Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[Karmady]

I would rather Jodi be sentenced to LWOP, real "life" not the 2 for 1 carp. Death by lethal injection is a sort of escape in my mind. Life behind bars or in gen pop could be torture.

I think it could go either way. Imagine yourself walking down the hall to your death and whether, if given a choice, you'd head back to your cell. I'm guessing 99% of dp eligible would head back to their cells. Not to mention, I have no desire to support someone on death row for decades out of vengeance. If they deserve to be in hell, send them there.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I would rather Jodi be sentenced to LWOP, real "life" not the 2 for 1 carp. Death by lethal injection is a sort of escape in my mind. Life behind bars or in gen pop could be torture.

I would ordinarily agree with this. But, with a person like Jodi, life in prison would still allow her to live her life in her narcissistic dream. Although it would be on a much smaller level, she could still continue to blablabla and act like a rock star. I think the death penalty was made for people like her.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I would rather Jodi be sentenced to LWOP, real "life" not the 2 for 1 carp. Death by lethal injection is a sort of escape in my mind. Life behind bars or in gen pop could be torture.

Not for her. She has easily adapted to her new life behind bars. Psychopaths do that, they thrive there.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It might be something that was a part of their sexual repertoire. Maybe TA did like envisioning JA as a younger female and maybe it did turn him on to see that.

I really wish people would *read* the words written. I never said role play or dress up was strange. I specifically said it would be a strange time to try it out on TA if she didn't already know he liked it. Considering she was supposedly gearing up to murder him and all.

And maybe it didn't. Maybe it was her thing. Since you want to talk facts not assumptions.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Because of the dynamic between your post and the one you were responding to.

eta: this part, in particular

"Do you mind sharing what would help understand this tragic case, in your opinion?

I think JA's actions demonize themselves, we don't need to do much there. I don't hear many calling Travis a poor, defenseless man-boy."

Imo, there are plenty of things that could help us understand the case and they include both the behaviour of the victim and of Jodi.

I agree with you, the behavior of the victim and Jodi are pertinent.
The post I was responding to that you referenced included this as well,

With all the interest in the case including armchair psychoanalyzing of victim and perp, amidst the projection of personal values and personal histories onto the people in this case, perhaps it's important to review what measures were not taken. I've listed them above.

That's why I asked the poster what else would help understand this case, since "armchair psychoanalyzing" amidst the projection of personal values and personal histories were not helpful to us in understanding the case. I didn't mean it to be snarky, it was a real question meant to probe what someone else thinks is important to discuss.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think it could go either way. Imagine yourself walking down the hall to your death and whether, if given a choice, you'd head back to your cell. I'm guessing 99% of dp eligible would head back to their cells. Not to mention, I have no desire to support someone on death row for decades out of vengeance. If they deserve to be in hell, send them there.

If your asking for volunteers to push the button, count me in!

 

[Summerfun]

Two seemingly normal healthy adults (both well over the age of 21) meet and start dating/hanging out and have some sort of relationship, occasionally long distance and sometimes not. The male is deeply into the Mormon faith though is not following the strictest tenants of the religion and keeps that hidden as he and the female pursue sexual relations. The female adopts the male's religion and his persona and is clingy and is or becomes obsessive about this man. The male determines the relationship has no future and it eventually ends but continues in some fashion with one person not letting go (the female) and the male still engaging with the female. The dynamic is dysfunctional with both adults engaging in an ongoing sexual relationship as anger grows for both of them and the female's behavior shows violence. The female continues to escalate on to a "Glenn Close" level of bunny boiling behavior as she devolves from jealousy/rage/abandonment. At the end she plots or at least prepares for the male's demise and after one final tryst over many hours, murders the male by stabbing, slashing and finally shooting him and leaving his body. The crime demonstrates a rage type killing.
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No not those words, but in spirit yes. I've seen several suggesting poor Travis, a sex-starved man, could not help himself and had to succumb to the charms of a willing female, evil though she was.




How about mitigating and aggravating then.

I wish someone would define a first degree murder that isn't "cruel, heinous, awful" or whatever adjectives one chooses to use. To me they are ALL terrible and cruel and heinous and yet the death penalty is not given to all perpetrators of first degree murder.

"Brutalized beyond imagination?" Excellent hyperbole. This murder is terrible/awful, but not beyond what has been seen. It was over in 2 minutes or less. That doesn't make it okay on any level, so please don't suggest I am saying it is. Yes he suffered as do all murder victims. She might be sentenced to death or she might not be. Susan Wright, who stabbed her husband 200 times after tying him to the bed and pouring hot candle wax over him was given 25 years to life in prison, with no DP on the table. 200 stab wounds is something I consider "brutalized beyond imagination." Petit family kidnap/brutalized for hours/tied to beds/forced to go to bank and get $$$$/then sexually assaulted/ burned alive....that's "brutalized beyond imagination."

The best post I have read all night. Thank you.

 

[Madeleine74]

I've said it before but IMO Travis' "flaw" was him being a normal 30 year old guy. In many respects he was above average and exceptional-- having overcome a rough childhood, striving high with personal goals and religion, but now it's as if those qualities are being used against him as part of his deceptive "double life". IMO his actions with JA don't undo the good man he was with everyone else.

All humans are flawed. Some more so, some less so. IMO. Travis' flaw had nothing to do with being a normal 30 yr old guy. Those qualities aren't being used against him by anyone. Travis chose to lead a life in which he was part of a religion in which premarital sex is a sin. Travis chose to engage in sexual relations. Those are the facts. Travis did hide the reality of his sexual activities and his friends did not know he was engaging in these activities. That too is a fact.

Travis' "flaw" (if you want to call it that) was that he was attracted to and continued to engage in an intimate manner which was against his religious beliefs AND it just so happened the woman he was engaging in this behavior with was someone not mentally/emotionally balanced or stable. Travis didn't understand he needed to protect himself, his home, his belongings. And that's tragic.

 

[Linda7NJ]

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Really, that is news to me. I thought she wanted to marry him, get a better house to live in, blah blah blah.

If I was not in love with somebody, I certainly would not leave my hometown, move thousands of miles away, change my religion, go on some many trips, take so many pictures, if my only motive was to kill you.

That really makes no sense whatsoever.

Since when does stabbing someone in the heart, continuing to stab more than two dozen times, slashing their throat ear to ear, and end with putting a bullet in the brain ever make sense?

If that's your idea of "love" please....by all means...hate me!

You don't believe it was justifiable homicide, do you?

IMO Jodi is incapable of love.

Look at her behavior before, during and after the murder and show me the love!

 

[kkdj]

I would ordinarily agree with this. But, with a person like Jodi, life in prison would still allow her to live her life in her narcissistic dream. Although it would be on a much smaller level, she could still continue to blablabla and act like a rock star. I think the death penalty was made for people like her.

I actually agree with your post but I doubt she will get the DP.
Apparently young attractive female murderers rarely are sentenced to death. I read that during the CA trial.

 

[LotusPawprint]

"Brutalized beyond imagination?" Excellent hyperbole. This murder is terrible/awful, but not beyond what has been seen. It was over in 2 minutes or less. That doesn't make it okay on any level, so please don't suggest I am saying it is. Yes he suffered as do all murder victims. She might be sentenced to death or she might not be. Susan Wright, who stabbed her husband 200 times after tying him to the bed and pouring hot candle wax over him was given 25 years to life in prison, with no DP on the table. 200 stab wounds is something I consider "brutalized beyond imagination." Petit family kidnap/brutalized for hours/tied to beds/forced to go to bank and get $$$$/then sexually assaulted/ burned alive....that's "brutalized beyond imagination."

I'm well aware of Susan Wright's case and I'm well aware of cases and crimes involving all sorts of brutality and cruelty.



"Excellent hyperbole"? Okay then. Have a great night.

 

[Curious Me]

I would rather Jodi be sentenced to LWOP, real "life" not the 2 for 1 carp. Death by lethal injection is a sort of escape in my mind. Life behind bars or in gen pop could be torture.

LWOP is still serious punishment stretched out longer. You'll all be able to watch her do interviews from prison looking older year by year. I feel I've watched the Charley Manson girls aging in prison almost my whole lifetime, while I was on the outside not aging. :floorlaugh:

 

[Linda7NJ]

LWOP is still serious punishment stretched out longer. You'll all be able to watch her do interviews from prison looking older year by year. I feel I've watched the Charley Manson girls aging in prison almost my whole lifetime, while I was on the outside not aging. :floorlaugh:

Awwww. Thinking about Charlie's girls growing old behind bars made me feel all warm & fuzzy inside! Thank you!

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't think LWOP is a cakewalk even for narcissists. Sure while a trial is going on and they get attention it's fun for them, but eventually the media goes away, interest wanes, and they are just warehoused for the rest of their life. It's a harsh sentence and it's well deserved for those who choose to premeditate and carry out a murder.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I actually agree with your post but I doubt she will get the DP.
Apparently young attractive female murderers rarely are sentenced to death. I read that during the CA trial.

You very well could be right. But, if this wasn't a premeditated case and one where the victim suffered immensely, I don't know what is. I will keep my fingers crossed!

 

[Karmady]

I agree with you, the behavior of the victim and Jodi are pertinent.
The post I was responding to that you referenced included this as well,



That's why I asked the poster what else would help understand this case, since "armchair psychoanalyzing" amidst the projection of personal values and personal histories were not helpful to us in understanding the case. I didn't mean it to be snarky, it was a real question meant to probe what someone else thinks is important to discuss.

I'm sorry for misinterpreting your post and jumping off it. Please accept my apology

That said, I think everyone brings their own experience to the table. So it's no more "projecting" for, say, someone who's had friends with benefits to draw conclusions about the relationship at issue than it is for someone who's been in love and rejected by a user. EVERYONE is projecting their personal experience onto the situation and it's ALL instructive and valuable for discussion, imo.

 

[Karmady]

I actually agree with your post but I doubt she will get the DP.
Apparently young attractive female murderers rarely are sentenced to death. I read that during the CA trial.

Most women who get away with dp eligible crimes are non-hispanic married or (less so) divorced women with dependents. Dv defendants get sentenced to death less frequently than any other type of defendant, regardless of any other factor.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I don't think LWOP is a cakewalk even for narcissists. Sure while a trial is going on and they get attention it's fun for them, but eventually the media goes away, interest wanes, and they are just warehoused for the rest of their life. It's a harsh sentence and it's well deserved for those who choose to premeditate and carry out a murder.

You're right. I don't think that prison is a cake walk for anyone who is there. And, I also agree that the cameras will go away and she won't have the flurry of activity around her that she has now. But, for a person like Jodi, I think ANY attention she gets is good. I think that she deserves to just go away. I think that the Alexander family needs for her to just go away. Every time she's up for parole they will have to go through it all over again. She will adjust and learn to be happy again, and, to me, she does not deserve one single second of happiness.

 

[Curious Me]

She'll be happy again? Someone who doesn't feel is never as happy as someone who can feel, IMO.

 

[TigerBalm]

Madeline:

A quick question----> what was it that TA did that caused JA to slash his tires? It must've been something that incited rage as an attempt by TA to distance himself from JA, no?

He decided to leave Jodi and the next day his tires were slashed, according to his friend Dr. Karl Hiatt.
Then the following Sunday, Travis told them about it and said don't be surprised if one of these Sundays I don't show up and you find me dead some place.
They thought or wow she must really be mad.
Travis said I'm serious!
But they never thought THAT kind of serious.
Looking back now they realize he really did have some fear in trying to depart from her.

(he says more in the video)
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/01/11/did-travis-alexander-predict-his-own-death?hpt=hln10_2