Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[SDT]

I want to see any emails or text exchanges that shows Travis even knew she was in the area much less coming to his home.

I suspect we will learn there was not and he did not invite her there nor knew she was going to 'Glenn Close' him again by just appearing.

IMO

I agree. All of this speculation on my part at this time since we have not seen the defense and any counter attack of TA email, texts, etc.

There may be none at all. In that case, I will admit that my speculation was completely off.

The one thing I want to point out is that we have not seen an ex step forward and say he tried like he** to get rid of this girl and she started stalking him or wouldn't take "no" for an answer. I would be curious if she has had a pattern of this kind of behavior????

 

[Carioca]

Absolutely not! She had mentioned in one of her lengthy gab sessions to someone that she used to often sneak into his house and surprise him in bed. I think that this is what she did that night and found him on the computer. I think the fact that they didn't have sex that night was a good indication that Travis TRIED to keep his distance from her. I even doubt that they went upstairs and slept together until 1:00 pm in the afternoon. I think he stayed on the couch and let her have the bed.

I think that it startled her that he was up at 4:00 am when she got there as this was when she probably planned to shoot him, while he slept. She had to alter her plans at this point.

When they woke up, I believe that she did what was her "go to" practice of seducing him with sex. At this point, I don't think that any of it was about sex, but for Jodi to complete the project she came there for, to kill him. I believe this is partially why everything was so chaotic, because she had originally planned to kill him in his sleep and when this didn't happen, she had to kind of play it by ear.

BBM
Thank you everyone for keeping up with the events! My apologies if the following questions have been discussed before:

1. How do we know they didn't have sex that night (I guess you mean the night of his death, June 3 to June 4)?
2. "I think that it startled her that he was up at 4:00 am when she got there.." She got there at 4AM right before she murdered him?? Do we know this as fact?
3. In a photo of her dragging him, her hair is dark. Anyone know when she reportedly dyed her hair? Was it dark when she met up with RH (RM?) the next day?
4. Could she have been with TA that afternoon with blond hair, they had sex as per photos, then she left and sneaked back in, this time with dark hair, around 4AM wearing the dark pants and shoes? Premeditated first degree murder...
TIA -

 

[rmt]

Absolutely not! She had mentioned in one of her lengthy gab sessions to someone that she used to often sneak into his house and surprise him in bed. I think that this is what she did that night and found him on the computer. I think the fact that they didn't have sex that night was a good indication that Travis TRIED to keep his distance from her. I even doubt that they went upstairs and slept together until 1:00 pm in the afternoon. I think he stayed on the couch and let her have the bed.

I think that it startled her that he was up at 4:00 am when she got there as this was when she probably planned to shoot him, while he slept. She had to alter her plans at this point.

When they woke up, I believe that she did what was her "go to" practice of seducing him with sex. At this point, I don't think that any of it was about sex, but for Jodi to complete the project she came there for, to kill him. I believe this is partially why everything was so chaotic, because she had originally planned to kill him in his sleep and when this didn't happen, she had to kind of play it by ear.

Interesting.

That would make a lot sense. She told Ryan Burns she would there that morning. She thought she could sneak in as she always had and kill him in his sleep. And head to Salt Lake and only be a few hours late and the receipt trail wouldn't have looked that strange.

Hmm...my only question now is where did she get the knife? Was it his?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think she got in by telling him she wanted to drop off a check for the car. Something along the lines of, I'm going through Mesa on my way to see my new bf in Utah.
Then, once inside the home, she sold him on the sex one more time. I think he was always attracted to her, so not a hard sale. I think he was way out of his league with her. If roles had been reversed, we would not be watching him exhibit anything like the emotional control that JA had exhibited beginning immediately after the homicide.

I think you are right.

She is a great manipulator imo.

She probably was sweet as pie and told him since she had driven so far to see him why not have sex for the last time. I can see her talking him into it and saying "Travis please do it for me one last time..what is it going to hurt and no one will know I was even here.'

 

[BritsKate]

Travis is Mormon. Jodi becomes Mormon.
Travis buys a house in Mesa. Jodi moves to Mesa.
Travis is a higher up at PPL. Jodi at least says she works at PPL. (Myspace)
Travis starts a blog. Jodi starts a blog. A week later.
Travis writes about what he wants in a wife. He is dead weeks later.
(And in looking at their myspace pages it is uber creepy how many books, movies, etc they share in common.)

http://womantowomansite.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/domestic-violence-stalking-as-form-of.html
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Having been in an abusive marriage I just can't see Travis as anything other than a victim of psychological abuse for months leading up to his murder. I can't. (For all the reasons Lotus, Gitana, and Ocean have so eloquently already stated.) Stalking, cyber-stalking, and harassment are all forms of psychological abuse in my opinion.

Lots of people questioned why I stayed too but there are days even I don't know. At one point I loved him and he knew exactly what to say, what to do, to keep me there another day. If that didn't work then he would threaten to harm himself. If that too failed he would threaten to expose my history to ensure I couldn't get custody of our children. It was an endless cycle of hope and fear, promises and coercion. And always, always manipulation.

 

[KMouse]

I agree. I think she did it right after convincing him that she wanted to take pictures of him in the shower because she liked the droplets and wanted a picture (or however she put it).

I think he was stabbed in the heart, he tried to defend himself and got the wounds to his hands, he stumbled out of the shower and aspirated on the sink and mirror before he fell in the hall face down and was stabbed in the back on the floor. She drug him back to the shower and cut his throat. When he didn't die right away...she grabbed the stolen gun and delivered the final shot.

Winner winner chicken dinner!!!:rocker:

 

[SDT]

Travis is Mormon. Jodi becomes Mormon.
Travis buys a house in Mesa. Jodi moves to Mesa.
Travis is a higher up at PPL. Jodi at least says she works at PPL. (Myspace)
Travis starts a blog. Jodi starts a blog. A week later.
Travis writes about what he wants in a wife. He is dead weeks later.
(And in looking at their myspace pages it is uber creepy how many books, movies, etc they share in common.)

http://womantowomansite.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/domestic-violence-stalking-as-form-of.html
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Having been in an abusive marriage I just can't see Travis as anything other than a victim of psychological abuse for months leading up to his murder. I can't. (For all the reasons Lotus, Gitana, and Ocean have so eloquently already stated.) Stalking, cyber-stalking, and harassment are all forms of psychological abuse in my opinion.

Lots of people questioned why I stayed too but there are days even I don't know. At one point I loved him and he knew exactly what to say, what to do, to keep me there another day. If that didn't work then he would threaten to harm himself. If that too failed he would threaten to expose my history to ensure I couldn't get custody of our children. It was an endless cycle of hope and fear, promises and coercion. And always, always manipulation.

Thank you for sharing! It is crazy what "love" will make us do.

 

[BritsKate]

I understand that Travis alleged that JA had stolen his journals right about the same time she slashed his tires. I see in some of the official docs that JA was trying to have 'journals' admitted, and it appeared to be also around the same time as the alleged letters written by TA (found to be JA's handwriting). Looks like the journals will not be part of the trial, but wonder where there are? And I wonder what they say?

Regardless of what they say I believe Jodi stole them (and likely hacked his online accounts) as a way of gathering intelligence on him. Whether there were embarrassing things he'd written about or just a list of favorite foods...I think she would've used whatever she learned to manipulate him.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Interesting.

That would make a lot sense. She told Ryan Burns she would there that morning. She thought she could sneak in as she always had and kill him in his sleep. And head to Salt Lake and only be a few hours late and the receipt trail wouldn't have looked that strange.

Hmm...my only question now is where did she get the knife? Was it his?

Imo it was a K-bar kind of knife. The blade is 6.5 inches long ( I measured my hubby's knife blade last night ) and its about 2 inches wide which is consistent to what the ME described. It is a military knife making me wonder if her grandfather may have been in the military. It is not only an extremely sharp battle knife but it does not bend or flex either. Our son who was in the Marine Corps for many years bought one for my hubby.

If it was his then why would she take it with her if it truly belonged to him?

After all she is saying this was self defense so it certainly would have been better if Travis ever own a knife like he was murdered with. The logical explanation is she brought the knife and gun with her and took them both when she left. She could have bleached the knife and put it back in place at her grandparents home. They did not do a SW of the grandparents home until much later. Or they can be bought pretty much anywhere now and she could have paid cash for the purchase.

IMO

 

[norest4thewicked]

BBM
Thank you everyone for keeping up with the events! My apologies if the following questions have been discussed before:

1. How do we know they didn't have sex that night (I guess you mean the night of his death, June 3 to June 4)?

My understanding is that she arrived about 3-4 am. I don't have a link but it's been said several times on here and on other forums that I'm on that he was at the computer when she arrived. It also has been said that she was "too tired for sex, so they went to sleep". I will try to find a link for you.


2. "I think that it startled her that he was up at 4:00 am when she got there.." She got there at 4AM right before she murdered him?? Do we know this as fact?

No, thus the words "I think" at the beginning of my sentence. This is my theory.


3. In a photo of her dragging him, her hair is dark. Anyone know when she reportedly dyed her hair? Was it dark when she met up with RH (RM?) the next day?

The photo of her dragging him only shows her pant leg and shoe. Her hair is not in it. It was dark the next day.


4. Could she have been with TA that afternoon with blond hair, they had sex as per photos, then she left and sneaked back in, this time with dark hair, around 4AM wearing the dark pants and shoes? Premeditated first degree murder...
TIA -

I suppose anything is possible. I do believe that this was premeditated and that she came in the middle of the night SPECIFICALLY to murder him.

 

[human]

Because my ex did the same thing to me ALL THE TIME. He would send me nasty texts and say he was done...only to turn around a few days later to say that he missed me and he wanted to see me. I would go running back like a complete fool every time.

I don't think TA abused her, but I think he played games with her. This is all my opinion only.

I don't think he was playing games. I think he was leading a double life.

How often have we seen that with men of great standing whose secret life has been revealed. Think of Sandusky. Not that I am comparing a pedo to TA. Then all of those preachers whose names I have forgotten.

TA had very clear standards in his church that he was not upholding.

How he dealt with that problem spiritually in his own head, who knows.

What society thinks of his sexual practices matters not. It is what he knew were supposed to be his directives of a chaste life. His because of his religious choice.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Arias caught in another lie



more in link, including photos
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/10/arias-caught-another-lie

The only 'Margaritaville' I know of is in Key West and run by the artist, Jimmy Boffett, who sang the song by the same title. Interesting about that song. Listen to it. First he sings about people thinking some woman's to blame but he doesn't think it's anyone's fault, then he suggests he11 it could be his fault and finally the last stanza:

Some people claim that there's a woman to blame
But I know it's my own damn fault
Yes and some people claim that there's a woman to blame
And I know it's my own damn fault

Maybe that was Jodi Arias's anthem to the world. It wasn't her fault. He got what he deserved.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Interesting.

That would make a lot sense. She told Ryan Burns she would there that morning. She thought she could sneak in as she always had and kill him in his sleep. And head to Salt Lake and only be a few hours late and the receipt trail wouldn't have looked that strange.

Hmm...my only question now is where did she get the knife? Was it his?

BBM - Bingo! I think that the fact that he was awake when she got there really threw her off her game.

She could easily have gotten the knife from his kitchen. She had all night after she got there and they didn't have sex to get a Plan B into motion.

 

[Isabelle]

She did have injuries -- specifically, a couple cuts to her hand that had bandages on. If she had other injuries, those are unknown. Same as OJ Simpson - he had that big cut to the knuckle of one finger after stabbing 2 people to death and slitting their throats.

I would expect cuts to her hands as they and the knife she was using became soaked in blood would have made for an extremely slippery situation. Blood seems to have more slip than oil. This from my experience in the ER.

 

[Isabelle]

The only 'Margaritaville' I know of is in Key West and run by the artist, Jimmy Boffett, who sang the song by the same title. Interesting about that song. Listen to it. First he sings about people thinking some woman's to blame but he doesn't think it's anyone's fault, then he suggests he11 it could be his fault and finally the last stanza:

Some people claim that there's a woman to blame
But I know it's my own damn fault
Yes and some people claim that there's a woman to blame
And I know it's my own damn fault

Maybe that was Jodi Arias's anthem to the world. It wasn't her fault. He got what he deserved.

We have a Margaritaville (Buffett's) in the French Quarter in New Orleans.

 

[SDT]

We have a Margaritaville (Buffett's) in the French Quarter in New Orleans.

They have one in the Cancun airport. I ate there in July on the way back from Mexico.

 

[Isabelle]

What day was it that Travis was to go to Cancun?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree. All of this speculation on my part at this time since we have not seen the defense and any counter attack of TA email, texts, etc.

There may be none at all. In that case, I will admit that my speculation was completely off.

The one thing I want to point out is that we have not seen an ex step forward and say he tried like he** to get rid of this girl and she started stalking him or wouldn't take "no" for an answer. I would be curious if she has had a pattern of this kind of behavior????

BBM

Sometimes they can become obsessed with one person and they werent that way before or after in other relationships.

The reason I say this my ex-husband was a jealous obsessed fanatic during our marriage even though I never gave him one reason to be. He had been married before and had other girlfriend relationships before we married. He was not jealous of them in the least nor is he jealous of his present girlfriend.

Why he became that way with me still remains a mystery to me somewhat.

IMO

 

[norest4thewicked]

We have a Margaritaville here in Nashville.

 

[Davia18]

[/QUOTE]Having been in an abusive marriage I just can't see Travis as anything other than a victim of psychological abuse for months leading up to his murder. I can't. (For all the reasons Lotus, Gitana, and Ocean have so eloquently already stated.) Stalking, cyber-stalking, and harassment are all forms of psychological abuse in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I also was in an abusive marriage and I deff agree !