Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[Linda7NJ]

Add these to the list:
Karla Faye Tucker
Andrea Yates

Andrea Yates is a psychopath? I don't think so.

 

[Nana46]

Add these to the list:
Karla Faye Tucker
Andrea Yates

Welcome to WS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Madeleine74]

Juries are usually shown autopsy photos. This is in addition to crime scene photos. There's no good way for a medical examiner to testify about the injuries noted if they don't show at least some photos so they can point out what they're testifying to. Not sure why folks are worried a jury won't see autopsy photos. They are generally a standard part of a murder trial. These jurors did see photos from the autopsy. We saw some of those photos as well (ones of T.A's hands and legs were shown on screen).

 

[norest4thewicked]

Add these to the list:
Karla Faye Tucker
Andrea Yates

Welcome to Websleuths, misskrissy!

I might disagree with Andrea Yates. I think that she was severely mentally ill.

:welcome:

 

[PrincessSezMe]

There are more males than females.

It is estimated that approximately 1% of the male population in general are psychopaths. 15 - 20% of the prison population are psychopathic. More men are psychopaths than women.

Snipped from an FBI News Bulletin http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p...portant-forensic-concept-for-the-21st-century.

 

[Nana46]

Juries are usually shown autopsy photos. This is in addition to crime scene photos. There's no good way for a medical examiner to testify about the injuries noted if they don't show at least some photos so they can point out what they're testifying to. Not sure why folks are worried a jury won't see autopsy photos. They are generally a standard part of a murder trial. These jurors did see photos from the autopsy. We saw some of those photos as well (ones of T.A's hands and legs were shown on screen).

I agree....but those of his hands and legs were horrible of course....it is just more horrendous to see the actual stab wounds, etc.....I think that could really help a jury see the rage that apparently went in to this killing...just over and over and then a gun shot.

 

[borndem]

Would like to see a timeline of sorts or chart that compares what Jodi says to what is know to be true.

Anybody got a 3 x 5 index card?

(Isabelle, this was in no way spoofing at you, my friend.)

 

[Nana46]

Anybody got a 3 x 5 index card?

(Isabelle, this was in no way spoofing at you, my friend.)

How about a tiny post it note instead.:blushing:

 

[miss.krissy]

Welcome to Websleuths, misskrissy!

Thank you! I have been reading about this case nonstop since my friend told me to watch Nancy Grace's show regarding the trial.

I might disagree with Andrea Yates. I think that she was severely mentally ill.

:welcome:

Yeah, true.

 

[miss.krissy]

Anybody got a 3 x 5 index card?

(Isabelle, this was in no way spoofing at you, my friend.)

This is a good timeline I found:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/jodi-arias-timeline_n_2387245.html

 

[LotusPawprint]

"Brutalized beyond imagination?"

I wish someone would define a first degree murder that isn't "cruel, heinous, awful" or whatever adjectives one chooses to use. To me they are ALL terrible and cruel and heinous and yet the death penalty is not given to all perpetrators of first degree murder.

She might be sentenced to death or she might not be. Susan Wright, who stabbed her husband 200 times after tying him to the bed and pouring hot candle wax over him was given 25 years to life in prison, with no DP on the table. 200 stab wounds is something I consider "brutalized beyond imagination." Petit family kidnap/brutalized for hours/tied to beds/forced to go to bank and get $$$$/then sexually assaulted/ burned alive....that's "brutalized beyond imagination."

I'm sorry if my chosen words describing Travis' murder aren't sitting well universally. I'm not here to compare, contrast, and rank crimes. I was commenting specifically on the brutality of what was done to Travis by Jodi and somehow the wording became an issue to be critiqued.
I appreciate citing other crimes that are apparently more deserving of the description of "brutalized beyond imagination" but again, I was focused on this crime, this trial, this thread - which I personally think is horrific enough.


And I'd really like to agree to disagree and move on, thanks so much.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Add these to the list:
Karla Faye Tucker
Andrea Yates

I believe Karla Faye Tucker fell prey to drug addiction and a criminal lifestyle, but I don't believe she was a psychopath. I actually felt for her when I read her story. I think she turned her life around in prison (and yes I know they say it all the time), but it was too late for her to take back what she'd done.

Andrea Yates was mentally unbalanced. No comparison there at all with JA. She suffered from postpartum psychosis, and the lack of support for her sickness that she needed. I don't mean to speak ill of her husband, who lost all of his children in the most brutal way imaginable, but she needed help and should never have been left alone with those children.

I do agree with some on the list though. I wonder if Karla Homolka's current husband ever has to look over his shoulder. Will she ever kill again? How could you murder your own little sister and lah de dah blow it off like nothing really happened. And then go out and do it all over again with two other innocent young girls? She claimed abuse, and he abused her alright, but I firmly believe she could have walked away from him if she had wanted to. She didn't because she enjoyed it. Sick.

 

[Madeleine74]

I agree....but those of his hands and legs were horrible of course....it is just more horrendous to see the actual stab wounds, etc.....I think that could really help a jury see the rage that apparently went in to this killing...just over and over and then a gun shot.

Nana, the Arias jury saw the horrendous ones of his neck and back and head where he was shot. There is no way they could fail to notice the brutality. FYI, every jury in a murder trial sees gruesome pictures from the victim(s) autopsy (and crime scene). Not to worry, they are not kept in the dark about the details of the murder and the cruelty of it.

 

[StephanieW]

They did show many more autopsy photos to the jury .. The court camera was focused on Jodi hiding behind her hair and "crying" or the ME speaking ...never the projector screen thing or computer monitors when the wounds to his neck / back and chest were being explained to the jury ( you could tell by the prosecutors questions/ ME answers and Jodi peeking they were looking at photos that were not being shown for good reason ) ... Nobody outside of that court room was soposed to see them ...... MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

It is estimated that approximately 1% of the male population in general are psychopaths. 15 - 20% of the prison population are psychopathic. More men are psychopaths than women.

Snipped from an FBI News Bulletin http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p...portant-forensic-concept-for-the-21st-century.

Thank you.

In case you haven't read the entire thread, I wanted to extend my appreciation for your links. I am too lazy to provide them or get verified, instead, I choose to use IMO. It's a rare occasion when I provide a link. In my experience, the people that should read them, never do and I grew tired of posting them

 

[Linda7NJ]

I believe Karla Faye Tucker fell prey to drug addiction and a criminal lifestyle, but I don't believe she was a psychopath. I actually felt for her when I read her story. I think she turned her life around in prison (and yes I know they say it all the time), but it was too late for her to take back what she'd done.

Andrea Yates was mentally unbalanced. No comparison there at all with JA. She suffered from postpartum psychosis, and the lack of support for her sickness that she needed. I don't mean to speak ill of her husband, who lost all of his children in the most brutal way imaginable, but she needed help and should never have been left alone with those children.

I do agree with some on the list though. I wonder if Karla Homolka's current husband ever has to look over his shoulder. Will she ever kill again? How could you murder your own little sister and lah de dah blow it off like nothing really happened. And then go out and do it all over again with two other innocent young girls? She claimed abuse, and he abused her alright, but I firmly believe she could have walked away from him if she had wanted to. She didn't because she enjoyed it. Sick.

I read Karla changed her name, married and has children...running scared!

 

[kkdj]

Nana, the Arias jury saw the horrendous ones of his neck and back and head where he was shot. There is no way they could fail to notice the brutality. FYI, every jury in a murder trial sees gruesome pictures from the victim(s) autopsy (and crime scene). Not to worry, they are not kept in the dark about the details of the murder and the cruelty of it.

Good! I have no doubt she will be convicted! To me, any thought of self defense went right out the window when I saw those pics! I mean c'mon! When would self defense had ended and murder begun? This was definitely overkill! No self defense! Nope! Not for one second!
Imo

 

[Nana46]

They did show many more autopsy photos to the jury .. The court camera was focused on Jodi hiding behind her hair and "crying" or the ME speaking ...never the projector screen thing or computer monitors when the wounds to his neck / back and chest were being explained to the jury ( you could tell by the prosecutors questions/ ME answers and Jodi peeking they were looking at photos that were not being shown for good reason ) ... Nobody outside of that court room was soposed to see them ...... MOO

About to be storming here so may miss your answer and thanks for your info! My worry is since she is able to view the computer monitor when the photos are shown, and the jury of course sees the photos....so do the people who are in the courtroom able to see these as well? The folks directly behind the attorneys,etc.
I have been on a few juries but managed not to be on a murder trial...I was chosen but I knew the victim's family so managed to scoot out of that one.

 

[iluvmua]

Interesting comments over at The State vs. Jodi Arias.

TSvJA asked people for comments if they knew Jodi prior to being arrested.

someone posted Anon that Jodi's father does not support her at all and that he has stage 4 cancer and has not taken any of her calls nor flow out to see her.

Another Anon posted that Jodi would make her own alcohol in Jr. High and would drink frequently, even during school and would also smoke pot on campus near teachers and staff.

https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis

 

[Pensfan]

IMO, Andrea Yates should be taken off our "unofficial female psychopath list". She was psychotic, but not psychopathic.

Andrea was diagnosed by numerous psychiatrists as suffering with Postpartum Depression with psychotic features. She had also been diagnosed (before drowning her children) as schizophrenic. She was, sadly, non-compliant with her prescribed antipsychotic meds.

If she had taken her meds, her mental status had been monitored by her loved ones, and she was checked regularly by her physician for signs depression and/or psychosis (history of both), she wouldn't have killed her children, IMO.