Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[MsCharlieChan]

This seems about right to me..... Maybe her plan A was to give it one last try…. Seduce him and hopefully he would see the light that she was the one for him. If that failed, then plan B was to kill him, if she couldn’t have him then nobody would have him……..It appears that there was more than a little anger at having plan A fail. When he didn’t fall for her plot she had everything in place to execute plan B. And wow, did she ever go ballistic…… A woman scorned.

Agree with you. Only thing is, I can tell that not being invited to join him for that all-expense-paid trip to Cancun was her trigger. I say it was this trip, not simply that he was seeing someone else because:

1. When things were beautiful between them, they traveled together a good deal. They were checking off destinations listed in the book "1,000 Places To See Before You Die." (Maybe they once discussed going together to Mexico?)

2. In her "48 Hours" interview, I closely watched Jodi's body language. She was cool as a cucumber the ENTIRE interview -- except toward the end, when TA's Cancun trip was brought up. This was the ONLY topic where Jodi acted slightly agitated.

3. Jodi told "48 Hours" she'd known about the trip for about a year, but never brought it up to him... So she goes and kills him the very day before he's supposed to leave for Cancun? The timing of this speaks volumes.

So IMO, Cancun seemed more the straw that broke the camel's back. Maybe Travis reneged on a "promise" about that trip, and she went to give him one last chance to make good. When she finally "confronted him like an adult" about her deep longing to still go on that trip as discussed, he didn't relent.

God only knows what he told her about the trip, or about the fact that she still expect to go (like an unrealistic fool). But whatever it was, it was the wrong answer in Jodi's mind.

 

[rmt]

At this time I take everything I have heard from JA and/or legal team with a big grain of salt.
How many of those 82,000 emails was actually from Travis and how many times did the couple hook up for sex? How does self defense work with dragging an incapacitated/dying man around?

I am interested in understanding the psychic (sp?) of someone like Jodie Arias. I see the photo of her as a teenager and she looks quite pretty in it. I heard on one of the TV shows that JA had a nose job and breast enlargement done. I have NO problem with anyone electing cosmetic surgery. That is their business. But with Jodi I am led to believe that she felt she could improve those areas. I wonder how insecure she was/is? Along the same lines I read a poster complimenting JA as an artist on her art work depicting hands but not so good on portraits. Is this because a psychopath doesn't relate to normal human emotions and getting the human expression, with includes some nuances of emotion, is hard for a psychopath to relate to and copy onto paper/canvas?

I agree, but since there are those naked pictures where each is posing provocatively tells me this recently former virgin was comfortable sexually with Jodi. That in addition to texts which he sent while they were apart....

 

[bobloblaw]

I feel your pain and JA's. There are plenty of us women who understand what drove Jodi over the edge. It was awful what she did, just horrendous -- but...

I hope this "Fatal Attraction" case sends a message loud and clear to men. What I find particularly a problem is guys (like Travis and your ex) who go around telling their friends that they have a stalker. Yet they're still intimate with you?!!

My point is, I think some guys LIKE telling their friends that a woman wants them too much. They think it makes them seem like a hot catch, a guy that other guys admire. It's a "bragging right" among competitive men. Like there's a prize for the Most Irresistible Man -- bonus point when there's a girl who acts kind of obsessed.

I've seen guys joke about this stuff. They're often flattered by so much attention and LOVE to tell people about it.

What's more, all of this attention from the woman really stokes their ego. And yes, they are often mean to these women, put them down, call them crazy, etc.

Yet, they keep stringing the woman along. Why? Because if they truly put their foot down, they won't feel as hot and "wanted." Plus, every now and then, he knows he'll need that "3-hole wonder" to satiate his sexual fire.

If any good can come from this case, I hope it convinces more men to stop chasing down girls, filling their heads with crap, and then toying with her emotions like a jerk once he changes his mind.

The fact that Jodi carried out antic after antic -- including allegedly even slashing his new girl's tires?!! And Travis never reported anything to the police -- possibly because he "needed" to remain sexual with her...?

Well, Jodi is going to he// for that brutal attack. But Travis was dancing in the he//fire, too.

As a man I find this type of discourse to be extremely offensive. He did nothing to deserve this anymore than a scantily clad woman deserves rape. Its ridiculous and victim blaming.

I don't care if he was having gay kinky sex with animals, he didn't deserve to be butchered.

 

[Davia18]

As a man I find this type of discourse to be extremely offensive. He did nothing to deserve this anymore than a scantily clad woman deserves rape. Its ridiculous and victim blaming.

I don't care if he was having gay kinky sex with animals, he didn't deserve to be butchered.

I agree with you.
I would like to add one thing, I see nothing wrong with a ppl having a sexual relationship only. Where the problem lies is both parties don't agree to the terms. At which point you end it if both not wanting the same things and are not on the same page.

I by any means am not supporting JA. If TA didn't want the same she did she should have found someone who did. JMO

 

[3trees]

Travis was the victim of a murder, but he wasn't a victim of a relationship. He decided to keep seeing/interacting with/and having sex with Jodi Arias after he decided to stop and told her to stay away from him. She wasn't forcing him to do *those* things (like have sex). Entice him? Yes of course. But he was an adult who could make decisions. She did illegal things (slash his tires, break into his house) and he didn't report it to the police, didn't change his locks, didn't change the PINs on his bank account or garage, didn't change his online accounts. Those things (lack of action) were his responses.

For whatever reason he was not in fear and he didn't want to involve the police to make it stop. That's on Travis. He could have attempted several things to get things to stop. He didn't.

He's not responsible for his own death, but he is responsible for his own dealings with this unstable/obsessive woman. He couldn't control *her* but he was in charge of himself and he decided to keep seeing her regardless of how she got into his house/his bed/uninvited.

I agree with you. In reading and watching what his friends have to say about the relationship they state that he wasn't afraid of her. When he broke up with her he used strong words in which one of his friends commented on by saying it was harsh and asking him if he wasn't afraid by speaking to her in such a manner and he said no. His one friend even stated that he believed that TA kept the ongoing relationship a secret because he knew his friends would be disappointed in him if they found out he was still dating her.
one of the friends interview with VP
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/01/10/alexanders-friend-he-kept-arias-secret

 

[Isabelle]

Listened to a pretty good portion of opening statements but need to continue later.

I nearly fell off the couch when I heard it said that Jodi was promoted to an "Event Planner" at the time she starting dating the man she lived with for a while. An Event Planner????!!!! She must have followed the CA case!

 

[KariKae]

Ever wonder why Jodi never "accidentally" got pregnant to force Travis to marry her?

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

'In her "48 Hours" interview, I closely watched Jodi's body language. She was cool as a cucumber the ENTIRE interview -- except toward the end, when TA's Cancun trip was brought up. This was the ONLY topic where Jodi acted slightly agitated.'

There was another time where Jodi looked like she was operating under a great deal of stress. On the Inside Edition TV interview she clasps her hands over her kneecaps as if she is steeling herself to be ready for the bravado lie when she declares her 'no jury will convict me blah, blah, blah. IMO Jodi has a death grip on her knees, almost looks like she'd like to rock herself back and forth but catches herself.

 

[MsCharlieChan]

As a man I find this type of discourse to be extremely offensive. He did nothing to deserve this anymore than a scantily clad woman deserves rape. Its ridiculous and victim blaming.

I don't care if he was having gay kinky sex with animals, he didn't deserve to be butchered.

I'm not saying he DESERVED what happened. But I will go to the mat arguing that he set himself up for trouble. He never even reported her to the police. That's a problem.

There's no way in HECK a guy I'm dating would have some nut coming to my house, knocking on my windows, slashing his tires at my house -- and we're not going to the police?! My man is supposed to protect ME, not this crazed girl.

And then come to find out there's evidence he's still having sex chats (and more) with this nut, after all of these repeated criminal incidents? That's foolish, selfish, naive, and asking for trouble. The result speaks for itself.

 

[jojomonkey]

I agree with you.
I would like to add one thing, I see nothing wrong with a ppl having a sexual relationship only. Where the problem lies is both parties don't agree to the terms. At which point you end it if both not wanting the same things and are not on the same page.

I by any means am not supporting JA. If TA didn't want the same she did she should have found someone who did. JMO

That would be expecting to her to behave like a rational adult which she isn't. It sounds like you're implying he lead her on. It didn't matter what he told her, she was obsessed with him and mentally unstable. She knew he was seeing someone else, how much clearer can it get that he doesn't want to be your boyfriend?

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Ever wonder why Jodi never "accidentally" got pregnant to force Travis to marry her?

He was a 30 year old man, so I'm sure he was well aware of how to avoid that. He probably insisted on using protection when they were intimate. Perhaps that may have crossed her mind though, it is one of the things a desperate woman will do to hang on to a relationship.

 

[kwmred]

Didn't Jodi record a phone sex conversation where it was discussed ...a lot ?


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Isn't it illegal to record a phone conversation without notifying the other party that you are doing so? I remember in another trial that a recorded conversation was not admissible for that reason.

 

[Sulamith]

Well I certainly dont. People that lead double lives dont tell their closest friends what is going on in their lives and that they have had sex with a woman who is now stalking them and slashing tires. He seemed to be very open to me and thank goodness he had many conversations about Jodi with those close to him and I expect some of the closest friends will testify to what they knew and what he told them.
IMO

One of Travis' close friends is Dave Hall and as we know has been giving interviews. Is one allowed to give interviews if one will be testifying? Maybe Hall won't be called to testify??

 

[jojomonkey]

I'm not saying he DESERVED what happened. But I will go to the mat arguing that he set himself up for trouble from a nut. He never even reported her to the police. That's a problem. She did stuff to his new girl's personal property.

There's no way in HECK a guy I'm dating would have some nut coming to my house, knocking on my windows, slashing his tires at my house -- and we're not going to the police?! My man is supposed to protect ME, not this crazed girl.

And then come to find out there's evidence he's still having sex chats with this nut, after all of these repeated criminal incidents? That's foolish, selfish, naive, and asking for trouble. The result speaks for itself.

I do agree the police should have been called on each of those incidents. I'm sure his friends advised him to as well.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

As a man I find this type of discourse to be extremely offensive. He did nothing to deserve this anymore than a scantily clad woman deserves rape. Its ridiculous and victim blaming.

I don't care if he was having gay kinky sex with animals, he didn't deserve to be butchered.

I am female and it's offensive to me. I have a problem with anyone of my sex blaming the man for misleading her and causing her to go loco. Come on ladies we have brains. I can read a guy pretty clearly if he is a player or someone who is a looking for a mate. We are adults and must be responsible for ourselves and one of those responsibilities is our refusal to let another person control/dictact our feelings and reactions.

 

[Isabelle]

Ever wonder why Jodi never "accidentally" got pregnant to force Travis to marry her?

Cause a woman can't get pregnant through the kind of sex that was proposed they had.

 

[3trees]

It's hard not to think of a person, a victim of crime and especially a crime as brutal as this one as flawless. To many times we tend to make the person an angelic perfect being when in fact they are human beings with all the good, bad and the ugly that goes along with it. TA seemed to me better than most. Anything I have ever read or seen about him makes me sad that I did not know him. If we are here to discuss truthfully our views on when, why, how and who and to get to perhaps some real insights we have to be honest about all, the good and the bad or should I say the human.
It is not betraying his memory by being honest about his flaws. At least I don't think so.

 

[popsicle]

I find Travis no different than anyone else who finds themselves in an abusive dangerous relationship. Gender is no issue for me for I know men go through the same hell and fear that females do.

I dont see how anyone can say with any certainty that Travis wasnt afraid. He would certainly not be the first man nor woman in the same situation that did things just to appease the abuser hoping eventually they would just go away and leave them the hell alone.

Only 10% of abuse victims report incidents to the police so I dont fault Travis for not reporting them when there are millions just like him that dont report either. Often those in abusive relationships..the one being abused thinks reporting will only make the abuse worse and the obsessive abuser.. angrier. I know that for a fact because I too was one of them at one time.

IMO

Jumping off your line of thought

Looking at all the pictures and videos of Travis I have noticed that when he died he was at his heaviest weight ever. On TV this morning they showed a picture that his friend said was the last picture ever taken of him. He was bigger than in any others I have seen, I also had never seen this one before. He was in biking shorts and standing with a bike apparently on a bike ride with friends.

I have no doubt in my mind that the stress related to dealing with JA attributed to this. It has been shown in studies and we all know that stress does cause this. just my thoughts

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

I agree, but since there are those naked pictures where each is posing provocatively tells me this recently former virgin was comfortable sexually with Jodi. That in addition to texts which he sent while they were apart....

Just like the last photo shot of Travis in the shower people are seeing different things in his expression. While I don't want to see the naked shots (well 99% of me doesn't want to) for the sake of this debate I would have to see his facial expression, how tense his body is etc before I comment on how at ease he looked during the shots. I would also keep in mind, regardless, that he believed the shots would be erased later on, that I believe. Same thing on texts, let's be able to read the content before judging.

 

[ladonna]

Linda~ I am really surprised KY was even needed with a <person> like her.
UNLESS... she was using it on TA & ick
I can't go there out of respect for TA.

I found this yearbook pic. I was out of commission all day yesterday
so my apologies if this is a duplicate picture.

it was already posted, oh well in case anyone missed it...COLOR]

But Jodi didn't graduate, she got her GED while in jail.