm much more interested in the objective side. I didn't know Travis or Jodi so the murder is just another one and it just happens to be local. I'm not any more invested in justice for Travis than I'm invested in justice for the thousands of others who die daily around the world by murder or otherwise. Maybe I'm a sociopath

That's my viewpoint too. Case facts interest me more than speculation.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Honestly, I don't understand why we are buying into or even talking about the clearly manufactured defense by discussing the Mormon, sexual aspects at all!

This is her FOURTH story! FOURTH version....it's how many years after the fact?

Eye roll!

It reeks of desperation because she's a cold blooded psychopath that slaughtered him for no good reason.

That's the real facts of the case!

 

[LotusPawprint]

Two seemingly normal healthy adults (both well over the age of 21) meet and start dating/hanging out and have some sort of relationship, occasionally long distance and sometimes not. The male is deeply into the Mormon faith though is not following the strictest tenants of the religion and keeps that hidden as he and the female pursue sexual relations. The female adopts the male's religion and his persona and is clingy and is or becomes obsessive about this man. The male determines the relationship has no future and it eventually ends but continues in some fashion with one person not letting go (the female) and the male still engaging with the female. The dynamic is dysfunctional with both adults engaging in an ongoing sexual relationship as anger grows for both of them and the female's behavior shows violence. The female continues to escalate on to a "Glenn Close" level of bunny boiling behavior as she devolves from jealousy/rage/abandonment. At the end she plots or at least prepares for the male's demise and after one final tryst over many hours, murders the male by stabbing, slashing and finally shooting him and leaving his body. The crime demonstrates a rage type killing.

1st paragraph -- key words "seemingly normal healthy adults".

As you describe their situation, I don't see much out of the ordinary at the beginning. Actually quite the opposite. The circumstances they were in sound very familiar and normal, for the most part. For example -- meeting, on/off dating, his struggle with religion (trying to adhere to its principles while balancing modern temptations), sex without strings/friends with benefits, tumultuous relationship, hot and cold.

The alarming, unusual behavior starts with JA converting to Travis' religion, assimilating quickly and strongly into his life, obsessing over and clinging to him. Not normal or healthy. They split or break temporarily but continue with a physical relationship.
It's likely both were very into each other sexually, but IMO it's unlikely he knew engaging in a sexual relationship with her ("leading her on") could possibly turn into "Fatal Attraction". He's going along with some line of thought that she's a crazy B (my words, NOT his) but the sex is good and fun, NEVER thinking anyone could be capable of something so heinous, meanwhile she's planning and premeditating his vicious murder.


I've said it before but IMO Travis' "flaw" was him being a normal 30 year old guy. In many respects he was above average and exceptional-- having overcome a rough childhood, striving high with personal goals and religion, but now it's as if those qualities are being used against him as part of his deceptive "double life". IMO his actions with JA don't undo the good man he was with everyone else.