Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[rmt]

In that respect, all multi level marketing is a scam.

The actual product Pre paid law services are pretty good depending on what company. I know lots of foster parents that purchased it because of false allegations and the nature of fostercare. .


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My mother signed up with PPL and said she was satisfied with it (I had never heard of it before).

 

[BritsKate]

Funny in the phone conversation with LE Jodi mentions how good Travis is!

ETA: She said these things in her multiple interviews too!

I really don't remember where but the gist of the story is she said all those glowing things about him because she didn't want to disrespect his memory and therefore hurt his friends and family.

Jodi. Ever the considerate one.

Legacy entry:

Travis, what can I say to you that I haven't already said? I am so grateful for the endless hours of conversation and amazing experiences we've shared. Thank you for having the courage to share the Gospel with me. You've had one of the greatest impacts on my life, and have forever altered it's course for the better. I love you, my friend, and always will.
~
Jodi Arias,
Yreka, California

Read more at http://www.mstarz.com/articles/7486...ad-legacy-com-website.htm#bXfUUaKdmoKKcJiy.99

 

[manzana]

It was added to the media thread by a mod. And there are two tabs on the timeline - if you click references on it there are links available to back the timeline up. HTH

Thank you, but I knew there was a list of references, what I mentioned was a direct link to fact check, the way it is done is a little like looking for a needle in a haystack thus what I said poor IMO


However I can not recall the countless number of posts referring to Travis claiming to be a virgin, I have asked for links. Sure was not on his Myspace, nor his blog, did a search of every entry for word virgin and not once did that word appear. Really I do not care one way or the other if he was or not BUT to read through countless posts about his supposed virginity is a little tiring. Also if he was not a virgin, this is not a flaw and it is tiring to see him being referred to as having flaws.

 

[popsicle]

Description of this video says that Jodi's Youtube account "jodiannarrias" uploaded this video a week after she killed him.

http://www.youtube.com/user/jodiannarias

Video of Travis Alexander Uploaded By Jodi Arias From Her Youtube Account - YouTube


Justice4Travis
http://www.youtube.com/user/Justice4Travis/videos?view=0&flow=grid

I truly believe that this whole trial is feeding into her obsession of him, even after all this time.

 

[borndem]

Not a very accurate listing though 900 some square feet

Here is one that reflects the square footage 3,600

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11428-E-Queensborough-Ave-Mesa-AZ-85212/55275691_zpid/

Not a very expensive home, it fact the one Jodi was in was valued at 150,000 more when they purchased it, then the housing boom and it devalued quite a bit.

If TA's house was truly a foreclosure, and it looks as if it is, the "owner" offers it for sale for only the payoff amount plus any insurance or any other costs associated with it -- any amount in excess of the true payoff must be paid back to the owner of the house when it was foreclosed. So, we really have no idea what a regular sale through a realtor would be -- other than the comparables we have seen.

 

[jacct]

When the Defense Attorney says Jodi did it and there is no question about that, where did that come from? I know Jodi had to admit she was at Travis' home because of camera pics, handprint in blood and her blood being present. I am just not getting this part that she confessed, but not to police. Is there somewhere I can read about this? Thanks

The first time it is mentioned in the court minutes is on 3/9/12 where there are oral arguments on a defense motion to preclude the State from referring to Travis Alexander as a victim. The Court ruled on this motion on 3/12: " Court has considered Defense motion in limine to preclude references to Mr. Alexander as the "Victim" as defendant Arias argues she would be prejudiced by premitting the State and witnesses to refer to Mr. Alexander as the victim since it is contrary to her claim of self defense. State argues Mr. Alexander was murdered and thus he is a "victim" of a criminal act. Court finds defendant failed to establish she will be prejudiced, State's evidence will show that Mr. Alexander was the victim of a homicide. Defendant will argue she acted in self defense and was justified in her actions. Court finds that referring to Mr. Alexander as the "Victim" will not unfairly prejudice the defendant. The Court will give an appropriate preliminary jury instruction to define the word "Victim" to the jury to address any potential prejudice. Motion denied."

Link to the court minutes: http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/032012/m5153828.pdf

The second time it is mentioned in the court minutes is on 9/25/12 in a Defense motion to preclude the State from arguing lack of remorse in a potential penalty phase of the trial. Court ruling on motion:"Court has considered Defense motion to reconsider Defense motion to preclude State from arguing lack of remorse during any potential sentencing phase. Defendant argues she intends to assert at trial that she acted in self-defense and that her actions were justified. If convicted Defendant will continue to assert she is not guilty at all phases of her trial. Consequently defendant argues State should not be permitted to comment on her assertions of innocence by arguing lack of remorse. State argues that if the defendant is convicted of murder the State may properly comment on her lack of remorse as fair rebuttal to her allocution. Court does not know how the facts at trial will unfold, Court is deferring it ruling on this issue. Parties will be given opportunity argue the issue before any comment on lack of remorse is made in the sentencing phase."

Link to court minutes:http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/092012/m5438577.pdf

 

[popsicle]

Thank you, but I knew there was a list of references, what I mentioned was a direct link to fact check, the way it is done is a little like looking for a needle in a haystack thus what I said poor IMO


However I can not recall the countless number of posts referring to Travis claiming to be a virgin, I have asked for links. Sure was not on his Myspace, nor his blog, did a search of every entry for word virgin and not once did that word appear. Really I do not care one way or the other if he was or not BUT to read through countless posts about his supposed virginity is a little tiring. Also if he was not a virgin, this is not a flaw and it is tiring to see him being referred to as having flaws.

There is a huge difference between discussing something and stating something like you have inside information or even intimating that you have inside knowledge. You do understand that though, right?

 

[BritsKate]

I don't know if anyone responded to this since this is the farthest I've read thus far but perhaps she is referring to a quote and link I posted earlier.

"And I think the way it played out is it seemed like those intentions were just to be really close to Travis. And I think, looking back, it seemed like she just wanted to be the one that got him, because he was always flirting with lots of girls and going on lots of dates with lots of girls and very flirtatious and social. And I think it was kind of a trophy or a catch for her to try and stake her claim.

So that`s kind of the vibe I always got from her. And I didn`t really like how she went about it. "

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...4/ijvm.01.html

She was asking about blogs of Travis' friends. One stated he teased her too much but also said a lot of wonderful things about him. Friends blog links I've sleuthed out so far:
Ex-girlfriend: http://lisa-andrews.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Travis Alexander
Female friend: http://thekatiedid.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/to-my-t-dogg.html
Female friend: http://dianalilly.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/innocent-until-proven-guilty.html
Male friend (and man who gave eulogy): http://mort-report.blogspot.co.uk/2008_06_01_archive.html

And even more tributes can be found on his memorial facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/33785181856/

Last link - a blog offering case updates: http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/ (Donchais' blog, a spinoff of Sprocket's Trials & Tribulations)

 

[Karmady]

If TA's house was truly a foreclosure, and it looks as if it is, the "owner" offers it for sale for only the payoff amount plus any insurance or any other costs associated with it -- any amount in excess of the true payoff must be paid back to the owner of the house when it was foreclosed. So, we really have no idea what a regular sale through a realtor would be -- other than the comparables we have seen.

Reading the link together with the public records, Travis bought the home new in 2004 for $249,9k and financed 100% of the purchase price in two separate notes. In 2007, he re-fi'd, increasing the total mortgage to $336k --about $31k less than the zillow "value" of the home at that time. At the time of the re-fi, the re market was already on the steady decline, though.

It was foreclosed after he died and was re-sold, presumbaly by the bank in 2009 (although I didn't look at those records).

eta: at the time of his death, the house was worth (according to Zillow) almost exactly what he owed on it.

 

[tang]

I just finished watching the Nancy Grace specials on this case and the biggest thing I can't get over is how much JA LOVES to hear herself talk. I wonder if LE finds that a lot of these high-ego killers tend to run-off at the mouth.

I also happened to catch an episode of Stalked that reported the story of Alberto Benitez of Kingsville Texas. He also was stalked to the extreme by an ex girlfriend and is lucky to be alive. I agree that the media seems to report more on the female victims but its just as horrific to hear about the others.

Thanks for welcoming me to your board. Hope you all have a great weekend.

 

[3trees]

I wonder if TA didn't report all the stalkerish, malicious things JA did because of the sexual relationship they had. That this would then become a recorded document on something he wanted to remain a secret.
I too wondered about the pigtails only in the fact that her defense brought the recorded phone sex.
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From defense:
And then, when Jodi pretends to climax during this phone call, Travis tells her that she sounds like a 12-year-old girl who was having an orgasm for the first time. And then he tells her, "It`s so hot."

I said I was nervous about the pigtails because of it seemed this was the way they were going in their blaming the victim defense.

As far as a death penalty case? This is one and she deserves this sentence. She actually deserves the old Russian version where after the judge declares it they remove you from the court room and carry out the sentence in a room down the hall.

 

[TorisMom003]

Since Jodi went through Travis's phone, computer and who knows what else, I think that it is very likely that she also went through his wallet and found a slip of paper there with the PIN number to his account. Hubby and I were talking about this the other day. I know when we get a new PIN number I have to keep it in my wallet for a period of time until I know it by heart. That slip of paper is there just in case. I really doubt that Travis trusted Jodi enough with something as important as that.

MOO

 

[borndem]

I would want to know how many opportunities Jodi had to text herself from his phone and sent messages to herself via his computer. I think in some respects she is very very smart. Somehow I think Jodi acquired this information by snooping; I don't think Travis gave it to her because I seem to remember somewhere it said he was mad that she hacked into something and went off on her about privacy. Like I said, she is very very smart.

If TA ever left his house, and his computer was at home, she

could have slithered and snaked :snake: in through the doggy door at any time...

And that's just plain creepy. <shiver:coldout:>

 

[Karmady]

Just thinking more about Travis's house and the real estate market and the motive for the crime, it strikes me that there is no way Travis could have bought that house on 100% financing, then re-fi'd for another almost $100k two years later in a normal market. Especially if he was working on commissions and/or was self-employed. I wonder if he decorated the house so nicely and bought a lot of other stuff with the money he took out in the re-fi. I know SO many people who did that b/c they thought the bubble would never burst, and found themselves underwater in the six-figures and foreclosed. Apparently, Jodi thought he was a great catch based, at least in part, on the trappings of success. Which really were probably more the product of an artificially inflated real estate market than on Travis earning the really big bucks. Not saying he wasn't successful. Just saying I think he fell into the same trap a lot of folks did wrt to livin' large at that time in the economy. Especially in AZ. Plus, I didn't realize how far out there that home is. The builders went crazy all over the valley during the boom, and houses even way out that way were selling for way more than they were or are worth b/c most peeps couldn't touch a new home closer in.

 

[BritsKate]

I wonder if TA didn't report all the stalkerish, malicious things JA did because of the sexual relationship they had. That this would then become a recorded document on something he wanted to remain a secret.
I too wondered about the pigtails only in the fact that her defense brought the recorded phone sex.
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From defense:
And then, when Jodi pretends to climax during this phone call, Travis tells her that she sounds like a 12-year-old girl who was having an orgasm for the first time. And then he tells her, "It`s so hot."

I said I was nervous about the pigtails because of it seemed this was the way they were going in their blaming the victim defense.

As far as a death penalty case? This is one and she deserves this sentence. She actually deserves the old Russian version where after the judge declares it they remove you from the court room and carry out the sentence in a room down the hall.

I think that's very, very possible. So much of Travis' life was wrapped up around his faith I think it could have destroyed him.

Does anyone else find it odd that that's the phone call she opted to record? (Maybe there are others and I don't know about it?:waitasec

I too believe Jodi wants to portray Travis as a pedophile or sexual deviant even further evidenced by attempting to have those forged letters entered into evidence.

August 16, 2011 &#8211; A request to admit letters that Arias claimed to receive from Alexander prior to his death was denied. In the letters, Alexander allegedly admitted to being a pedophile. Prosecutor Juan Martinez told the court that the letters were tested and found to be forgeries. After the ruling, Arias told Judge Stephens that she was "over her head." The judge then reinstated her defense counsel.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/jodi-arias-timeline_n_2387245.html

 

[3trees]

Recording phone calls and all the other things she did shows that she was a planner. She wanted documented proof for everything, even if she had to make it up herself. Her being into photography was almost as though she had to document everything in her life in order to prove something, anything. I wonder if photoshop delighted her or pissed her off?

 

[Karmady]

August 16, 2011 – A request to admit letters that Arias claimed to receive from Alexander prior to his death was denied. In the letters, Alexander allegedly admitted to being a pedophile. Prosecutor Juan Martinez told the court that the letters were tested and found to be forgeries. After the ruling, Arias told Judge Stephens that she was "over her head." The judge then reinstated her defense counsel.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/jodi-arias-timeline_n_2387245.html

~sbm

Did the lawyers themselves ever move to get those letters admitted before or after they were tested and determined, at least by the prosecution, to be forgeries? I think it's highly likely that her lawyers refused to try to get the letters admitted and Jodi represented herself on that motion with the specific intent of getting her lawyers back if it was denied. Or maybe even if it wasn't. A pro se litigant has a MUCH better chance of obtainining ridiculously favorable rulings and stands almost no chance of being denied counsel even if they fire them once (or even more than once) in a dp case. I'm sure her lawyers told her that. Plus, that way the lawyers didn't have to put their own licenses on the line trying to admit documents they knew or believed to be false. Also, jodi thinking that anything is to much for her to handle seems highly unlikely, but I'm pretty sure she'd say it if it served her purpose. jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks wasn't enough for this post!
This is an issue that's very important to me but it's difficult to convince people that the problem is real as the myth of male victimization is so engrained in society, as I wrote in my post upthread.

I think if we look at more "traditional victims" (women and children) and how society responds to them, we can guage why there's such a problem for men.

When a woman is in a domestic violence relationship, there's often a good deal of blame and questioning of her.
"Why do you stick around?" "Why don't you leave?" "Why do you keep coming back?" "You must like how he treats you." "I would never stay." "I'm too strong to ever let a man treat me like that." "It must not be that bad."
LE often questions these women, if there's no witness or physical proof it's hard to prove the abuse. Verbal or psychological manipulation and abuse are hard to substantiate. Involving LE often sets off the abuser. It's embarrassing and shameful. It's a cycle, part of the relationship is comfortable and familiar while there's dysfunction and who knows what else that keeps the victim paralyzed.

Snipped for space..........

TY.

I have read about criminal cases for over three decades and one of the glaring things I have noticed along the way is the vast difference in how society preceives males who are victims of abuse from females.... from females suffering the same fate from a male. Admittedly it has made me angry for many years and has been one of my pet peeves. Everyone who suffers any kind of abuse deserves the same consideration in our justice system ....the gender should be irrelevant.

I am naive I suppose to really believe in 'justice for ALL' but this is what I truly believe and want to see happen in our country. I have read many heartbreaking stories about men who were emotionally, physically, and sexually abused ..some of them even by their own mother. The inner scars, fear, humilation, shame, and inner pain they experience are no different than when women endures the same except it seems females have a stronger support group and will tell what happened to them more often. No wonder males are 10 times more likely to contemplate suicide and carry it out if they are victims of sexual abuse. They feel all alone and many times they are.

Our society as a whole sends such a wrong message about males who are sexually abused by females. The male is supposed to feel lucky by society's standards and when they dont feel that way they are ridiculed and then they believe something has to be wrong with them rather than their abuser. Accused over and over that they had to have wanted it or it wouldnt have happened.

I have even been shocked and sickened by seeing some say a man cant even be raped or seriously physically abused by a smaller female and these opinions werent said years ago......they have continued to be said even when all should know better by now, imo. With ignorance comes biases, imo. It also shows why men are the least likely ones to report abuse done by a female. Has society's views caused them to be reluctant to do so? Imo, yes. Most of the time they are not believed even if they do tell.

One thing my own experience with my ex did not do..it did not leave me with personal biases against (any nor all) males in general. After three years I actually forgave my ex and he is no longer the man he once was. If I had been so closed minded I would have missed the love of my life who I have been happily married to for almost 30 years. I wish things had turned out the same way for Travis and wish he had a chance to find the love of his dreams.

I have no doubt that Travis was psychologically and sexually abused by Jodi Arias. All the red flags are there. He was fearful of his murderess or he would have never told his friends that he felt she was going to kill him. He saw the eratic and violent behavior esculating just like I did in my situation. My fear was well founded because after 10 and a half months after I left my ex he tried to kill me and almost succeeded. Did I report him to the police before that happened no matter how much he abused me? No, I protected his secret for years due to the paralyzing fear I had of him. Once he hurt me so badly that it required intensive care treatment for three weeks it was out of my hands and in the hands of the justice system which was a turning point in my life.

Imo, Jodi Arias is gulty of murder one.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Snipped for space..........

TY.

I have read about criminal cases for over three decades and one of the glaring things I have noticed along the way is the vast difference in how society preceives males who are victims of abuse from females.... from females suffering the same fate from a male. Admittedly it has made me angry for many years and has been one of my pet peeves. Everyone who suffers any kind of abuse deserves the same consideration in our justice system ....the gender should be irrelevant.

I am naive I suppose to really believe in 'justice for ALL' but this is what I truly believe and want to see happen in our country. I have read many heartbreaking stories about men who were emotionally, physically, and sexually abused ..some of them even by their own mother. The inner scars, fear, humilation, shame, and inner pain they experience are no different than when women endures the same except it seems females have a stronger support group and will tell what happened to them more often. No wonder males are 10 times more likely to contemplate suicide and carry it out if they are victims of sexual abuse. They feel all alone and many times they are.

Our society as a whole sends such a wrong message about males who are sexually abused by females. The male is supposed to feel lucky by society's standards and when they dont feel that way they are ridiculed and then they believe something has to be wrong with them rather than their abuser. Accused over and over that they had to have wanted it or it wouldnt have happened.

I have even been shocked and sickened by seeing some say a man cant even be raped or seriously physically abused by a smaller female and these opinions werent said years ago......they have continued to be said even when all should know better by now, imo. With ignorance comes biases, imo. It also shows why men are the least likely ones to report abuse done by a female. Has society's views caused them to be reluctant to do so? Imo, yes. Most of the time they are not believed even if they do tell.

One thing my own experience with my ex did not do..it did not leave me with personal biases against (any nor all) males in general. After three years I actually forgave my ex and he is no longer the man he once was. If I had been so closed minded I would have missed the love of my life who I have been happily married to for almost 30 years. I wish things had turned out the same way for Travis and wish he had a chance to find the love of his dreams.

I have no doubt that Travis was psychologically and sexually abused by Jodi Arias. All the red flags are there. He was fearful of his murderess or he would have never told his friends that he felt she was going to kill him. He saw the eratic and violent behavior esculating just like I did in my situation. My fear was well founded because after 10 and a half months after I left my ex he tried to kill me and almost succeeded. Did I report him to the police before that happened no matter how much he abused me? No, I protected his secret for years due to the paralyzing fear I had of him. Once he hurt me so badly that it required intensive care treatment for three weeks it was out of my hands and in the hands of the justice system which was a turning point in my life.

Imo, Jodi Arias is gulty of murder one.

Amazingly Excellent Post!

Thanks button wasn't enough!


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[alwaysonmymind]

If TA ever left his house, and his computer was at home, she

could have slithered and snaked :snake: in through the doggy door at any time...

And that's just plain creepy. <shiver:coldout:>

IMO, she wouldn't wait for him to leave the house. I can see her sneaking into his personal belongings while hd showered, went to the restroom, checked the mail, let the dog out, emptied the dishwasher...


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