Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[PrincessSezMe]

I think it's been established that the ceiling shot happened after the dragging shot?

I have not heard this. From what I understand the dragging photo was the last photo on the camera. If you have info otherwise I would be interested to see it.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Time for bed for me. See everyone tomorrow :sleep:

 

[christee]

I didn't know there was more than 1 piece of carpet cut out for evidence(the piece with the large bloodstain). Maybe a piece from around the closet area was also cut out at least it looks like it's from around the door of the closet.
And maybe I've looked at too many pics. :sigh:

 

[ErnestBorgnine]

I have not heard this. From what I understand the dragging photo was the last photo on the camera. If you have info otherwise I would be interested to see it.

I just went back and looked at an earlier post. It appears the ceiling picture came first, but it's been reported as coming after the dragging photo somewhere on the web. I know because I was surprised. Might be worth double checking.

 

[gngr~snap]

I wonder if TA didn't report all the stalkerish, malicious things JA did because of the sexual relationship they had. That this would then become a recorded document on something he wanted to remain a secret.
I too wondered about the pigtails only in the fact that her defense brought the recorded phone sex.
PIGTAILS!
From defense:
And then, when Jodi pretends to climax during this phone call, Travis tells her that she sounds like a 12-year-old girl who was having an orgasm for the first time. And then he tells her, "It`s so hot."
I'd have to hear the tape, but I still think my opinion would stay the same. She sounded ridiculous. He knew she was faking it. He was saying that tongue in cheek!
I said I was nervous about the pigtails because of it seemed this was the way they were going in their blaming the victim defense.
PIGTAILS!
As far as a death penalty case? This is one and she deserves this sentence. She actually deserves the old Russian version where after the judge declares it they remove you from the court room and carry out the sentence in a room down the hall.

I think that's very, very possible. So much of Travis' life was wrapped up around his faith I think it could have destroyed him.
Sadly she did destroy him.
Does anyone else find it odd that that's the phone call she opted to record? (Maybe there are others and I don't know about it?:waitasec
No, I have a "feeling" she had threatened to "out" him publicly over the internet and was building her library of letters, texts, pretend phone sex etc...
I too believe Jodi wants to portray Travis as a pedophile or sexual deviant even further evidenced by attempting to have those forged letters entered into evidence.
How could he have even be portrayed as a pedophile? Jodi was WELL past being a "little girl" and he had NO intention of being her sugar "daddy"
August 16, 2011 – A request to admit letters that Arias claimed to receive from Alexander prior to his death was denied. In the letters, Alexander allegedly admitted to being a pedophile. Prosecutor Juan Martinez told the court that the letters were tested and found to be forgeries. After the ruling, Arias told Judge Stephens that she was "over her head." The judge then reinstated her defense counsel.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/jodi-arias-timeline_n_2387245.html

BBM


Recording phone calls is creepy. I wonder how many she did record and when that all started as far as their relationship went. I am thinking she recorded calls because she was in blackmail mode. Again...who does stuff like that?
That is the BIG question isn't it?
IMO JA answered that on her myspace.
PIGTAILS were nothing new for her!

Geez , I am SO far behind!
My comments in red. :furious:

"A picture is worth a thousand words"

http://www.myspace.com/jodiarias/photos/22152732#{"ImageId":22152732}

"Braids (but I'm not a blondie anymore, nope!)"

No you aren't Jodi. Why are you hiding your face? You are a premeditated heartless murderer!
Love the hat! I have no question about what you are.

MOO

 

[christee]

Link to previous post about the "ceiling shot"...

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #2

 

[christee]

gngr...
I just looked at the pics on that MS link and I'd not seen #6 before...the one labeled "The coveted ring".
Just thought that was interesting.

 

[gngr~snap]

gngr...
I just looked at the pics on that MS link and I'd not seen #6 before...the one labeled "The coveted ring".
Just thought that was interesting.

:seeya:

She makes me ullhair:

I :curses: and :rant:

better :hills:

That almost burns me up more than
"I'm not a "blondie" anymore!"

Nope she's a :jail:

Her arrogance annoys me! darn it!

 

[christee]

:seeya:

She makes me ullhair:

I :curses: and :rant:

better :hills:

That almost burns me up more than
"I'm not a "blondie" anymore!"

Nope she's a :jail:

Her arrogance annoys me! darn it!

I'm glad I could help you express your frustrations! :giggle:
And I agree :thumb:

 

[BritsKate]

I really hope we see more of the CVS and Walmart receipts. She stopped at those two stores on the way to see Travis. I think they'll answer a few of our questions. (Hair dye, KY, knife?)

I believe there are seeds of truth in Jodi's account (these are bolded). She was desperate, frantic and very, very angry. A man she'd spent nearly two years investing in continually rejected her. She'd changed her religion, she'd moved closer, she'd been nice to his friends, she'd given it her all - literally. I've always believed sex with Travis was really just a means of making him most vulnerable. According to Jodi he waited up for her and was on his computer when she arrived in the early morning...but maybe she didn't know he would be awake, or even hoped he wouldn't be. Perhaps her primary weapon was the knife and the gun was her backup weapon. She planned a stealth attack while he was sleeping.

When she finds he's awake she needs to come up with a different plan. She gives him the check for the car. (She may even have used said check as a way of making contact with him.) She apologizes for having hacked his accounts (or denies it so resolutely he believes her) and explains she did it just because she loves him and can't bear the thought of him being with someone else. She continues a psych assault of epic proportion. Insisting how wonderful he is, how she can't get over him, how she can be what he wants, and makes a million promises she has no intention of keeping. Travis was known by all his friends to always want to see/believe the best of others.

Travis finds himself wondering if he might not be wrong about her. How could this sweet girl, who'd done so much for him, want to hurt him? How could he believe she would violate his trust? She was beautiful...and he was attracted to her. Maybe, he thinks, just maybe it could work. Later that day he finds himself doubting again. (I believe just before his death the gravity of who Jodi was, or what she could do to his soul, was weighing on him.) Perhaps he tells her of his concerns. If so it would validate her worst fears - and her reason, I believe, for going there in the first place. He does tell her he has plans and needs to get a move on. She knows time is running out. And she knows he wants her out of his house - this might be her last chance before he leaves for Cancun. Mexico. Where she's dreamed of going. And he had the audacity to invite a platonic female friend over her. Eight minutes. Jodi has eight minutes while Travis is showering and she's snapping pics to finalize the details of her plan.

She does drop the camera - perhaps while she is reaching for the knife. (Ceiling shot) She'd brought her purse into the bathroom in anticipation of this. She believed it would be one well placed stab wound and that would be the end of it. Travis stumbles from the shower and grasps onto the sink. She frantically stabs at his back and head trying to get him to go down. Her rage is immeasurable. He crawls from the room desperately trying to get away from her - all the while she is still hacking away - her hands and feet both slipping in blood - causing cuts to her fingers. As she slips she steadies herself against the wall. Travis makes it to the door of his bedroom and collapses. Jodi straddles him and slashes his throat. She turns him over and drags him back to the bathroom.

She kicks or steps on the camera still lying on the floor. (Dragging shot.) She places Travis, bleeding profusely, in the shower. Travis is very likely dead but Jodi wants to make certain. She retrieves a pillow from his bed and uses it as a silencer. Maybe she even tries to fire more than once but the gun doesn't go off. She washes the body off to remove any traces of her DNA and cleanup commences.

The pillow, knife, and gun are all collected for disposal. She erases the pics from the camera believing them to be permanently deleted. She throws the camera in the washing machine with a healthy dose of bleach believing this will destroy DNA and fingerprints left on the camera. (I really don't get why she didn't take it with her other than believing there was nothing on it that could be traced back to her.) Obviously she didn't watch enough crime shows.

(My working theory so far. Sorry for the length! :blushing

ETA: Chanler: I am so, so glad to see you here! You sleuthers had this case impressively pegged years back. (I've been reading the old thread and wishing we had the insight of those who've followed it the whole way along. A sincere thank you!)

 

[Really?]

My god, are there any medications this female should have been taking to prevent this ? Maybe a SSRI ?:waitasec:

 

[Keebler]

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A boxer puppy! I have a 4 year old boxer...she is a lot of fun...you can see her as my avatar. You will love having a boxer.

 

[BritsKate]

My god, is there any medications this female should have been taking to prevent this ? Maybe a SSRI ?:waitasec:

Hubby has a mental health degree but sadly I do not. Mental disorders (PD especially) are categorized differently in the UK than the US too but after having ex diagnosed APD/NPD several years back I've done a lot of research myself.

APD is as close a medical diagnosis to psychopathy as one can get. APD is a cluster B personality disorder on axis II. There is no known cure and treatment is largely ineffective due in part to the nature of the disorder. (Most afflicted believe the problem lies with others and not themselves.)

The analogy I often use is cancer. Eventually cancer spreads through a human's body obliterating the healthy tissue. It becomes impossible to distinguish the cancer cells from healthy cells in a disordered person because it is so invasive, so pervasive that it becomes part of who they are. They themselves become cancerous. (JMO and I'm sure Linda, belimom, and pensfan are all much better educated and versed than myself.)

I obviously wouldn't hold a very impartial view. :moo:

 

[KMouse]

The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial I have posted a comment from Arias' aunt who claimed that NO-ONE in the family knew Travis was abusive. No-one knew. This is the same aunt who sits in court daily, her mother's twin sister. The post was forwarded to Mr Martinez by T's family in case any of these dimwits get on the stand and claim they saw bruises etc.

I <heart> that T's family passed this on. The MySpace photo of Jodi in braids should be sent too.

 

[KMouse]

She was also big into the "kinky sex keeps the guy" philosophy.

Well it did work for a while with Travis. She had the same m.o with the next guy Ryan Burns. Flirting, phone sex, "grinding". He obviously fell for it hook, line and sinker.

 

[BrownRice]

I wonder if any evidence will be presented to show us if TA knew she was coming that night. You would think there would be cell phone calls from her saying hey I'm an hour away or something like that. Regardless though, even if he didn't want her there, there are pictures of them in sexual poses, so he willingly let her in his house/bedroom.

 

[Tricksy]

I know a lot has been said on the threads about Jodi's supposed stalking of Travis and why he didn't report her when his tyres were slashed. With some posters thinking that he was using her for sex and others saying that he was a victim of abuse.

I read a lot about this case when it happened and for a year or two after his death, then didn't really read much about it again until the trial started. So I have been re-reading stuff I originally read in 2008.

I was reading Travis's blog again yesterday when he talks of his childhood and his mother's addiction to drugs. I believe it is entitled "Introduction to Raising You".

http://travisalexander.blogspot.co.uk/

1. It makes me desperately sad that someone who had suffered so much at a young age and managed to acheive so much, a man who should have had a great future, had it taken away from him in the most horrific way.

2. Now I am no psychologist here, but Travis had suffered abuse from his mother at an early age, that it seems from reading his blog, he just had to deal with. Furthermore, Children of addicts are often brought up to be fearful of the police. He himself says

The police were called that time along with many others, but I knew what had to be said and knew they would leave us to more of the same.

Could his earlier experiences have affected his choice on whether or not to involve the police?

The point I am trying to make here is that, does anyone think Travis's earlier experiences with his mother may have affected how Travis saw Jodi's behaviour?

I don't think that it was as cut and dried as he was using her for sex, if he were serious about getting rid of her he would have just called the police - as some people argue.

I think that when trying to understand why TA didn't just cut JA out of his life when she started stalking him, we have to consider his earlier experiences of abuse, perhaps that he believed that he could handle her? and also that he was attracted to her.

I may be going off on a tangent here, but I really think his childhood experiences need to be considered. I would be interested in hearing what other posters think?

 

[WhoaIsMe]

I'm sorry if my chosen words describing Travis' murder aren't sitting well universally. I'm not here to compare, contrast, and rank crimes. I was commenting specifically on the brutality of what was done to Travis by Jodi and somehow the wording became an issue to be critiqued.
I appreciate citing other crimes that are apparently more deserving of the description of "brutalized beyond imagination" but again, I was focused on this crime, this trial, this thread - which I personally think is horrific enough.


And I'd really like to agree to disagree and move on, thanks so much.

FWIW: I found your wording to be accurate, at least to my imagination. Admittedly, I have not spent years reading in depth on other horrible crimes. I came upon WS (and subsequently MDS) only a few months ago when reading Morgan Ingram's mom's blog. Somehow other cases keep getting my attention here. Mostly, it's like what I fear about seeing any of TA's worst wounds. Now that I have seen all of these people here, either missing or needing justice, I can't un-know it. Thus, I find myself checking on BW or LW everyday.

I hope I don't become jaded to a point where I ever find myself thinking "meh, that's not unimaginable. I've seen worse" when speaking of someone who was butchered in such a way as Travis has had done to him. I mean no disrespect to anyone who does feel that way. I do understand that repeated exposure to the same kinds of things makes one desensitized to it. It's just not how I want to be and has me contemplating whether it's a good thing for me to be so aware of horrors like this every single day.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Okay, I'm never gonna get caught up tonight and if I don't ask these questions now I'll probably forget.

This has bugged be all day at work. I've written Jodi off as a psychopath because it's unnerving to think that any person around me is capable of doing something this heinous BUT I keep hitting this wall: if Jodi is a psychopath and is incapable of feeling normal emotions like love, guilt, fear ( she is a really calm liar and called the detective herself) how can she feel rage? I get stuck there because I do see rage in the way she killed Travis. Is that possible in a psychopath, to feel some emotions but not others?

In the post I have read today I see some are bound and determined to shift at least some of the blame. Are all of them women? I ask because the post read that way. I can't imagine the same things being discussed if a man had done this to a woman, or less. I have even read post that appear to be trying to marginalize the crime "it's not the worst" or " not Bundy" and the like. Really? One post even compared the case with another one where the woman was free today and seemed to suggest that the DA's cases should have been argued in the same fashion as that one (don't recall the post or case sited) but seriously, WTH?

Why is it so much more interesting to try and figure out how TA royally screwed up by continuing to have sex with Jodi than to ponder why SHE slit his throat, stabbed him nearly 30 times and shot him in the face? Is it because she is a woman and some women feel a kinship with her because of the rejection? Or just because she's a woman? If that is the price of membership to the Sisterhood you can collect my card anytime. I'm wholly uninterested in identifying with someone just because we both have .

And yes, I've been there. Been lied to by one of the best liars. Cheated on. Rejected. Used. It happens. Most of us learn from it and grow. One of the best lessons is what kind of people to avoid and how you will NOT be treated, ever. I hold NO sympathy for this woman because we have shared similar experiences. None. I will give her no quarter.

One of these two people are really truly effed up and it isn't the one who is dead.

You took the words right out of my mind. Thank you.

I couldnt have expressed these same views as well as you have done.

I commend you and ITA!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I know a lot has been said on the threads about Jodi's supposed stalking of Travis and why he didn't report her when his tyres were slashed. With some posters thinking that he was using her for sex and others saying that he was a victim of abuse.

I read a lot about this case when it happened and for a year or two after his death, then didn't really read much about it again until the trial started. So I have been re-reading stuff I originally read in 2008.

I was reading Travis's blog again yesterday when he talks of his childhood and his mother's addiction to drugs. I believe it is entitled "Introduction to Raising You".

http://travisalexander.blogspot.co.uk/

1. It makes me desperately sad that someone who had suffered so much at a young age and managed to acheive so much, a man who should have had a great future, had it taken away from him in the most horrific way.

2. Now I am no psychologist here, but Travis had suffered abuse from his mother at an early age, that it seems from reading his blog, he just had to deal with. Furthermore, Children of addicts are often brought up to be fearful of the police. He himself says

Could his earlier experiences have affected his choice on whether or not to involve the police?

The point I am trying to make here is that, does anyone think Travis's earlier experiences with his mother may have affected how Travis saw Jodi's behaviour?

I don't think that it was as cut and dried as he was using her for sex, if he were serious about getting rid of her he would have just called the police - as some people argue.

I think that when trying to understand why TA didn't just cut JA out of his life when she started stalking him, we have to consider his earlier experiences of abuse, perhaps that he believed that he could handle her? and also that he was attracted to her.

I may be going off on a tangent here, but I really think his childhood experiences need to be considered. I would be interested in hearing what other posters think?

Possibly. He had already been grossly abused by a strong female figure in his young life so he may have been vulnerable when another came along to abuse him later on.

But I actually think what Travis did is what most DV victims do. They usually never report even when the danger and violence is esculating. That is the norm whether they are a man or a woman. Only around 10% of those in DV situation ever call the police.

And men are the least likely to report of the two groups anyway. I believe men are taught to handle their own problems when they arrise and they think reporting a dangerous female is a sign that they cant handle it themselves. They may also see it as a sign of weakness if they are males. Unfortunately a lot of men are taught to suck it up...work it out themselves, and go on.

IMO