Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[SDT]

BBM

Sometimes they can become obsessed with one person and they werent that way before or after in other relationships.

The reason I say this my ex-husband was a jealous obsessed fanatic during our marriage even though I never gave him one reason to be. He had been married before and had other girlfriend relationships before we married. He was not jealous of them in the least nor is he jealous of his present girlfriend.

Why he became that way with me still remains a mystery to me somewhat.

IMO

You are killing my theories!! You must stop at once

 

[Madeleine74]

It appears with the amount of bloodletting in the hallway and near his bedroom, that she probably sliced his throat outside of the shower and further away than what some may be thinking. In that picture that was taken where her leg appears in front, we can see a large amount of blood streaming back over TA's shoulder. That is coming from a neck wound, and it's what the M.E. thinks as well.

Trying to speculate on the exact sequence of the crime is difficult at best, and especially so without having all the info. The experts who have studied the scene and are testifying are giving their best -- I would take them at their word.

The M.E. has gone on official record that T.A. was shot last. The crime scene analyst/expert said there was no "red substance" on top of the bullet casing and it landed on blood that was already there. That means TA was *not* shot first.

All one has to do is see the big pools of blood that were left to understand some of the most serious stabbing/slicing took place outside of the shower and further down the hall.

 

[rmt]

What day was it that Travis was to go to Cancun?

I believe the very next day

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think he was playing games. I think he was leading a double life.

How often have we seen that with men of great standing whose secret life has been revealed. Think of Sandusky. Not that I am comparing a pedo to TA. Then all of those preachers whose names I have forgotten.

TA had very clear standards in his church that he was not upholding.

How he dealt with that problem spiritually in his own head, who knows.

What society thinks of his sexual practices matters not. It is what he knew were supposed to be his directives of a chaste life. His because of his religious choice.

Well I certainly dont. People that lead double lives dont tell their closest friends what is going on in their lives and that they have had sex with a woman who is now stalking them and slashing tires. He seemed to be very open to me and thank goodness he had many conversations about Jodi with those close to him and I expect some of the closest friends will testify to what they knew and what he told them.

IMO

 

[Isabelle]

I can't believe she is so much like CA, in that we really don't know anything about her history, school, work, etc. I hope the guy she lived with for some time is a witness.

 

[SDT]

I have not seen that picture and have only gotten to see about 75% of the testimony so far (I am at work). Thank you for the post and I will be sure to pay closer attention to all the previous posts and testimony.

 

[Isabelle]

Having been in an abusive marriage I just can't see Travis as anything other than a victim of psychological abuse for months leading up to his murder. I can't. (For all the reasons Lotus, Gitana, and Ocean have so eloquently already stated.) Stalking, cyber-stalking, and harassment are all forms of psychological abuse in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I also was in an abusive marriage and I deff agree ![/QUOTE]

Agree. He was said to be a great businessman, friend, teacher who cared about others needs. What we don't know is how he really felt deep down, was he really all that in private or was he very vulnerable. As it is said, "All the world is a stage!"

ETA: I never understood the world as a stage until I lost my 22 yr old son. I have realized over the 9 years since his death that I am an actor on that stage. I am me when I am alone and I am who I am expected to be in public or at work.

 

[Gracelin]

I agree. All of this speculation on my part at this time since we have not seen the defense and any counter attack of TA email, texts, etc.

There may be none at all. In that case, I will admit that my speculation was completely off.

The one thing I want to point out is that we have not seen an ex step forward and say he tried like he** to get rid of this girl and she started stalking him or wouldn't take "no" for an answer. I would be curious if she has had a pattern of this kind of behavior????

BBM My hubby keeps asking me the same question.Doe she have a old boyfriend who is lucky to be alive?

 

[rmt]

Does any one have the ME's bio that appeared a while back?

 

[Isabelle]

I believe the very next day

The day of his death would make a lot of sense then.

 

[Madeleine74]

Travis was the victim of a murder, but he wasn't a victim of a relationship. He decided to keep seeing/interacting with/and having sex with Jodi Arias after he decided to stop and told her to stay away from him. She wasn't forcing him to do *those* things (like have sex). Entice him? Yes of course. But he was an adult who could make decisions. She did illegal things (slash his tires, break into his house) and he didn't report it to the police, didn't change his locks, didn't change the PINs on his bank account or garage, didn't change his online accounts. Those things (lack of action) were his responses.

For whatever reason he was not in fear and he didn't want to involve the police to make it stop. That's on Travis. He could have attempted several things to get things to stop. He didn't.

He's not responsible for his own death, but he is responsible for his own dealings with this unstable/obsessive woman. He couldn't control *her* but he was in charge of himself and he decided to keep seeing her regardless of how she got into his house/his bed/uninvited.

 

[Nana46]

Does anyone know if Ryan Burns contacted the police or did Jodi try to just use him as an alibi and that is how the police found out about her visit to him? Thanks if anyone knows.

 

[Davia18]

BBM

Sometimes they can become obsessed with one person and they werent that way before or after in other relationships.

The reason I say this my ex-husband was a jealous obsessed fanatic during our marriage even though I never gave him one reason to be. He had been married before and had other girlfriend relationships before we married. He was not jealous of them in the least nor is he jealous of his present girlfriend.

Why he became that way with me still remains a mystery to me somewhat.

IMO

JMO she may have been so obsessed with TA because he may have been the only man to ever reject her. While others may have been infacuated with her TA was not. I think MOO she was just a good time at that time. Someone who lived in a diff state he could have fun with. JMO

 

[nursebeeme]

rmt, it may be in the timeline thread

let me look

(I am listening to day one audio now... if anyone hasn't done so it is well worth it! The defense lays out what they plan on doing to TA during their CIC It is going to get ugly)

 

[Isabelle]

They have one in the Cancun airport. I ate there in July on the way back from Mexico.

Had Jodi been to Cancun with Travis at all? That would be very interesting.

 

[Isabelle]

rmt, it may be in the timeline thread

let me look

(I am listening to day one audio now... if anyone hasn't done so it is well worth it! The defense lays out what they plan on doing to TA during their CIC It is going to get ugly)

Am gonna do same. thanks.

 

[BritsKate]

I suppose anything is possible. I do believe that this was premeditated and that she came in the middle of the night SPECIFICALLY to murder him.

I believe the account of when and how Jodi arrived at Travis' house came from her - specifically her 48 Hours interview. It's not available to verify though. FWIW

BBM

Sometimes they can become obsessed with one person and they werent that way before or after in other relationships.

The reason I say this my ex-husband was a jealous obsessed fanatic during our marriage even though I never gave him one reason to be. He had been married before and had other girlfriend relationships before we married. He was not jealous of them in the least nor is he jealous of his present girlfriend.

Why he became that way with me still remains a mystery to me somewhat.

IMO

Me too! Me too! My ex was married before me and while it obviously ended in divorce there was no abuse at all. Past behavior just isn't always an indicator of future violence.

 

[SDT]

Travis was the victim of a murder, but he wasn't a victim of a relationship. He decided to keep seeing/interacting with/and having sex with Jodi Arias after he decided to stop and told her to stay away from him. She wasn't forcing him to do *those* things (like have sex). Entice him? Yes of course. But he was an adult who could make decisions. She did illegal things (slash his tires, break into his house) and he didn't report it to the police, didn't change his locks, didn't change the PINs on his bank account or garage, didn't change his online accounts. Those things (lack of action) were his responses.

For whatever reason he was not in fear and he didn't want to involve the police to make it stop. That's on Travis. He could have attempted several things to get things to stop. He didn't.

He's not responsible for his own death, but he is responsible for his own dealings with this unstable/obsessive woman. He couldn't control *her* but he was in charge of himself and he decided to keep seeing her regardless of how she got into his house/his bed/uninvited.

+1

My thoughts exactly, way more detailed and eloquent.

 

[SDT]

Had Jodi been to Cancun with Travis at all? That would be very interesting.

I wondered the same thing after I hit the "post" button. They did travel a lot!

 

[EGirl]

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